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By r1bb July 30, in General Islamic Discussion. Also i did some research and found out that it has alot of health benefits, which is making me feel its halal. Allah swt makes this plant grow very very quick. Can someone clear this up for me. Dont be ignorant. Alcohol also has positive effects and so does pork but the negative effects are higher than the positive effects. Im not saying everything which has more negative effects than positive is haram there may be stuff which have more negative effects and be halal though I doubt it. I guess if you were to use it and abuse it for the simple sake of pleasure to get high , then I guess? A good example is of those people who end up becoming isolated, end up having fights with their family, end up having problems at work, school etc. But if you had cancer, severe pain, life threatening life impeding circumstances, were put into some kind of situation where cannabis would be affordable and beneficial, then I guess it's not haram. I think most of the scholars that are attacking it are doing so because of those recreational users that use it for the sake of pleasure only. Sukfurallah no, i did it while in Highschool, but not anymore its been years and years. I would just like to know, such as if your suffering from cancer and it could be the only source would it not be halal? As far as I know, there's not a lot of physical disadvantages caused by marijuana, but mostly psychological, which is even worse. Has any of our imams as ever told us a plant or herb is haram? At first case it seems completely haram, but for those special cases if they use a small dose just enough to help them relax it seems like any other prescribed drug for eg zanax. Its weird how come theres no ahadith on this topic, as some countries in the middle east are perfect growing conditions for it. Pardon me was there any proof to say it is un islamic or is eating corn un islamic as well? Whats the issue Malangs want to take a hallucigenic drug that can cause psychotic episodes and want to try and justify it the medicinal angle. Honestly why bother posting the question. Those that are going to smoke it are going to smoke it and those that arent arent. Nobody is debating taking the drug in large quantities, and such a person as yourself may not need it. Clearly in small quantities the aforementioned effects do not occur. There are some individuals out there whom using the drug in a small quantity can actually have beneficial effects, just the same as many other prescribed medicines. You kno they say before preaching, you should preach to yourself. Before educating educate yourself. Have you even looked into it? Am not saying smoke it, research it before you make your desicion on if its good for medicaial use. Dont go talking about a subject that you know nothing about. Stop saying malang, thats pretty much just a word sunnis are using against shias these days to say there wrong, and by saying it your just sounding ignorant. I will never say its alright to smoke it, but there are people that had there life saved from this herb. This is something marijuana obviously does. Not nessecery, Music doesnt remove aql unless you allowed it too, and depends on what your listening to really. Still Haram. Who said marijuana removes aql? Also it can stimulate brain cells. My phone auto-corrected. I meant to say muskir , not music. You're not in a balanced state of mind. In certain amounts it will make you high, but as far as I know in a small quantity it'd just smooth and relax you? Yeah, thats pretty much how your body reacts to it, but then again who smokes it in a small quantity lol. Honestly, if smoking marijuana is haram than smoking ciggerettes and hookah is haram becus they can also get you light headed and make you feel your not in a balanced state of mind. Furthermore hookah and ciggerettes are harmful to your body MUCH more harmful then weed. Im not saying lets all get high but something doesnt seem right if tabacoo and carcinagents that are in hookah and cigs. I'm of the opinion that marijuana is halal yet is something to be cautious with. But then again, I don't think wine or liquor is completely haram, neither is tobacco, so I don't know if anyone cares about my opinion on the issue. I would say though that compared to alcoholic beverages, I think weed has far more benefit than the benefits of alcoholic beverages. To say marijuana is haram solely because it induces a physical pleasure in the body I think is a poor argument because by the same token, hookahs, tobacco, coffee, and even herbal teas would be haram because they induce a physical effect. Now, if you say it is haram because the physical effect it produces is too much of a physical pleasure than we are intended to experience, that might be a more reasonable argument, but I fail to see how cannabis of all things would be dangerous in and of itself to use or derive pleasure from. Sure, people can become addicted to the substance, just as a person can become addicted to anything, but people can become addicted to the pleasures of sex as well and destroy their lives constantly trying to obtain more of that pleasure, but we know the physical and emotional pleasures of sexuality are not forbidden to us altogether. It is haram A drug is a drug, a poison is a poison. We cannot sip a drop of alcohol even if it doesn't make us drunk, and we cannot smoke marijuana no matter how little it is. Stop using science to argue whether something is good for you or not, Allah has already decreed the rule in the Qur'an about intoxicants. The majority of scientists now say to drink one glass of alcohol a day because its good for your heart, are all the shias going to do that? Or instead of assuming something is halal, contact your marja first I would rather have someone who is smoking a cigarette to drive me in a car than someone who is high on marijuana or drunk. Although I personally disagree with smoking tobacco, I don't think you can compare it to marijuana when it comes to making judgements. There have been studies that one glass of wine is good for your health, but this also depends on the person who's drinking. This creates a ''grey area'', and while you can not say its haram for that person and for the other one its halal. That would be unfair actually. Don't eat oranges or drink orange juice then. It has an ABV level even when not to left to ferment. Why shouldn't we use science? Did not God create the natural laws and chemical properties of everything? If science shows something to be true, then it is Allah who is showing us the truth through the physical science of his universe. For example, the Alevi Shia drink alcoholic beverages ceremoniously and, to a lesser extent, recreationally because their hadith do not forbid it. Now I understand that their traditions and any other sect of Shiism or Sufism or Sunnism are not binding on you or anyone else, but I'm saying that just saying 'The hadith say such and such' isn't enough because some people might say 'Well, which hadith are you talking about? Physical science can go a long way. Afterall, whenever physical science yields proof of a hadith or, better yet, the Quran, don't the users on ShiaChat hop all over it and give praises? I know I do. I'm not trying to call out anyone specifically to a battle of wits or a debate on their outlooks on marijuana or alcoholic beverages or anything else they might feel is forbidden that I don't agree is forbidden completely. All I'm saying is that whatever you feel the ruling on marijuana or wine or cocaine or psychedelics or whatever else out there is, use some reasoning and don't just follow what somebody else or some writing by some author tells you is the ruling without good reason or checking up to see if they would know what they're talking about, and don't just follow your passions anyway when the clear proof is put right in front of your eyes against what you thought was true beforehand and thus behave stubbornly in the face of clear truth. Our Quran is devoted to criticizing both those attitudes. Let's discuss and debate these subjects reasonably and with an open mind to both sides, shall we? Science is a great tool, but it is not perfect and you have to put faith into it. One day science says one thing, and another day another. When it comes to fiqh, Muslims will never follow science if it goes against Allah's decree. Islam says you shouldn't eat swine, are you going to eat pig if science says it is healthy for you? Have you not read your history? Didn't the prophet ban alcohol from his society? If you don't trust hadith then you don't even know how to pray properly, or do wudhu, or follow all these these rules that benefit us. Many of the things we do as muslims come from hadith We can't just say something is halal or haram by ourselves, we should ask the most knowledgeable. Me and you cannot read hadith and see if they are reliable, but people who have studied Islam their whole lives can do this and even go so far as to making rules in their resalat. I don't know where you have gotten your information from, but every shia marja says alcohol is haram to drink. There are thousands of hadith against alcohol and the bad merits from it. How could you ever say alcohol is okay when the prophet banned it himself, and the Imams have spoken against it, and the Qur'an speaks about against intoxicants. Answer: It is not permissible to use drugs if it seriously harms you, and if it is a habit, rather it is not permissible even if it does not harm you upon ihtiyaat precaution. You said: We cannot sip a drop of alcohol even if it doesn't make us drunk. Alcohol is a chemical that occurs naturally in many halal fruits, thus the subsequent juices of those fruits contain an ABV level, ie some drops of alcohol. If we cannot even sip a drop of alcohol, then fruits like oranges, grapes, and pomegranites and many others are haram. My point is that if these fruits contain the chemical known as alcohol, and they are not forbidden to us by Islamic law, then technically 'alcohol' is not forbidden. Now if you feel that drinks that contain alcohol such as wine or whiskey are forbidden because they can cause such an impairment of the senses, that is different than saying 'alcohol' is forbidden, which it clearly isn't and anyone who says 'alcohol' is forbidden in and of itself doesn't really understand how alcohol works. We can eat fruits with sugar alcohol in them and not ethanol and we can use isopropyl alcohol for our wounds as well. To forbid them purely because of an 'alcohol content' is downright silly. Your confusing science with the theories of scientists. The theories of scientists change because some things the human mind has yet to decipher perfectly. But whether a human believes the right theory or the wrong theory in regards to physical scientific phenomenon has no effect whatsoever on how that scientific phenomenon occurs. Whether the person is right or wrong, ignores it or acknowledges it, the actual science stays the same and constant for as long as God wishes or allows. The reason I don't eat pork is because it is unhealthy for me. Science just proves what God has said to me so I am assured. Even Abraham pbuh asked God for proofs to make his heart assured and faithful and God gave it. There's no shame in asking for evidence. Was Abu Bakr the legitimate ruler over the Ummah and best after the Prophet as because it says so in so many hadith? Did all the four first caliphs get along perfectly well because it says so in so many hadith? Do we accept these hadith because technically such a vast majority do? No, we don't, rather we follow the ones we feel make sense and are according to us based on the sums of our knowledge and reasoning regardless of some other sect's opinion whether it is the majority or the minority. In the same manner, many of our Ismaili brothers and Alevi brothers reject the alcohol hadith and follow their own traditions that they have come to trust more which say 'Yes, you can drink it in moderation. In my opinion it is a very narcissistic view, as well as isolationist, to say 'It is so clear and obvious that everyone who doesn't believe exactly what I do is a liar,' when in reality the truth is very hard to figure out and it's no wonder that so many have a different viewpoint. Yes, there are liars but there are people who legitimately believe what they believe because it makes sense to them and seems perfectly reasonable, even if it is very far from the truly reasonable facts. There is difference between someone saying 'I promote this regardless of the facts against it,' and someone saying in contrast 'I promote this because I believe it is a fact. Marjas are still human beings and unless there's some divine decree that says they are infallible, every marja has a chance of being wrong. Which are wrong and which are right is up to you decide for yourself. Heck, you or I could become marja if we studied enough and obtained enough devoted followers, whether we're right marjas or wrong marjas depends. And as I said, our brothers of other Shia sects have 'marjas' that say ethyl alcohol is okay to consume, whether they are right or wrong is up to you decide for yourself. When you take them you are giving away a percentage your control to that substance for a period of time, you cant turn it off like the radio, it is in your system and acting upon it untill it leaves it. Weed takes away your inhibitions and alters your state of mind in a similar way that alcohol does, it is also addictive and can trigger mental health issues. You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Paste as plain text instead. Only 75 emoji are allowed. Display as a link instead. Clear editor. Upload or insert images from URL. By Ani , 6 hours ago in General Islamic Discussion. Donate to ShiaChat. Is Marijuana A Debated Issue? Rate this topic 1 2 3 4 5. Share More sharing options Followers 0. Reply to this topic Start new topic. Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2. Recommended Posts. Basic Members. Posted July 30, I was wondering first is it debated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options Advanced Member. ShiaBen Posted July 30, Let me put it this way. These are examples of when it would be haram. Veteran Member. Kamranistan Posted July 30, Just say it had 'good effects' would you take it for the niyaah of 'good effects'? Or is that just a scape goat to drive your love for getting high? Author Basic Members. Jay Posted July 30, Rohani Posted July 30, Posted July 30, edited. Still not worth risking it unless a scholar looks at the case. Edited July 30, by slave. Edited July 30, by AlMuttaqi. A true Sunni Posted July 30, Guest Nargela Posted July 30, Someone should contact office of Sayyed Sistani and explain the issue. Abu Tufayl Posted July 30, Posted July 31, Abu Tufayl Posted July 31, Posted July 31, edited. Guest Nargela Posted July 31, Hussein89 Posted October 25, Posted October 25, Posted October 26, Raven Like Loading Musa Posted October 28, Posted October 28, Marijuana isn't Halal. AliAlSemawi Posted October 28, Thats why I think its haram. Posted October 28, edited. Musa Posted October 29, Posted October 29, Nader Zaveri Posted October 29, Posted October 29, edited. Question: What is the hukm on smokingHashish and Opium? Question: Is taking hashish drugs haram or not? Mumin Like Loading What does ABV levels have to do with making decisions? Ruq Posted October 29, Honestly, do you think such a thing takes people closer or futher from God? 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