Dia 6 - Juicio COPA vs Wright 2/2
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Kurt Wuckert Jr | GorillaPool.com (Twitter)
COPA: Moving on to the Genesis Block. We agree it was created on Saturday Jan 3 UK. Sunday the 4th AUS, and Jan 9 was when the first block was mined atop?
CSW: Yes, it had to be restarted.
[WHY WOULDNT HOUGH STAY ON THE SECRET PERSON?!]
COPA: Excerpt of you discussing bitcoin. You mention patch Tuesday and you had to build a domain...
CSW: Yes.
COPA: So your story is Genesis block is mined, Microsoft caused the machines to crash and you addressed the problem by building a domain.
CSW: No, I had a domain. I needed to integrate the WinXP machines to them. I wasn't patching like a home user with downloads from the server. WSUS downloads them and patches them when appropriate for my environment.
COPA: You didn't mention this before.
CSW: I mentioned WSUS in my first interview. It's called patch Tuesday even when it happens on Friday.
COPA: It happened on Tuesday after the genesis block?
CSW: I don't know. A WSUS server does the patch when I want it to.
COPA: Patch Tuesdays for January 2009, it happened on the 13th.
CSW: Windows server update services is separate to Windows update.
COPA: Anyone can look at Wikipedia and see Patch Tuesday is a regular event.
CSW: You're mischaracterizing it. I specified WSUS even thought everyone calls it Patch Tuesday, but they can happen any day. The server system can be configured any ways you configure it.
COPA: This doesn't make sense.
CSW: I was an MSDN and a teacher of Microsoft systems. I get patches before other people and source code as an open source MS Dev. You presume I'm an everday pleb, not an MSDN user with MSUS server use.
COPA: So you're a special case and don't get patch Tuesday patches on Tuesday.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Come on
CSW: Who do you think tests patches other than MSDN devs?
COPA: You're just adding context to fit your narrative.
CSW: I was running systems for clients. I had to test them before pushing patches to Centrebet and others. I was on the highest tier and the first Aussie to be a MS Gold Member on the dev network. The point is that as an admin of these networks, I had to have early access [HOUGH SMILING WITH SOMEONE ON HIS TEAM]
COPA: In ref to early bitcoin mining, you said it was you and Don and Max Lynam.
CSW: Just a few days, but then Hal, Trammel and others came on very quickly. Just a few days of me and family only.
COPA: You mentioned 69 racks.
CSW: 69 systems.
COPA: You didn't tell them they would be getting block rewards with value?
CSW: that wasn't the point. It was about timestamping. The block rewards didn't have any valua at the time. They were a promise, I suppose.
COPA: You put a value on them for accounting purpose.
CSW: Yes, but it was below my cost, but I had to value them at something.
COPA: You never told them about the rewards?
CSW: I told them they would be tokens, but never that I thought they would be valuable. They would have been mad about the electricity expenditure.
COPA: You never let them know they were important?
CSW: I wanted them to protect the system, not the tokens.
COPA: You told them to keep the blockchain?
CSW: YEs, the data is the value.
COPA: Why not later?
CSW: I was going through a divorce and an audit from the ATO. I was stressed out, and bitcoin had only ever been a loss to me at that point. I wasn't excited, I was stressed. Couldn't catch a break. Liberty Reserve was shut down...
COPA: When did you have $10 million dollars to start?
CSW: I had 20 at the start from the gaming work I was doing.
COPA: Your security work required you to have lots of computers, right?
CSW: No, you could have a laptop. You wouldn't be running NAS, minicomputers or the data storage that I had. Remember, I had petabytes of data and tons of other abnormal stuff for a security man to have.
COPA: According to experts, it wouldn't have been necessary to have a big system to mine bitcoin.
CSW: Michaeljohn is confusing hashing and nodes. Validating ECDSA is computationally intense. Validating blocks before distributing blocks is h...
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Kurt Wuckert Jr | GorillaPool.com (Twitter)
COPA: New Topic. Bitcoin as a cryptocurrency. You acknowledge that You're responsible for the content of the book "Satoshi's Vision."
CSW: Yes.
COPA: At no point have I said bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. True? Do you endorse what is said?
CSW: I shy away from it. I have said it and have been lax on the term, but usually clear and Draconian about its misuse.
COPA: Slack post by you "Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency." You make this point many times?
CSW: the word sounded cool to me, and I didn't crack down on its use until after Silk Road.
COPA: Satoshi made a post calling it the P@P Cryptocurrency.
CSW: That was Martti at the time, but I didn't care at the time. I liked the word. Thought it was cool. But I have changed.
COPA: Email between Satoshi and Martti Malmi "I uploaded this to SourceForge and DotOrg. Here's what I've prepared announcing the cryptocurrency..." It's right that Satoshi stated it was a cryptocurrency.
CSW: It was a work between me and Malmi and sent back this as the final approved post.
COPA: You said the post was written by Malmi.
CSW: It's true. I added to it, but these are his words. Check his other emails for the creation process. It was collab.
COPA: You stated specifically that this was by Malmi.
CSW: the P2P Cryptocrrency bit IS from him.
COPA: This can no doubt be corrected. Martti didn't come up with that part. It was prepared by Satoshi. Your evidence in Norway was dishonest.
CSW: Not at all. Mr Malmi - AKA Cøbra - came up with the text earlier, and me not correcting isn't me writing.
Kurt Wuckert Jr | GorillaPool.com (Twitter)
COPA: Can we trust this new doctored document with you and Stefan?
CSW: There's no doctored files.
COPA: You offered 50k bitcoins for 100 AUS dollars to give it value.
CSW: We haggled, but something like that yes.
COPA: You think at the time you had this discussion with Stefan, bitcoin had been running for some months, but he wasn't aware that bitcoin was running.
CSW: He was aware of the logging system and timecoin system.
COPA: He wasn't aware bitcoin was running.
CSW: i'll read the definition of a transaction again. He was aware. He wasn't aware of the monetary token.
COPA: So it was $100 for 50k meaningless tokens.
CSW: I wanted to make it have *some* value. It's not meaningless when trade starts to happen. Was it meaningless when Gavin and Martti bought some? Your COPA people do what they want in this regard.
COPA: Stop making allegations against COPA. You're using the witness box as a bully pulpit.
CSW: I'd love to show Twitter today showing COPA members all saying it's going up to $100k to a million dollars TODAY. They do it constantly
Mellor: We won't be entertaining that, and it isn't the point of these proceedings.
CSW: Yes, m'Lord.
COPA: You also mention PR0nHu8, the adult site here. You don't have evidence showing their interest in bitcoin or an individual from them?
CSW: I don't have those emails anymore.
COPA: It's just another embellishment
CSW: No
COPA: You talk about phasing out comms as Satoshi.
CSW: I stopped focusing on bitcoin and left it Gavin to try to rebuild my life. ATO was the biggest thing on my mind, but I also had lots of other problems and focuses.
COPA: You left it "in good hands" with Gavin.
CSW: Yes, but other parts of the code that included a marketplace, poker systems, etc... were given to Gavin and Martti and others.
COPA: You referrence Malmi here too.. Alleging Malmi took over admin of things and that he helped set up Silk Road and everything from terrorism to to assassination markets.
CSW: He helped set up Silk Road, so yes, that was set up.
COPA: There's no evidence for that.
CSW: His emails mention the exchange that is behind Silk Road. I didn't have my emails anymore because I was hacked. But only Satoshi and Malmi knew the details. I brought this up before the emails were leaked.
COPA: You also mention Wladimir Van Der Laan transferring bitcoin from SourceForge to Github.
CSW: I was asked if things could be moved, and I said yes, but not about the source code.
COPA: You said Wlad and Gavin moved it. Wlad had nothing to do with it.
CSW: He set up the Github server and convinced Gavin to move to it. SourceForge was completely separate until that point.
COPA: Says here decentralized currency should have decentralized source control.
CSW: he wanted it, but it didn't move.
COPA: There wasn't a rejection.
CSW: Didn't need to. I ignored it and kept running in SourceForge.
COPA: Email from Gavin to Satoshi saying that bug tracking can be integrated in Github.
CSW: the branch isn't the trunk. It's an SVN trunk. He's saying he will integrate patches and pushed to SourceForge.
COPA: Satoshi says here he isn't opposed to Github.
CSW: I am saying Github is far better for bug tracking which is true.
COPA: Satoshi email to Mike Hearn..
CSW: I sent a patch to Gavin and were sending back and forth SPV structure stuff, so this would have been a separate branch from the node software.
COPA: Email with Satoshi, Gavin and Martti about issue tracker.
CSW: Yes
COPA: 2011 Satoshi giving Gavin Admin priv.
CSW: On SourceForge.
COPA: You liked his ideas?
CSW: I liked his ideas about ticketing a such. We had set up the BitcoinDotOrg forums outside of SourceForge because they were bad. We wanted to archive comms and then save everything
COPA: Satoshi final email to Gavin
CSW: From the GMX email.
COPA: You urge him to give more credit to devs and open source.
CSW: Yep. To focus on script, scaling, etc... The main system should have been stable.
COPA: Satoshi was content to see...
Kurt Wuckert Jr | GorillaPool.com (Twitter)
COPA: The comms from Satoshi. You said you accepted a redundancy from BDO to focus on bitcoin. In Sydney time which is where you were in 2007-2008. Highest concentration of comms from Satoshi would have been 4AM hour.
CSW: Yes. I rest in the evening and work at night. I posted that I was "trashed" to Gavin.
COPA: A person working in Sydney would have been working weird hours then?
CSW: I'm a computer programmer. I always work all night.
COPA: It's strange to only work at night when you took redundancy from BDO to work.
CSW: Forum posts aren't work. I would do work, and then late at night I would chat.
COPA: ecash systems, you were worried about IP and other assets being seized. You put bitcoin and other assets in the trust. Tulip Trust?
CSW: WDI initially, but TUlip in 2011.
COPA: You said it's on harddrive with 15 Shamir slices.
CSW: YEs.
COPA: You have some, and others to Uyen, Mayaka, Dave and other corporate agents.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: 8 slices required to recreate the AES key?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You mention the trust here
CSW: the software to create the keys was called "the trust" but that's not the TUlip Trust.
COPA: You generated keys to sign in 2016?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said the Genesis block doesn't have a public or private key associated with it?
CSW: You can generate a pub key without knowing the private key.
COPA: You have said Genesis block doesn't have those though?
CSW: Key structure, hashed, doesn't act like a typical key. It's a keyless key. No private key.
COPA: The drive didn't have a Genesis private key then?
CSW: Correct
COPA: Can't show how?
CSW: I could show you how.
COPA: You don't have a cryptographic means to show?
CSW: Not cryptographic.
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