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The Zen Card Counting system is another contribution from recognized card counting master, Arnold Snyder . The Zen system is one of several that were detailed in Snyder’s authoritative book, Blackbelt In Blackjack . He also introduced the RED 7 method and others.
While Snyder was a master card counter, he did not neglect the beginning counter when developing his systems. The Zen system is complex enough to create a significant edge for the player, but at the same time it simplifies the point values assigned to each card in order to make the method easier to use in live blackjack play.
We would characterize the Zen system as a middle-of-the-road option for card counters. In order to use it successfully your skill level should probably fall somewhere in between beginner and mildly experienced. There are a few elements of the Zen system that will require some practice at home before they can be executed in a quick fashion.
An important thing for would-be card counters to understand is that all card counting methods, including the Zen system, depend upon a sound comprehension of basic blackjack strategy. If you do not know when to properly execute the options available to you as a player, card counting won’t help you very much.
The Zen system and all other card counting methods rely upon creating a running count derived from numerical values assigned to each card in the deck. The running count is your signal to increase or decrease your blackjack bets. In the Zen system a positive running count (+2, +3, +4) demands a bet increase and a negative running count (-1, -2, -3) demands betting the minimum allowed at the table.
Each card in the deck has a numerical value in the Zen system. These values are known as indices. Here are the indices for the Zen system:
The indices of the Zen system are fairly uncomplicated and can be committed to memory after a few sessions of practice at home.
The manner in which a player handles aces in the Zen system deserves some explanation. Aces in the Zen system are not side-reckoned or counted separately. They are simply accounted for in the running count along with the other cards.
To compensate for the reduction in the percentage edge which occurs as aces are removed from the deck, Arnold Snyder assigned the aces a value of -1 in the running count. Snyder believed this method was just as effective as eliminating them from the running count and counting them separately. It does make the Zen system easier to use because the player has one less thing to track during live play.
Arnold Snyder also believed that using a true count made the Zen system more efficient. This is the only wrinkle in the Zen system which can pose a little difficulty for beginners.
In order to determine the true count of the deck in blackjack, some math is involved. A player must first use the numerical values of the Zen system to determine a running count. Once the player has the running count he must then estimate the remaining number of decks in play. The final step is to divide the running count by the number of decks remaining. The resulting number is the true count.
A true count is designed to give the player a more accurate representation of the deck and how favorable it is. The efficiency and accuracy of the Zen system is increased by using the true count and this translates to a greater edge for the player.
You should understand that using a true count is not required to use the Zen system. The Zen system can still be profitable when only using the running count, but the power of the method is reduced.
At CountingEdge.com we believe that The Zen system is for players that are mildly experienced at card counting but also want to expand their counting skills to the next level. It is a very basic method in terms of the indices used, and is simplified somewhat by not requiring a side count of aces. The inclusion of a true count will necessitate a few extra hours of practice before you become skilled enough to use the Zen system at the casinos! To play blackjack for real money we recommend that you try one of the secure casinos we list.
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February 8th, 2010 at 12:27:12 PM
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I plan on playing a double deck game with good rules s17 das da2 starting house edge .19% it is possible to get this to 0.00% or a tiny bit in my favor using flat betting My main goal is just to get comps and play a break even game with no chance of being barred

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You can never overcome the house edge by flat betting, you can only get lucky. Starting with a low HA game is a great way to start. If you want to stay under the radar and spread only 1-4 or 1-5, with essentially a 0% HA game, try the Wiz's A5 count on his other site. Easy to learn, with a low spread, you can play break even. That or a basic KO count with a 1-5 spread can give you a small edge.

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Back in the 1990s I used the Advanced Omega II count when playing single deck games with great penetration and good rules. I believe with this count alone it is possible to beat such a game flat betting. However, increases in PA is commensurate with increases in bet size. Back then, depending on the casino, I could get away with a spread of 1 to 4 units.

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dude, if you can contol the dice why play blackjack

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February 8th, 2010 at 6:32:57 PM
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ok just giving you a hard time man where can I learn about this count is it really better than ZEN

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Read Bryce Carlson, Blackjack for Blood. Omega II 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 A 1 1 2 2 2 1 0 -1 -2 -2(S) AOII betting correlation without Ace Side Count: 0.92 Playing Efficiency: 0.67. AOII with Ace Side Count: 0.99 The Zen Count is fine, but then again, so is Hi-Lo Lite.

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it is possible to get this to 0.00% or a tiny bit in my favor using flat betting
You can never overcome the house edge by flat betting, you can only get lucky. Starting with a low HA game is a great way to start. If you want to stay under the radar and spread only 1-4 or 1-5, with essentially a 0% HA game, try the Wiz's A5 count on his other site. Easy to learn, with a low spread, you can play break even. That or a basic KO count with a 1-5 spread can give you a small edge.
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