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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (Part 1)
No, I’m not going to discuss Spaghetti Westerns today. I’m going to list some of my expat likes (the good), dislikes (the bad) and major gripes (the ugly) related to living in Germany. Although I’m going to start with “the bad,” you should know that my “good” list is at least equal in length.
There are regional differences for some of the items you will see here. Germany is no more monolithic than the USA. Conservative Munich is not really anything like free-wheeling Berlin. But I have tried to list things that generally apply, and note those things that may be more regional in nature. Everyone’s good and bad list will be unique, but there are many cultural things that all expats in Germany can relate to. And I’d like to point out that I could make a similar list for life in the US. In fact, this German list is in part a commentary in reverse on life in the US.
I’ve been living in Berlin for almost two months this year, but I spent almost a year here in 2007/08, and I have also traveled a lot all across Germany over the years. But time marches on, and the list I’m making now is not the same list I would have drawn up a year ago or five years ago, much less a decade ago. If you want to see a more neutral comparison of US and German culture, see our six German Way cultural comparison charts, starting with Driving.
My list is not prioritized! Item one is no better or worse than item six in the list, whether good, bad or ugly. For that reason, items in the list are not numbered. Okay, here we go, first with the bad…
THE BAD: Things I dislike about expat life in Germany
In my next blog I’ll cover the “good” things, the aspects of life in Germany that I like a lot. In the meantime, if you think I forgot something important in my “bad” list, please leave a comment.
Born in New Mexico USA. Grew up in Calif., N.C., Florida. Tulane and U. of Nev. Reno. Taught German for 28 years. Lived in Berlin twice (2011, 2007-2008). Extensive travel in Austria, Germany, Switzerland, much of Europe, and Mexico. Book author and publisher - with expat interests.
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bopper on September 10, 2012 at 7:17 am
I totally agree about the traffic lights! I hated having to watch them while holding my head sideways to see them.
The reason for the warning light before it turns green is that most Germans drive manual cars…this is the indicator to put the car in gear and be ready to go. I think it is a great idea!
Hey, quit hatin’ on my Thai Sweet Chili Chips! I was the opposite, wondering why these slices of potato heaven are not in the USA?
Dont’ get me started on Mexican…my favorite anecdote is when I went to a mexican buffet and had to ask them to put out some tortillas. And their “chili”? Talk about sweet!
I was very proud of myself when I found some refried beans at the local Rewe.
I think the restaurants (Greek, Italian, Thai) that are run by people from that country are much better than ones that are not (Mexican).
HF on September 16, 2012 at 7:24 pm
As for sweet chili chips: Jedem das Seine, but not for me. Your point about manual shift (yellow-green) is interesting, but if that’s the case, why don’t some other EU countries do that? I still don’t think it’s needed. It just encourages people to jump the light. — Anyway, thanks for your comments! – HF
Mac on September 16, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I’ll comment a few things. I think the reason there aren’t a lot of toll free numbers (or 800 equivalent) in Germany is (in my opinion) because businesses are conservative. They don’t want to spend a lot because everything costs a lot! I guess they don’t realize the potential that by having a toll free number, one could probably increase sales/revenues if it’s used correctly.
I agree that some of the shop clerks or cashiers are not very friendly, but there are some that were friendly or even nice to me. I just give a nice weak smile back in return. It’s a hit or miss in this area.
Paying to use a restroom! This is most common in recreational areas or parks and even in train stations. There is a way to get around this! Some city centers have free restrooms. You might want to check a Kaufhaus (departmentstore), Bibliothek (library), Supermarkt (large one), Krankenhaus (hospital) or even a DM (drugstore).
One thing that you didn’t mentioned, but I thought it might be worthwhile was when I was living in Germany, I was trying to get a job there, and I noticed there was no volunteering service. I think volunteering for something is a great way to meet people and learn new skills, but this sort of thing is almost non-existent in Germany. Not sure why it’s not common there.
HF on September 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm
I just think German companies are cheapskates and just don’t get it when it comes to 800 numbers. – I’ve also had positive sales clerk experiences in Germany. It does happen, but I was talking about the lack of even superficial friendliness when you go to the same store almost every day. – You can’t avoid paying (tipping) in a department store — unless you just ignore the restroom attendant (which I have done). Even at the large Alexa mall in Berlin, it was pay to pee. Sorry, but I’m not going to go to a hospital to avoid paying! Most restaurants have free restrooms, but not all. My point was that Germany has a (tip the) restroom-attendant tradition. – Actually there are volunteer opportunities in Germany, at least in larger cities. A Berlin newspaper even has a feature on people who do “ehrenamtliche Arbeit” (volunteer work). It’s true that it’s not as common as in the US, but that’s because Germany has a far better social safety net than in the USA. – HF
Ruth on September 24, 2012 at 9:28 am
The flip side to the unfriendly shop clerks is that they usually at least know what they are talking about. Back in the land of friendly customer service (which I am enjoying every single minute of!!), I find that most shop employees are painfully uninformed and don’t know anything about the products they are selling or the market in general. Makes me wish I had some unfriendly shop clerk who knows a thing or two… it’s funny what you end up missing once you leave!
agentjade on October 4, 2012 at 12:19 am
The hypocritical quality of the train system here.
The world outside Germany always associate the idea of a state-of-the-art train system to be the German train system.
Wrong.. At least three times (in my short 8 months living here, and I don’t go out that often), I was travelling less than 300km on the train, and the train broke down, with no remedies for the stranded passengers.
We had to wait up to 2 or 3 hours, there was no refund/compensation/alternative transport arrangements, and if we wanted we could do a detour that would add another hour or so to our journey time, hardly a good option.
p.s. When I was in Sydney and the train didn’t function well or had to go under maintenance over the weekends, the passengers were provided free bus service along the same route. Not the same speed and efficiency, but it shows respect that life must go on even if the train is not running properly.
agentjade on October 4, 2012 at 12:24 am
pps. In 2010, I was travelling from the south of France to Paris, the TGV broke down due to heavy snow and had to get off and switch trains near Lyon. (The transfer took only 30 minutes, though.) The SNCF credited a full refund and apologized in letter for the ‘poor service’. Needless to say, I was impressed.
miagi on October 7, 2012 at 4:12 am
Not all graffiti you see on the streets of Berlin is illegal. There are quite a few property owners who pay graffiti artists do put a beautiful piece of art on their walls. Or the owners allow the artists to use the wall for free. Then there are walls issued by the city of Berlin to spray on legally, for example in skate parks.
Circumcision is a permanent body modification, just like tattoos, tongue splitting or scarification. It’s barbaric and immoral to do this to kids, without even getting their consent, regardless of the type of body modification. I’m shocked there is even a discussion about this in Germany, because it shows state and church are still not separated.
Great Article, Although as a German there are some things where i think it just a cultural difference or trade-off, not a real downside.
1. Traffic Lights: You are probably right that i would have been more logical to place them on the opposite corner, but now we all have gotten used to it and its no bother anymore. Just dont drive so close to the line that you cant see ’em anymore.
2. Pay-per-poo Toilettes: When they first started to spring up i was just as angry as you are now, but over time i realized that i like it better to pay and then get a very clean toilette than to have a free toilette where i am afraid to sit down. Of course free and clean would be best but at least in public places with no entrance control that is just unrealistic in my experience.
3. Graffiti: There are two different Graffiti’s. One is the ugly, pseudo gang type stuff. (because there are no real Gangs in germany). But the other is the very artistic stuff, that is actually encouraged. I completely agree that it would be ideal if there was no first type and it would be overpainted. But on the other hand: Those Jerks love nothing more than to spray their BS on freshly painted Walls. so I think the communities just gave up. Also it would be highly illegal to overpaint a privatly owned Wall, even if it would look better afterwards.
4. Mexican: Its just not something that Germans know or like. Thats why we will never know the difference. We just dont go there.
5. non-enforcement: Thats a delicate one (and especially frustrating for foreigners). Its just the opposite side of the coin of living in an overregulated society. So we have informal leeway on certain subjecs because its accepted by the people. Some kind of gentlemans agreement that something is generally wrong but not really, really wrong. One good example would be Marijuana (Cannabis). Which is, strictly speaking, illegal in Germany, But where its common knowledge that under a certein threshold no one cares. Even if you would get caught the case would be dropped because of “unimportance”.
6. Circumcision: We dont allow everything, just because some religion thinks its ok. And sometimes Kids have to be protected from their own parents. Personally i dont care much either way but “because its their religion” is not a good argument for “abuse of those in a
dependent position”. You are not allowed to do whatever you please to your children, just because you think its ok. Whats next ? A religion claiming God wants them to amputate their childrens legs ?
Also: Germany is a christian country and our church doesnt think ciscrumcision is necessary. If you dont like living in a christian country, dont come here. Sorry but you have to draw the line somewhere. The question wether or not we should allow muslim “yelling towers” just because we have loud church bells falls into the same category.
jeaninerl on April 5, 2019 at 12:15 am
I was looking through here because I want to complain that German kids’ books are so ugly, I can’t look at them. I know a lot Germans don’t pay for design, but propagating that sentimental ugliness is disturbing.
I was born in Boston and have been living in Berlin, Munich and now Essen for the last 12 years and am often amused by these common cultural differences.
Walking lights. I will never forget watching a girl stand forever at a deserted corner in a tiny village waiting for green. Wow, what’s wrong with those people? I decided to ignore the light nearest my house because it is too slow. So does my 85 year old neighbor.
Mexican food does suck here, but there are as few real Mexican restaurants here as Italian ones in Boston (hehe, I will now be put on the bad list of the mob.) Why expect everything to be like at home? Munich has more Italians than other places in Germany, there you have better Italian restaurants. Mexico is far away. And what do Mexicans want with a cold cloudy snobby country? Spanish/ Latin American/Mediterranean people find it hard to live here.
Circumcision. Maybe that is an issue you want to stay out of. I personally think it is brainwashing that convinces men they want to be sexually mutilated without any personal choice in the matter. After a number of my American friends experienced botched circumcisions in proper first world hospitals, I started asking myself what is wrong with people.
Sweet. If you would cook here you would know that Germans do use significantly less sugar than Americans. An American cake has often more than 50% sugar and German recipes just don’t come close. I can’t eat American cakes anymore. I will agree Germans add awful amounts of sugar to things that are foreign or spicy. They often can’t deal with it and have trouble bringing such products out on their small market. But thanks for a good list nonetheless.
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