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Rachel: Haha No Comment. MUSIC: Balkan jig Rachel: Welcome to the latest instalment of our Don't Drink the Milk travel bites — little tidbits and tangents from the journeys we went on and the rabbit holes we went down in Season 1. Basically, fun stuff to tide you over until Season 2 kicks in. I'm Rachel Stewart. And here with me is producer, Charli Shield. Charli: Hello! Rachel: Because today we're taking you all the way back to Season 1, Episode 1 — where we followed the journey of the standardized passport from its 19th century inception in Switzerland to its money-making era in North Macedonia. If you haven't listened to that episode already, pause this right now and do that. We'll wait! I feel like we revealed most of its secrets, didn't we? Charli: Well yeah, we certainly tried our best, we went full detective on the passport! So, we're not doing that again… Instead, we're gonna dig up a few fun facts from our journey to North Macedonia. Facts delivered by our very charming and very cheerful city tour guide Zoran, who you'll no doubt remember from the episode. Rachel: We love Zoran! Charli: He was such a gem. We joined his free city walking tour in the capital city, Skopje for a crash course in North Macedonia's history, culture, food, language… Rachel: And it's people. Charli: And he was a bit of a comedian. Rachel: Maybe we found it funnier because we'd only had like two hours sleep. Charli: Oh yeah, we arrived in Skopje at like 4 in the morning that day. Anyway, that was all 6 months ago, so I think it's time for a little refresher. So, I've prepared a little quiz of sorts for you today to test your North Macedonian general knowledge. Rachel: Ooooh! Charli: First question is the easiest one. How many people live in North Macedonia? Rachel: Oh no. Is it 2 million? Charli: Yes! Rachel: I feel like there was some sort of comparison, like fewer people live in North Macedonia than are currently incarcerated in the US or something? Zoran: We are around 2 million people. Right now, in United States according to official statistics, almost 2. Charli: Coming in with a quick fact check here. According to the latest statistics from March , the US actually has 1. So, still about the same size as the North Macedonian population, which is pretty wild. Ok, moving on to fact number two. This one is about something sweet, something dark and bubbly. Rachel: Haha. Charli: This something used to have a little bit of a Class A drug in it! But not any more. Rachel: A! Charli: Tell the listeners what you think it is. Rachel: Coca Cola. Charli: Correct. North Macedonia and Coca Cola, what could possibly be the connection? Rachel: I think he said that Skopje, the capital city, has the tastiest coca cola in the world. Or in Europe? Charli: In the world! Rachel: In the world! Yes, go big or go home. Zoran: Coca Cola is made in more than places in the world, including Skopje. Coca Cola headquarters checks them and chooses the best one. And the best on actually it's made in Skopje, Macedonia. If you don't trust me, go the the Coca Cola website and Google which is the best one in the world. Charli: So, Coca Cola announced that back in But clearly it was a big deal for the little Balkan country. And we did try some while we were there. Do you remember what you thought of it? Rachel: I don't think my palate is refined enough, so I thought it tasted like a tasty soda. Charli: Yeah, we have you on tape saying it tastes like coke. You heard it here first. Charli: I remember it wasn't a very spicy coke. It was kind of flat. Which apparently is tastier? Charli: Maybe. Ok, moving on. Later, as Zoran took us on the journey around the city, he pointed out something big and bold careering down the streets that would've looked familiar to many people on the tour, especially those from Britain — you! Any ideas? It was a double decker red bus! Charli: Exactly! Rachel: That was gifted from China, or came from China? No, it was originally gifted from the UK then they started getting cheaper versions from China. Something like that. Charli: Yeah, kind of. Zoran: We have double deckers, not because we want to be London, it's simply because we are nostalgic. Until the late s, we used to have proper wooden double decker buses in Skopje. And the locals fell in love with those double deckers, everyone wanted to take a ride in an English double decker. You know, they came from the forbidden world, the capitalistic countries, woohoo! But the local government they didn't want to see local people excited about something that came from the ugly capitalistic world. So, they decided, slowly and carefully, to remved those English double deckers from the streets. Around 15 years ago, there was a session in the city council, and they talked about renewing the buses for the public transport. So they've decided, you know what, we're going to renew our buses with double deckers again. But we cannot afford enough English double deckers today. Way over our budget. So we needed to find something cheaper. And you know what, when you look for something, you eventually find it. So, we bought our new double deckers from China. Charli: So, at this point in the tour, we move into the city center. The main square. Do you remember what it looked like? Rachel: It was a really wide open square. There was a big fountain in the middle. Which I remember you spent a long time getting some good atmospheric noise form. Charli: We didn't use any of that. Rachel: We definitely talked about the fact that there were just tons of really random looking statues that kind of all didn't seem to belong to each other. There was definitely a massive one which I think had Alexander the Great on top. There were definitely some communists. And some people from the Ottoman era, I think. Charli: Yeah, the statues were definitely the standout feature of the center. They were everywhere. Do you remember when Zoran said these statues were built? Rachel: I couldn't give you a date, but I think it was pretty recent. Because he was explainign how the confused nature of the identity of being then Macedonian or North Macedonian or all the different Charli: Exactly. It was about years ago that all of the statues were built. Rachel: Oh wow. Charli: So, super recent. Zoran: We never had an opportunity to acknowledge our heroes before. For 22 centuries rules by someone else. None of these guys were put on the spot because there was a space available. All of them did something important in the past Soud of street music Charli: Ok, last question. Real quick. What percentage of alcohol is Rakia, the local spirit we notably tried at the beginning of episode 1? Rachel: It's definitely really really really strong. We can attest to that. I feel like it sounded like it was so strong it shouldn't be legal. Charli: Oh my goodness. That would be deadly. Rachel: Oh, nothing! Charli: And what can it be used for apart from getting lit? Rachel: He definitely said something about cleaning. I don't know if it was his grandma or something, who used it to clean the sink. Zoran: We Balkan nations, we fight and argue for no reason, just because we are too bored. Rakia drinking. And we use it for everything. It's an appetizer, it's a welcoming drink. You have a headache, have a glass. You have digestion problems, one, maybe two glasses — ooh, I feel better already! My grandmother always used my grandfather's rakia to clean the house. Everything disinfected! Charli: That last one comes with no guarantee from us. MUSIC: Balkan jig Charli: So now we've come to the quickfire round of this travel bite, where we impart a few fun takeaways from our travels for the episode. First up, this one's the easy on. Best meal or new food we tried in North Macedonia. What do you say? Charli: Really? Rachel: Yeah! I loved it. Charli: That was the bean one? Rachel: Yeah, with big flat white beans in Charli: Tomato-y gravy. Rachel: We had it at that one place with bread and it was great. Charli: Lots of herbs as well I reckon. And that bread was delicious, fried, buttery. Rachel: Really good. Charli: What about a bonus shout-out for that meringue-like cookie we ate. Do you remember what it was called? Rachel: I really had it in my head it was called something like a parachute or a pillow. Charli: No, you're right, parachute! Rachel: But I tried to Google that when we came home and I couldn't find it. But it's acutally Turkish, I think, originally. But I've forgotten what it was actually called. Charli: It was this sort of meringue-y cookie. Rachel: A bit like a macaroon! Charli: Yeah, with some cream in the middle. A little sandwich. Meringue cookies sandwich. Rachel: So good. Charli: Delicious, life-changing. Quite unassuming, just a beige, flat biscuit. Rachel: Oh, it was delicious. Charli: What about a bonus bonus shoutout for the Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter ice cream at the ice cream parlor we passed? Rachel: Oh yes! With the really crazy flavors. Charli: They had Rachel: Red Bull! Charli: Red Bull. Rachel: TikTok flavor haha. Charli: And these really, really bright colors. It looked very inviting. Rachel: We didn't try it. Charli: No, we didn't. Big regrets! Good, that brings us to our next question. A place we'd have liked to see but didn't get to while in North Macedonia. Rachel: I think a place that we really were thinking we might go but didn't was that canyn that was just outside of Skopje. Charli: Matka Canyon? Rachel: Yes, that one. Quite a few people recommended it to us as a place you can go on a boat trip, really beautiful scenery and not far out of the city. So a lot of people did it for day trips. Charli: Question number three: a hidden treasure or surprise find from the trip. Rachel: I would say Vevcani. Charli: Oh yeah. That's in the episode. Rachel: It's in the episode, but I think it's a hidden treasure of our experience. As in, ok we didn't hide it because we put it in the episode, but I think it's off the beaten track! And we even almost didn't go, but we were like no, we're gonna do it, spend the time going quite far in the car south. We spent a whole day going there and back. It was definitely worth it. Charli: Well, we got a new passport! Rachel: Yeah, right! Highly recommended. Now we come to the language tips. This will be fun. Not for the Macedonians listening to us try and pronounce these words. Rachel: Yeah. Charli: Do you remember any of the following: Hello, goodbye, thank you, can I please have some rakia? Rachel: Hello, I remember realizing quite quickly that there was a version of good day that was verysimilar to some other countries roughly in the vicinity. And I think the North Macedonia version was something like 'dobar den. Now I'm thinking it's something like Strava, the running app — 'zdravvvv Rachel: Yeah, if you know one language in that region of Europe, then you quite often could guess some other words when you cross the border into other countries. Charli: What about guessing how to say thank you? Rachel: could you give me a clue? Charli: We said it all the time. Rachel: That's not a clue! Charli: We figured out how to say an easier alternative. Starting with f. Rachel: 'Fala! Ok, hello, thank you, goodbye? Rachel: Clue. Charli: Similar to hello. The same first letter. Rachel: Z? I can only think of cheers. Charli: What's cheers? Rachel: I can hear your voice saying that in my head. Charli: Okay, it's 'zbogum. The good thing is that in Europe you can just say 'ciao' everywhere. Chari: 'Ciao! Latest videos Latest audio. Latest audio Latest videos. In focus. Charli: I hope you have a good memory. I think you do. Skip next section Explore more Explore more Passports: Freedom for sale. Passports: Freedom for sale The little booklets we use to cross borders and take a vacation abroad didn't always exist. So where did they come from? Stories of privilege, control and belonging are hidden in the watermarked pages of our passports. Our travels take us to a little country with a complicated past, where we find some unexpected pieces of the puzzle — from citizenship to micronations to cold hard cash. Listen wherever you get your podcasts pod. We're also on YouTube! About the show. Don't Drink the Milk. Go to show Don't Drink the Milk.

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