Interview with Andrey Derkach. New details of corruption ties between the USA and Ukraine. Part 1

Below you can read the text version of the interview. Interviewer - American journalist and presenter Simona Mangiante:

I am glad to see you today, and mainly after the sad news about the assassination attempt on you in Ukraine, as well as against the backdrop of news about your persecution in the United States and Ukraine. Thank God, I see you in a good mood and in great shape. The last time we met was in 2021 in Kiev. But today I would like to start talking about you before talking about Ukraine. Why don't we meet in Kiev? Why are we here?

First of all, I thank you for your attention to the issues and stories related to Ukraine that are receiving much attention in public life in the United States today. As you have noticed, since 2021, our words have been confirmed by Congressional investigations into Biden family corruption in Ukraine. Naturally, when we started doing this, we realized that we would face various attacks, including threats related to physical security. We became aware of the latter in 2021 with the help of officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. We identified the persons who were supposed to commit an attempt on me and the head of the group of prosecutors in the Burisma case, Konstantin Kulik.

Intelligence officers were identified, and in the case initiated by the police, I was recognized as a victim along with Kulik. Those who were supposed to carry out the assassination attempt were found, as well as the base in Transcarpathia where the killers were located - they were immigrants from Eastern Europe. And the direct executor had to be an Albanian. Unfortunately, there was a leak of information, and these people were able to leave the territory of Ukraine with impunity. All documents and photographs are in the criminal case materials, which, I hope, were not destroyed.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RNLLU16BHJeJq39OMfX1h9YvnMoEa5Wx/view

Now your question is why we don’t meet in Kiev. On January 19, 2022, US Secretary of State Mr. Blinken arrived in Ukraine to meet with Zelensky. Quite a lot of people were present at this meeting - at least 14 participants. At that meeting, Mr. Blinken told Zelensky the following: “You urgently need to resolve the Derkach issue.” Zelensky began to talk about some opposition figures. Blinken countered: “If you don’t resolve the Derkach issue, we will resolve it ourselves with our partners.” Those who were at the meeting were impressed, because it was a rather harsh position of the US Secretary of State, just imagine - the task of the President of Ukraine is to resolve the Derkach issue.

Naturally, there were people who came to me and told me about it. They said: “You will not be treated according to the law, urgently resolve the issue of your safety.” If the US Secretary of State himself threatens to resolve your issue through illegal means, of course, you take action. There are witnesses to this statement by Blinken - quite a few of them. Let Blinken put his hand on the Torah or the Bible and say he didn't say that.

Is it true that in fact, to most Western audiences, you are portrayed as a Kremlin agent mainly due to your studies in the FSB? Is it also true that everyone who exposes the Biden family's corruption in Ukraine is a Russian agent, and every confidential piece of information against the Biden family is called Russian propaganda? So, our main goal is to give you a voice to explain who you are and what your role is in exposing corruption and how you became a target not only in the United States, but also in your own country. In fact, you were betrayed by Ukraine. I think it's very interesting to hear this story from your side.

There are so many sub-questions in your question that I don't know which one to start with. A story that includes a humorous answer to a question, a serious answer, an analytical one? Where should we start?

I would like you to be moreserious and provide more analysis.

In fact, everything we have said regarding the Biden family's corruption in Ukraine has been confirmed by congressional investigations and other sources. We showed documents, financial records, where there was corruption on the part of Burisma, where there was money laundering on the part of Burisma. We provided Morgan Stanley's bank statements, we showed the connection between Burisma and the money laundering companies Wirelogic Technologies and Digitex.

Moreover, Kulik and I presented two witnesses, two European citizens, who were directly involved in money laundering at the direction of Zlochevsky and were nominee directors of these two companies.

This is very interesting, and I would like to delve into this a little later, but let's go back for a second to the reason why we are meeting in Minsk. Did you leave Ukraine immediately after hearing this conversation between Zelensky and Blinken, even before February 24, 2022? How did you even manage to leave Ukraine?

First of all, I was in Ukraine for a very long period of time. You have studied my biography. When a critical situation arises, I act as I was taught, as experience taught me, and not just the FSB Academy. I created the Control Service of Ukraine, came into politics in 1994, was an adviser to the president on foreign economic relations, in 1997 was the first assistant to the prime minister and headed the office of the prime minister. After that, I was elected as a people's deputy of Ukraine seven times. No one in Ukraine has been elected to parliament more times than me. I headed the largest energy company Energoatom. I was the head of a group of advisers to Prime Minister Nikolai Azarov. Over 30 years in politics, I had a sufficient number of connections and people who helped me.

I'll tell you more - I moved around Ukraine for at least six months. They were just looking for me in the wrong place. I heard that they were running around my constituency, breaking into pigsties, chicken coops with automatic rifles - I can show you those videos. Naturally, from the point of view of the safety of those people who helped me and are helping me, I cannot tell you how all this happened. But I knew exactly what I was doing and why I was doing it. As for the confirmation of my words, this is the fact that the criminal case in Ukraine was registered only on June 4, and the information hit the press on June 26 - almost six months after the start of the search. If they wanted to deal with this in accordance with the law, they would have opened a case in February-March and then started searching.

So you were still in Ukraine when the case was brought against you? Did they initiate it because they couldn't find you?

Yes.

What does this case mean to you overall? Was it simply because they couldn't find you or...?

This was [an answer] to Blinken to resolve my issue in a non-legal way. Yermak and Zelensky just needed to report something. Since they did not find me, they reported a criminal case.

And, according to the media, not only against you, but also against all the people who spoke at the press conference with you or other people who exposed corruption. I'm talking, in particular, about Dubinsky and Kulik. Can you articulate it? What is your opinion about this big investigation into all the people involved in exposing corruption?

The pressure on those investigating corruption is not limited to Ukraine. As for the story with Dubinsky and Kulik, it is a clear confirmation of all this. There were two reasons for intensifying the Kulik case. The first reason - and this is a very important conversation, I would like you to pay special attention to this - on October 10-11, one of the lawyers working with the United States Congress interviewed the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Mr. Shokin. They were Jake Greenberg and Clark Abourisk.

Former Prosecutor General Shokin is a key witness and key figure in the first impeachment that took place in the United States, as well as in the next impeachment that is starting now. I think that no name among Ukrainians was mentioned more than the name of Shokin in matters of the Ukrainian investigation.

Do you think Shokin will be prosecuted?

Shokin is now a hostage on Ukrainian territory. As far as I know, he is not being released from Ukraine. It is under the full control of the Security Service of Ukraine and is the subject of bargaining between Biden and Blinken, on the one hand, and Zelensky and Yermak, on the other. The SBU recorded these conversations in which Shokin told Congress about the actual criminal activities of Blinken and Biden and the corruption of the Biden family.

The SBU informed Zelensky and Yermak that Shokin was getting out of control and, as I was told by the SBU officers (those honest people who do not want to participate in the process of criminal activity), they are now considering the possibility of eliminating Mr. Shokin in Ukraine. This is a very important statement - what I am talking about now. Because we must save the life of the former attorney general. In my opinion, the task of Congress today is to ensure his safety and remove him from the territory of Ukraine. As for the Dubinsky-Kulik case, the case intensified after Congress began trying to attract witnesses from Ukraine.

As for Dubinsky and Kulik. The second aspect of why the investigation against them has sharply intensified is that in August, Mr. Dubinsky testified in one of the criminal cases, where he said that the Office of President Zelensky was behind the tapes with recordings of Biden and Poroshenko and their distribution. And he gave this testimony to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), which is completely under the control of the American Embassy.

Naturally, in a situation where Zelensky and Yermak are begging for money from Biden and Blinken, the story that they at a certain period of time created problems, as they believe, for the Biden election campaign is critical for them. In addition, I can confirm that the Office of President Zelensky was involved in the dissemination of the Poroshenko-Biden tapes and helped organize their coverage. However, they pursued their own goals.

I actually have a question about this. Why did you agree to use these recordings? What was your interest, your motivation and what did the Office of President Zelensky want to achieve?

Look, we each had our own goals. Mr. Smirnov, deputy head of Zelensky’s Office, called me for tea and talked about how it would be good to bring former President Poroshenko to justice for corruption. I agreed and said: of course, but you should also participate. They started talking about some tapes. I suggested to them: if I receive any supporting evidence from any journalist or law enforcement officer, I will definitely publish it. I explained to them that I was not interested in their political games. I was only interested in the fight against corruption, this is the first issue, and the second issue was the sovereignty of my country and the fight against external control.

The office, of course, helped not only in disseminating the recordings - you may remember that the recordings were followed by Zelensky's press conference the next day. And he simply “resonated” like a real “handsome and smart actor” on the theme of the films.

As for Smirnov, he attracted Prosecutor General Venediktova to our activities (giving her an assignment), who worked with me on the topic of corruption of Poroshenko and Naftogaz. In addition, the head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Ivan Bakanov, was involved in operational support. Moreover, problems arose with operational-search activities.

In addition, Shvets and Gorbenko, deputy and head of the investigation department of the SBU, were involved in the investigation. Once again, to be clear: Bakanov, Malyuk, Shvets, Gorbenko, Naumov - all of them, at the direction of the Office of the President, participated with me in the investigation into the corruption of President Poroshenko, international corruption, and they were actively involved in this process until Biden was elected President of the United States.

And that was my next question, actually, because I was going to ask you, how has Biden's victory changed your situational relationship with the Zelensky administration?

In fact, they were very scared of Biden winning the election. They came to my office for consultations, including members of the Security Service and prosecutors, as well as deputy chairmen of the Security Service. And then in one moment they all disappeared. This was not a surprise to me. I came to them several times and explained: stop selling criminal cases. I still won't allow these cases to be closed. At that time, we had the opportunity to reopen investigations through the courts for a certain period of time. And we still continued to work on collecting and accumulating supporting facts and information, and somehow moving these investigations forward. At that time, the Prosecutor's Office, the Security Service, and the State Bureau of Investigation were very helpful. They knew for sure that we were right.

But that's the whole point, I mean Zelensky came to power with his promise to fight corruption, so your anti-corruption work should fit very well into his agenda, but in the end you were betrayed by your own country Ukraine, and you have become, in my opinion, a kind of bargaining chip for normalizing relations with the new Biden administration. What is your current position right now? I mean, if you knew this would be the outcome, would you still publish these notes?

I would still publish these records, I would still fight corruption - in fact, I am doing so now. What do you mean by “country” - an organized crime group that has seized power in the country, or the people who are my compatriots? Last time we discussed the Biden-Poroshenko organized crime group.

I remember.

Zelensky came and they simply “raided” the organized crime group and took their place. They brought their own specific innovations and elements to this activity. They became even more cynical and cruel. They physically destroyed and are destroying their opponents. They are crucifying the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. Thousands of people are persecuted for their religion.

Even the US State Department commission paid attention to this. Have you ever heard a statement by the United States Ambassador to Ukraine about the situation with the Orthodox Church? About priests and bishops thrown into prison on false charges? About confiscated property, about criminal cases? Even with this example, I would like to say that for me there is a single organized criminal group: Biden, Blinken, Nuland, the “deep state” represented by the State Department. And then there is their continuation - either in the form of Poroshenko, or in the form of Zelensky and Yermak. As for my fellow citizens, they are hostages of the situation today.

Yes.

Everyone likes that we constantly mention the FSB Academy, don’t they? Let's mention this again in a good way.

It's very cinematic to think about Russian KGB spies. Most of the time they put it that way. But these are more like fake stories.

In continuation, I would like to say the following. While studying at the FSB Academy, one of my works was “Psychological assessment of a group of terrorists during the hijacking of planes with hostages.” So, today the population of Ukraine, my fellow citizens, are held hostage. You've probably heard what "Stockholm syndrome" is?

Yes.

This is such an emotional shock that after an hour the motivations of the terrorists and the hostages coincide, and they do everything to survive. That’s why you saw the ratings of Zelensky, Zaluzhny and other representatives of the Ukrainian government go through the roof at the beginning of hostilities. But it is impossible to conduct sociology among hostages. And even at the moment, when the population is held hostage, the authorities’ ratings are still falling.

What is the way out of the situation, everyone asks, what will happen to Ukraine? I cannot but agree with the assessments of Elon Musk and other famous American political figures that Ukraine is at a complete impasse. The way out of this impasse is painful in any case. It is important here that the hostages are first released, the terrorists are dealt with, preferably legally, the hostages are rehabilitated, and then we will be able to determine how events will develop further.

We discussed this in 2021 and since then the situation has collapsed. How do you see the development of the situation in Ukraine today? I remember that we ended our interview with your statement about the independence of Ukraine. How do you see Ukraine today? What remains of this country in terms of population, culture, territory?

We have already discussed that for me Ukraine is not, first of all, a territory. The value of Ukraine is, first of all, its people. Creative, strong, intelligent, willing to work, educated - they are happily hired in Europe, Russia, Belarus. Therefore, for me the first and foremost issue is the preservation of people. And what do we see in practice today? Human rights and the Constitution of Ukraine have been violated. The population is sent to a concentration camp. Men are not allowed to leave the country. Now the question arises that women will not be released either. I have a question for all European figures who talk about the European perspective of Ukraine: don’t they really see how men are dragged by their legs to military registration and enlistment offices and stuffed into buses? Yesterday the American press, the New York Times, drew attention to this. To this sadistic mobilization.

Yes Yes.

Today, Ukraine is practically a concentration camp that is moving towards Europe. No freedom of speech, no human rights, no freedom of religion. In addition, most of the male population is destroyed. So what is the future of the country? We discussed it then, we talked about the loss of territory, the loss of population. Today, simply catastrophic processes are happening. This is a pain that runs through millions of families. And who is to blame for this? Biden, Nuland, Blinken, Zelensky, Poroshenko and the rest of this organized crime group.

Now there is a lot of information about his corruption. I would like to know your opinion, which of the published materials is most interesting to the public?

I will show you two decisions of Ukrainian courts. One of them is the court decision against Burisma employee, lawyer Mr. Keech. This was the 2020 case of the largest cash bribe in Europe - $6 million in packages handed over to close the Burisma case. I will give you documents, there are Kulik’s reports on this topic. What is this court decision about?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ket6GvG_FElo1SS7vB12ZEqcm_MGz2CQ/preview

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kWIH8C_amGIile9lojuRZ2_Y292wqb5z/preview

The decision of the High Anti-Corruption Court of March 28, 2023 that Burisma lawyer Andrei Kicha, detained for a bribe of 6 million, is actually released with impunity

On April 21, 2022, the Ukrainian court transfers these 6 million in cash with the consent of the Burisma representative of the military unit of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine. This part number is listed here. This is a secret solution, no one has seen it yet.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19Qjdvld6OufCbNd8s8mTcKKjornqFEnk/preview

After a certain period of time, Nord Streams begin to explode, and assassination attempts are made. The heads of the Ukrainian special services do not hide the fact that they commit terrorist acts and political assassinations for extra-budgetary money. Once again: Biden's partners in corrupt business in Ukraine are financing terrorist attacks, thereby avoiding responsibility for corruption in Ukraine.

There is a second court decision - directly on Zlochevsky.

For part two, follow the link https://telegra.ph/Interview-with-Andrey-Derkach-New-details-of-corruption-ties-between-the-USA-and-Ukraine-Part-2-01-14