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Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
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The *MIGHTY* (yet modest) Two Tub Man
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On Fri, 12 Dec 1997 13:02:49 -0800, "Henry E. Buurman" < he...@pacifier.com > wrote:
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K. Rasch wrote: > > My thoughts exactly Melissa. This criminal couple has been discussed > plenty in this ng, as well as others devoted to Karla specfically. All > of us who care to have read all the books related to these losers and > don't need the more horrific portions (reprinted WITHOUT permission) > here on the ng. > > Of course, this is just my .02 ....
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Two Tub Man wrote: > Ignore K. Rasch. He/she/it is just not representative of this group. > I don't understand why anyone would complain about a Karla post when > there are hundreds of crap JonBenet posts every day (it's month 13).
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K. Rasch wrote: > > Henry... > > I gather from your response, the perhaps I sounded a little harsh, and > that was not my intention... please accept my apology. >
> However, given the name of this newsgroup, I would expect that Karla has > been discussed as well as Pam Smart, Rosemary West (is that her name, it > is so early in the am), Richard Ramirez (back in the news cuz of the A&E > special), the Zodiac killer and on and on.... >
> While I encourage you to share whatever, God knows... I am not the > "leader" of the group (heck, I usually just comment as opposed to > contribute :-( )...I would suggest a quick look at Deja News to > understand the dynamics of the group and what has been discussed so that > you can add to it, as well as try to understand our fellow poster > Joe10rbit, which newcomers to the newsgroup ALWAYS have questions > about... > > Welcome to the newsgroup... and again, sorry about the "tone" of the > previous post.... >
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Martha Sprowles wrote: > > I have to admit that I'm glad that excerpt was posted. I'm only dimly > aware of this case, and I was glad to read something that gave me such a > good concentration of the "flavor" of these crimes. I think the > excerpt, although distressing to many, apparently, was an important > statement about the motivation and "pay-off" for these crimes.
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Melissa wrote: > > Henry, there is plenty of room, and patience, for a fresh viewpoint. If > you had started your thread with these questions, as opposed to the > extract, you may have found more of both. No one minds reopening old > threads, but many of us are wary of the importation of salacious and > violent material into the ng in a gratuitous manner, and will comment > accordingly. That's discussion. By starting the thread with the material > you chose, it seems to me you may have unwittingly compromised the > discussion, not anyone else. But these are interesting questions, and > maybe we can move on.
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> Incidently, do you (or anyone else) know if Karla was paroled last > summer? Under the terms of her plea bargain, she was due, and I wonder > if she walks among us again. >
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
> >K. Rasch wrote: >> >> Henry... >> >> I gather from your response, the perhaps I sounded a little harsh, and >> that was not my intention... please accept my apology. >>
>> However, given the name of this newsgroup, I would expect that Karla has >> been discussed as well as Pam Smart, Rosemary West (is that her name, it >> is so early in the am), Richard Ramirez (back in the news cuz of the A&E >> special), the Zodiac killer and on and on.... >>
>> While I encourage you to share whatever, God knows... I am not the >> "leader" of the group (heck, I usually just comment as opposed to >> contribute :-( )...I would suggest a quick look at Deja News to >> understand the dynamics of the group and what has been discussed so that >> you can add to it, as well as try to understand our fellow poster >> Joe10rbit, which newcomers to the newsgroup ALWAYS have questions >> about... >> >> Welcome to the newsgroup... and again, sorry about the "tone" of the >> previous post.... >> >
>I have to admit that I'm glad that excerpt was posted. I'm only dimly >aware of this case, and I was glad to read something that gave me such a >good concentration of the "flavor" of these crimes. I think the >excerpt, although distressing to many, apparently, was an important >statement about the motivation and "pay-off" for these crimes. >
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY >From: Martha Sprowles < spro...@erols.com >
> >Henry E. Buurman wrote: >> >> Martha Sprowles wrote: >> >
>> > I have to admit that I'm glad that excerpt was posted. I'm only dimly >> > aware of this case, and I was glad to read something that gave me such a >> > good concentration of the "flavor" of these crimes. I think the >> > excerpt, although distressing to many, apparently, was an important >> > statement about the motivation and "pay-off" for these crimes. >>
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
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>>Mignarda wrote: >> >>>Just my two cents' worth--if everything on this newsgroup has to be >>bowdlerized >>>for family consumption then in my opinion its virtually worthless as a forum >>>for discussing the issues of crime. >> >>No one is suggesting that post be "bowdlerised," Mignarda. However, when >>a poster specifically *asks* for a response to a post which enumerates >>graphic sexual detail, including repulsive allusions to sexual violence, >>it does not seem inappropriate to ask why they have done that, which is >>exactly what I did. I do not know who this poster is, but I question >>their sense of the appropriate use of this material. Like you, Mignarda, >>I have posted here for years, and I have read stuff about sexual violence >>that is disturbing without qualms: I am not some uptight prissy censor who >>is challenging the rights of others. All of us make decision about what >>we deem appropriate to air here -- why should this poster not be subject >>to the same scrutiny? >> >>Irritated, >> >>Melissa >
>***How about because of their right to free speech? You argue SL's right to >that, why not Henry's? I'd rather read and discuss his topic than SL/DR any >day. Btw, I thought in your eyes, if people deem something not appropriate to >be posted here, that was censorship? And he is, after all, talking about a true >crime. ehat coulbe be *more* appropriate? >Mary Ann
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On Sun, 14 Dec 1997 18:34:09 -0800, "Henry E. Buurman" < he...@pacifier.com > wrote:
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> >On the other hand, Paul Bernardo is in a cage very much like the one > >inhabited by Hannibel Lector in "The Silence of the Lambs" only > >smaller. It's an isolation cell with bullet-proof plexiglas over > >the bars, with some holes drilled in it. His cell contains video
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>K. Rasch wrote: >> >> Henry... >> >> I gather from your response, the perhaps I sounded a little harsh, and >> that was not my intention... please accept my apology. >> >> However, given the name of this newsgroup, I would expect that Karla has >> been discussed as well as Pam Smart, Rosemary West (is that her name, it >> is so early in the am), Richard Ramirez (back in the news cuz of the A&E >> special), the Zodiac killer and on and on.... >> >> While I encourage you to share whatever, God knows... I am not the >> "leader" of the group (heck, I usually just comment as opposed to >> contribute :-( )...I would suggest a quick look at Deja News to >> understand the dynamics of the group and what has been discussed so that >> you can add to it, as well as try to understand our fellow poster >> Joe10rbit, which newcomers to the newsgroup ALWAYS have questions >> about... >> >> Welcome to the newsgroup... and again, sorry about the "tone" of the >> previous post.... >> >
>I have to admit that I'm glad that excerpt was posted. I'm only dimly >aware of this case, and I was glad to read something that gave me such a >good concentration of the "flavor" of these crimes. I think the >excerpt, although distressing to many, apparently, was an important >statement about the motivation and "pay-off" for these crimes. >
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>Hey! > >What's the big deal about something graphic being posted? Sheesh! We all read >these books with hundreds of half disguised photos of murder victims, listen >to >the tortured tales of survivors of these monsters and read thousands of gory >descriptions. I wasn't offended at all by the post. > >I have read two books about this case, each one only alluding to the video >tapes, so it was interesting and informative to have the description posted. >
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> >>Hey! >> >>What's the big deal about something graphic being posted? Sheesh! We all >read >>these books with hundreds of half disguised photos of murder victims, listen >to >>the tortured tales of survivors of these monsters and read thousands of gory >>descriptions. I wasn't offended at all by the post. >> >>I have read two books about this case, each one only alluding to the video >>tapes, so it was interesting and informative to have the description posted. > >
>Henry asked for a comment -- I gave him one. I do not think the excerpt >gave any sense of the questions he now apparently wants to pose. I do not >accept that there are not good questions to be asked about the choices we >make re the material we post. I think that the motives for these >questions are self-evident, and not simply accountable for by hypocritical >prurience. I do not understand why you respond in this way, Captive.
>Melissa > * > New address: melissa...@english.usyd.edu.au
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>>Henry asked for a comment -- I gave him one. I do not think the excerpt >>gave any sense of the questions he now apparently wants to pose. I do not >>accept that there are not good questions to be asked about the choices we >>make re the material we post. I think that the motives for these >>questions are self-evident, and not simply accountable for by hypocritical >>prurience. I do not understand why you respond in this way, Captive. >>Melissa >
>***I do, because I agree with Captive; we *do* all read these books and >killing, serial or otherwise, *is* graphic. I also think Henrys' questions >totally pertain to that excerpt. Would you feel differently if he had asked >the >questions at the same time he posted the excerpt? I think you're making too >big >a deal out of his posting of the excerpt - IMO of course :>
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
> >Patty wrote: > >>Henry, >> >>Welcome. FWIW, I found your original post horrifyingly graphic, but read >>every >>word with interest. I (being the *liberal* type...), had been considering >>Karla's poor position in the whole situation... the abused one and all. > > >First, a question: I'm not sure what you mean by the "liberal" type -- do you >mean liberal in terms of your tolerance for what is posted here? > >Second, there is nothing in that excerpt that sheds any light on Karla in >terms >of her "willingness" (for lack of a better word) to be involved in those >crimes >or her level of culpability. The video was obviously a theatrical production >and, out of context, we don't have a clue as to the circumstances under which >it was produced. To that extent, the except was nothing more than gratuitous >pornography posted here under the self-justifying guise of being "useful" >material to true crime fans. > >Halle
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
> >Henry: > >>>We're all adults here, right? (: >>> >>>Henry > >Mary Ann: > >>Hi Henry, >>When you get to know us more, you may change your mind about that 'adults' >>comment Just kidding :> > >Meaning? >Melissa
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>Subject: Re: Karla Homolka: Sex, Murder and Video Tape--ADULTS ONLY
>> >> Melissa wrote: >> >> > >> >Henry: >> > >> >>>We're all adults here, right? (: >> >>> >> >>>Henry >> > >> >Mary Ann: >> > >> >>Hi Henry, >> >>When you get to know us more, you may change your mi
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