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Whats A 1 To 8 Bet Spread
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I see posts where people discuss this is bad, this is good, 1 to 12, 1 to 8. I understand that bet spreads differ based on rules and how much risk you want to take. I'm a good card counter, I bet more when count is high and less when count is low. But I don't follow any rule on how much i should bet.
So, my casino has 6 deck, min bet there is 10. Can you explain me what exactly 1 to 12 bet spread would mean there in plain English? Any random example would work. Please don't say "it depends", I'm just trying to understand what that means.
Bet spreads are the spread of your betting amounts. So if you’re playing at a $10 minimum table, a “1-12 bet spread” would mean that your minimum bet is $10 and your maximum bet is $120. So when the true count is below a 1, you always bet $10.
The part that actually does “depend” is how much you bet when the true count is at or above a 1. But basically, as the true count gets higher, you bet more, until it is eventually high enough that you’re betting $120/hand.
1-12 is a fairly aggressive bet spread. 1-8 is fairly conservative. That simply refers to the risk you’re taking. The more you vary your bet sizes (aka the more aggressive the bet spread), the more attention you will draw from the floor staff.
So in above example, 1 to 12 bet spread doesn’t really say how much you should bet at , say, tc of 4, right? That’s kinda thing i need to figure out for myself depending on how much risk im willing to take? Is this something legit (regardless of risk taken): at tc 1.5 i do 2xmin bet, at tc 2 - 3xmin bet, at tc 2.5-4xmin bet, and so on until i reach my max bet of 120? Or is there something that bet spread is suggesting to bet on different tc
$10 minimum so $10 is 1 bet. $20 is 2 bets, $50 is 5 bets. $100 is 10 bets. a 1-10 spread means you are betting $10 at the absolute minimum and $100 max. Also if you are a good counter then it is time to get some structure and learn when to bet 2x 5x 10x etc.. don't just do it by gut. BJ and counting is a game of math, emotion has no place.
Also to consider: your EV will go up if you multi hand, and this for different reasons, one being that your chances of getting a natural 21 compared to the dealer getting one are n/(n+1) where n is your number of hands.
Your 21 pays you 3:2 while the dealer's "pays" him 1:1.
Also if you play with another player at the same table, multi hands means you will benefit more from a positive count shoe.
If you cannot multi hand because the table is full, you are not playing in good conditions.
You might want to look into some of the literature or get CVCX to better understand when you want to bet different amounts. You may be good at counting and get the concepts behind counting, but without a good grasp of when to bet certain amounts you're putting yourself at risk of lowering your expected value and raising your risk of ruin.
A 1-12 bet spread in your example using table minimum as your minimum bet:
So, negative counts you’re betting 1 unit, or $10. Your top TC count max bet, if your spread is 1-12, would be $120.
Or just Wong completely out of negative counts and Wong back in at a True +1 or True +2! Cut back on paying that table rent!
What my exact bet spread should be was something I was trying to work out a few years ago too. I can't remember where I read this but someone put it this way:
Putting your bankroll, variance and heat aside, the most profitable bet spread would be to bet nothing when you don't have an edge (below TC of +1 depending on the game) and the table max when you do have the edge.
There are two problems with that: 1. You may not have the bankroll to handle the ups and downs (variance) and 2. They will kick you out.
For variance with respect to your bankroll, that's where Kelly Criterion comes in (google it). That can tell you what you should bet depending on the count and your bankroll so that you don't go bust.
Like someone already mentioned, the CVCX software is a much better way of figuring out your bet spread. You put in what kind of rules you're playing, what you want your spread limits to be (i.e 1-12), your betting unit and your bankroll and it will give you a bet at different counts.
The thing to remember is that your bet at a particular count does not need to be exact. Just don't bet more when you don't have an edge. If your spreads are too conservative, you won't make any money. If they're too aggressive, you might overbet your bankroll or you might get kicked out.
Someone also mentioned spreading to two bets. That's a good idea. Don't quote me on this but it smooths out your variance on those hands by 50% I think.
On a $25 game when I'm not being timid (I have a problem with that) my spread will be something like: $25, $50, 2x$50, 2x$100, 2X$150 and maybe 2x$250 if things are going well and the count is going even higher.
Another thing is that you need a larger spread to beat games with worse rules & penetration. If you find a 2 deck game with a good cut, S17 and surrender (good luck finding that), 1-8 might be enough but you will probably need 1-2 for a 6 deck with 1.75 decks cut off, H17 and no surrender.
The bigger thing here is really that if your bankroll can afford max bets on a TC of +1, you’d have a higher EV playing at higher stakes (and a variable bet spread to compensate).
But I don't follow any rule on how much i should bet.
He means he is good at keeping count I guess but a viable AP needs to do all the below to be successful:
Perfect basic strategy + deviations
Perfect at finding and exploiting good conditions
Otherwise, remain a weekend warrior playing red chips, which is fine, you're still a card counter and you're getting mileage. Play rated, enjoy your comps.
If you really want to dumb it down, then your bet spread is determined from the top down, not the bottom up. So you set your max bet at 1% of your bankroll and work your way down. If you want to get more scientific then you bet somewhere between 30% to 70% of your advantage. You would never bet more than 70%, since this is full kelly any and more is counterproductive for the purposes of bankroll growth. You could bet less than 30%, if you were particularly risk-averse.
Bet spread is kind of sandwich you can find on menu at casino lobby. You can order from the drink server when you are playing blackjack.
Or BET Spread could be a risqué dance move common on the BET channel I guess?


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In the current article we present the relative value of the Wonging style of play, given a number of circumstances. All the numbers in the following tables are based on the betting units required and the dollar-denominated bet sizes, so that a player could operate to a risk of ruin of 5% by using a bankroll of $10 000.
One will not be able to use at a casino the precise betting units in the tables, but what he/she could do is to approximate the respective unit to the closest whole-dollar amount and modify his/her bankroll in an according manner. In the first table, the four-deck game with H17, DAS and 75% penetration level has a betting unit of $26.11 and 383 units required for a bet spread of 1-4 units. If one is to place $26 bets, then his/her bankroll should be $9 960, in order to maintain a risk of ruin of 5%. His/her expected profit will be $33.80 per 100 hands. This profit figure is calculated by dividing the earnings per hour ($33.94) by the unit size ($26.11) and multiplying the result by the unit one will use in actual play ($26). Or, (33.94 / 26.11) x 26 = $33.80.
The two tables above concern only four-deck games with the respective rules and penetration level. In this case we have the following:
1. For a bet spread of 1-1 unit, the player should bet 0 units for all true counts below +1 and 1 unit for any true count of +1 or higher;
2. For a bet spread of 1-2 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1 and 2 units at a true count of +2 or higher;
3. For a bet spread of 1-4 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 3 units at +3 and 4 units at a true count of +4 or higher;
4. For a bet spread of 1-6 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 6 units at +4 or higher;
5. For a bet spread of 1-8 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 8 units at +4 or higher.
The four tables above concern only six-deck games with the respective rules and penetration level. In this case we have the following:
1. For a bet spread of 1-1 unit, the player should bet 0 units for all true counts below +1 and 1 unit for any true count of +1 or higher;
2. For a bet spread of 1-2 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1 and 2 units at a true count of +2 or higher;
3. For a bet spread of 1-4 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 3 units at +3 and 4 units at a true count of +4 or higher;
4. For a bet spread of 1-6 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 6 units at +4 or higher;
5. For a bet spread of 1-8 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 8 units at +4 or higher.
The two tables above concern only eight-deck games with the respective rules and penetration level. In this case we have the following:
1. For a bet spread of 1-1 unit, the player should bet 0 units for all true counts below +1 and 1 unit for any true count of +1 or higher;
2. For a bet spread of 1-2 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1 and 2 units at a true count of +2 or higher;
3. For a bet spread of 1-4 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 3 units at +3 and 4 units at a true count of +4 or higher;
4. For a bet spread of 1-6 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 6 units at +4 or higher;
5. For a bet spread of 1-8 units, the player should bet 1 unit at a true count of +1, 2 units at +2, 4 units at +3 and 8 units at +4 or higher.
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OddsShark Sports Betting What Is A Point Spread And How Does It Work?
A point spread in sports is a way for oddsmakers to make a matchup between two unbalanced teams more balanced by giving points to or taking points away from each team.
The favorite in a matchup, indicated by a minus (-) sign, will have a given number of points taken away from its final score, while the underdog , known by its plus (+) sign, will have the same number of points added to its final score.
Be sure to check out our sports betting glossary to assist you with some of the terms used in our sports betting guides.
NFL spread betting is probably the most common and popular way to bet on football as it adds some excitement and better odds over just picking an outright winner. If you are new to betting the NFL altogether, be sure to check out our great How to Bet on the NFL guide.
Here is an example of a point spread for an NFL game and how it would look:
As you can see, Dallas is the 4.5-point favorite, which means the Cowboys would need to win the game by five points or more to win the bet. Conversely, New York is a 4.5-point underdog, which means to win the bet the Giants would need to win outright or not lose the game by more than four points.
If the Cowboys win 20-17, they win by three points and do NOT cover the 4.5 points, but the Giants have “covered the spread” by staying within 4.5 points. 
Point spread wagers often will be put into parlays in which you make multiple bets on one slip for a larger payout. If you have a few games that you’d like to wager on and want to see how a payout changes by adding or subtracting games, feel free to play around with our odds calculator to help you learn how odds work.
There are certain point spreads that bettors should be aware of that are known as “ key numbers .” These spreads are directly related to how points are scored in football such as a field goal (three points) or a touchdown (seven, assuming a successful one-point conversion). The three main key numbers in NFL point spread betting are 3, 7 and 10, representing a field goal, a touchdown and a field goal plus a touchdown.
The two most common margins of victory are three and seven points because of the type of scoring in the NFL. This is why you should shop around at different sportsbooks to find better lines to maybe gain an edge over the key numbers like getting a +3.5 spread as opposed to just +3 – you can get a quick look at the different books at our NFL odds page .
You can also “buy” points with a “ teaser bet ” in which you can move a +7 line to +8 but the odds may shift from -110 on the +7 to -135 at +8, meaning less of a return on your winning ticket. You can have key numbers on OVER/UNDER totals as well.
The most common betting line for a point spread is -110. A -110 line on either side is like paying a tax or commission to the sportsbook. Bettors would pay 10 percent (aka juice) to the sportsbook, which is essentially a fee for brokering the wager. So, the -110 indicates that a bettor must risk $110 to win $100. Some sportsbooks will even reduce the juice for you, which means you can earn the same $100 payout but risk less money to do it.
For example, if you see -7.5 (-107), then you only need to wager $107 to win $100 (saving you $3). If you see -7.5 (-102), then you only need to wager $102 to win $100.
There are three potential outcomes of your point spread wager: you win, you lose or you push (a tie). Typically, a point spread has odds of -110 for either side of the bet. In the example above between the Cowboys and Giants, the point spread is 4.5 points, while the odds are -110, meaning you would have to wager $110 to earn a profit of $100, or a profit of $0.91 for every dollar you bet.
A losing bet is quite simply you betting on the Cowboys -4.5 and they only win by four, for example. You lose the money that you placed on that bet.
A push wouldn’t happen in the example above because a team can’t win by half a point. It is very common, though, to have a betting line of +3/-3. Let’s say a favorite wins by exactly three. That is called a push and you simply get your money back with no profit and no loss.
PK or Pick’em means that the matchup is so close that there’s neither a favorite nor an underdog. Whatever team you pick to win when betting on the point spread simply has to win the game and the margin of victory doesn’t matter. In these cases, there may not even be a point spread available for the game and you can only bet on the moneyline .
This is a very common occurrence in sports betting and sportsbooks have the full right to shift the spread or odds for any given match prior to its start. Many factors can influence a change of the spread such as injuries, the number of bets coming in for either team or the weather, to name a few. Depending on the timing of placing the bet, the bettor can also have an advantage or a disadvantage depending on which way the spread has shifted.
Here is an example of a change in the spread:
If bettors had wagered on Dallas on Monday, they would be at a disadvantage compared to bettors who waited until Thursday because the Thursday bettors now only need Dallas to win by four points instead of five. But it can also go the other way:
If bettors had wagered on Dallas on Monday, they would now have the advantage over the bettors who waited until Thursday because the Thursday bettors need Dallas to win by eight points or more instead of only five.
Yes, in fact, sportsbooks also release spreads for different points in the match like after the first quarter or first half, which is called live betting or in-game betting . Oddsmakers will set spreads for those different checkpoints and it’s up to you as the bettor to determine which team will lead or trail by a certain number of points after that unit of time.
Here is an example of a first-half spread:
As you can see, Dallas is a 2.5-point favorite to lead the first half by three points or more whereas New York is a 2.5-point underdog, which means the Giants would need to be ahead or not trail by more than two points at the end of the first half.
The popularity of the point spread bet in the NFL is equally shared by NBA bettors and it works essentially the same way. When Giannis Antetokounmpo and the Milwaukee Bucks tip off at Madison Square Garden against the New York Knicks, the Bucks are going to be -800 on the moneyline but may have a point spread of -13.5 points with odds of -110, with the Knicks coming back at +13.5 with a -110 line.
As seen in the NFL with line movement throughout the week, in basketball, you’ll see the line movement occur much faster in a shorter time frame. When we looked at key numbers in the NFL, it was in regard to scoring. A similar approach can be taken in the NBA but it’s more connected to possessions. Look for key numbers such as five and seven because they tend to represent two- and three-possession games.
Be sure to check out our Basketball Betting News and our How to Bet on the NBA guide for more options and assistance in getting you in on the action for basketball.
A puckline is what a spread is called in the NHL, while a runline is associated with MLB betting. In both cases, the spread is almost always -1.5 for the favorite and +1.5 for the underdog, but the betting odds fluctuate a lot more than in NBA or NFL point spreads because the spread doesn’t usually change. There are instances in both the NHL and MLB where you see a 2.5-point runline or puckline but those are few and far between, typically between your league leader and a cellar-dweller.
A point spread bet is also referred to as betting the spread or handicap betting. Point spread betting is a sports betting market in which a team either has to win by a specific number of points or goals, or not lose by a specific number of points or goals.
If New York is +2.5, that means they are the underdog and have been spotted or given 2.5 points. If New York loses by two or fewer points, then it is a winning bet. If New York pulls off an outright upset, then that is also a winning wager.
When it comes to point spread betting, and you bet against the spread, it won’t be enough for the favorite to win the game outright. The favorite would have to win by more than a specified number of points or goals (the spread) in order for that team to cover the point spread.
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