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Registration's totally free, of course, and makes snowHeads easier to use and to understand, gives better searching, filtering etc. When you register, you get our free weekly -ish snow report by email. It's rather good and not made up by tourist offices or people that love the tourist office and want to marry it either We don't share your email address with anyone and we never send out any of those cheesy 'message from our partners' emails either. Anyway, snowHeads really is MUCH better when you're logged in - not least because you get to post your own messages complaining about things that annoy you like perhaps this banner which, incidentally, disappears when you log in Username:- Password:. Or: Register to be a proper snow-head, all official-like! Prev topic :: Next topic. Poster: A snowHead. Trying to decide on where to go next year, thinking of Saas Fee with Esprit as we need the child care side of things. 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Quote: happy with Spag bol don't know about Saas Fee, but in the bits of France I frequent the 'plat du jour' is invariably a lot better value than the 'specially laid on for the Brits' spag bol. Then you can post your own questions or snow reports It's generally quite expensive, though to be honest I've never understood how people can eat a big meal at lunch and then enjoy their skiing in the afternoon. Even the soups come in at a pretty high cost though. You could always do what I do and get some bread, cheese, ham etc. Find a nice quiet spot and enjoy the view; much more in keeping with the mountain experience. After all it is free. You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. I can't think of many one valley resorts that are more difficult. Ski the Net with snowHeads. Switzerland-currently 1. Makes France look cheap. And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. Perty , then just don't convert it. Or use an exchange rate that makes you feel better about it. Very little in bars and restaurants has increased in price since we moved here 7 years ago. Then a half of Leffe in my local was 4. So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much. If skiing Saas Grund You know it makes sense. Generally pretty pricey. Though there are ways to do it a good bit cheaper. Number 1 bar at Hotel Waldesruh next to the ski school drop off as well as the Speilboden and Plattjen lifts does snack food chips, hotdogs, burgers for about a fiver or so. You might not want to see another chip again after several days of it, but it's an option. Most of the restaurants are really good though. The exception is the revolving restaurant right at the top. The food isn't great and the service isn't the best either. Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:. We went out for pizza, 2 adults and 8 year old Ordered 2 pizzas at 22 E each - one was pepperoni, the other just plain marguerite Asked for an extra plate to share between the 3 of us. They charged us something like 5E for the empty plate They were only pizza express size as well. What a frightfully good idea. But- the prices are eye watering but the quality is almost always high although not so good as to make it good value. We have been to Esprit in Saas Fee in the summer twice- it is a very nice hotel- and backs onto the slopes. The food we had there was excellent by the way. But on slope food will be very pricey - and the maxim' if you need to know the price- you can't afford it' just might be applicable. Or not. As Saas Fee is spectacularly beautiful and if you can just accept that everything is expensive you might be OK. Obviously I haven't skied back to the Annahof but it is at the bottom of the nursery slopes. A word of caution, Saas Fee is very shady in winter I'm told and therefore can be very cold - which makes a January trip with small kids more difficult. Have fun whatever you do. Obergurgl which also has Esprit is another matter. Please don't drink and ski. This is sport you know! Swissie wrote: sev , Were you in Switz if they were charging 22 'E'! My bad CHF sorry. Then just don't convert it. What, exactly, is the point of pretending that Swiss ski areas are anything less than extortionate for British visitors. I appreciate that it doesn't work at all if you are budgeting for a week's holiday, but if you are simply trying to determine relative value for money it does make more sense. To me anyway Just because you feel you have a devalued currency you do But it will probably just put you in bad mood afternoon. Ade57 wrote: Beer! Well for some of us it's a holiday - so yes to a lunchtime beer Please note the 'a' - not condoning drunk skiing. 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Yes, I can't get all the tools I need and it's an issue Yes, but I find workarounds easily No, the real issue is the language No, the real issue is the price of data in my country No, the real issue is our current work culture Other specify in the comments Vote. Jules Maregiano. Say something nice to julesmaregiano… Post Comment. Fewer customers means fewer customer support requests, feature requests, etc. Fewer customers means deeper and more meaningful relationships with the customers you do have. When I was doing sales calls for IH, I made friends with lots of my customers. I still keep up with some. Also still friends with my lawyer who negotiated my Stripe acquisition, because she has very few high-touch customers, not a ton of faceless customers. Less diversity among your customers means it's easier to build something that works for everyone without going in a million different directions or considering tons of edge cases. Focusing is ideal when you're a small team. 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