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Turish Gay
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06.01.2004
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Cem Rifat Sey (so)
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Homosexuality is taboo in Turkey. But in Germany, Turkish gays have more freedom. Language, however, sometimes creates problems.
Most Turkish men celebrate soccer, not gay pride.
Metin was married in Turkey. After nearly eight years, he got divorced because his wife didn’t understand him. Being gay played no role in the decision, he said. He didn’t realize that he loved men until he came to Germany. Now Metin is one of approximately 15,000 homosexuals with Turkish roots living in the country.
For this group of people, coming out is the biggest problem, Metin said: “I am active, but I don’t identify myself publicly as a gay man. For familial reasons, because in the Turkish community, gays are not held in high regard. For me it’s no problem, but my family would be sad.”
The rainbow flag, a symbol of gay pride, flies in front of Berlin city hall for the annual gay pride parade.
Metin believes that German gays have it better because their families understand homosexuality as normal. He likes living in Germany. There are many more chances for gays, he believes. In Turkey, he would only be allowed to do a small portion of the things he can do in Germany.
In part, though, it remains a game of hide-and-seek. Turkish gays often prefer to stay in the immigrant scene and the majority of immigrants in Germany don’t come from the big Turkish cities, where there is more tolerance for people who live alternative lives. They mostly come from rural areas of Anatolia, where homosexuality is at best seen as a sickness.
Even though tolerance toward homosexuals has increased in the past years, people behave cautiously. It’s not difficult, however, for gay men with Turkish roots to meet people, said Metin. There are Web sites, parties and classified ads, for instance.
The Internet helps Turkish gay living in Germany to connect.
Lola is the founder of one of these Web sites: “Delidivane” has become an important virtual meeting spot for Turkish gays to meet not only Germans, but also other immigrants. Delidivane is “very international,” said Lola. She is heterosexual, but said she has a good understanding of gays.
In contrast to most gay Web sites, hers doesn’t promote sexual encounters, Lola said. The point is really to make contacts. “We have no pornographic pictures,” she said. “I don’t want to have them at all. And our members don’t want them either. They always say, Delidivane has to stay clean.”
Even if meeting people isn’t a problem, there are other things that are of concern to Turkish-German gays. AIDS is a special issue because many gay Turkish immigrants are not well informed and therefore the infection rate is higher, said Gökay, who works at an AIDS project called “Maasallah” in Essen.
A big part of the challenge is that much of the information material is only printed in German. “Even married men may prefer sex with other men,” Gökay said. “Because they do this without knowing about the AIDS risk, the risk of infection is relatively high.”
Maasallah is also concerned about lesbians, Gökay added. But Turkish women who love women seldom identify themselves publicly, and thus are hard to locate. “Many lesbian women are married,” he said. “I believe that’s the reason they hide. We can’t reach lesbians. I think this is because we live in a man’s world.”
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First off: If you’re coming to Gay Antalya for the epic queer nightlife and gay districts, we would suggest you head to Istanbul instead. If, however, you want to relax on the Turkish Riviera, discover a quirky old town, feel inspired by ancient ruins and glorious nature or simply to indulge in any number of luxurious resorts then Antalya is the answer!
Gay life in Antalya is discreet and largely plays out behind closed doors, on hook-up apps or occasional in the Turkish Baths, and besides one fun gay club, there isn’t much on offer here. It seems all the queer locals are headed off to anonymity offered by Gay Istanbul and gay travelers are more drawn to Mykonos , Tel Aviv or Valencia . We know when we are not wanted!
While Turkey was long considered one of the most moderate countries in the Middle East with same-sex activity legalized back in 1858, today things are degrading rapidly. Gay’s from many Islamic Countries use to be drawn to Turkey but are frequently now turning to places like Gay Bangkok with its simple visa-free policy and lower prices.
Bar Tel Aviv and other Israeli cities – Antalya is one of the Middle East’s most liberal cities. Same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the Ottoman Empire (predecessor of Turkey) in 1858 and has always been legal in Turkey although the subject is still highly taboo and discrimination frequently occurs.
It is difficult to summarise the situation of LGBT rights in Turkey especially give the steady erosion of civil liberties in Turkey following the failed summer 2016 coup attempt – but you should know LGBT activities are still highly taboo – and now banned in Ankara under the pretext of social cohesion. Discrimination against queer locals also frequently occurs. Sadly this is something we are also seeing in Kuala Lumpur and Jakarta.
In saying all this, gay travelers to Antalya are unlikely to experience any discrimination if they avoid outright displays of public affection and stay in a gay-friendly hotel in Antalya. There is a lot to love here: the mountains, food, history, and beaches. We just wish we could say things were getting better.
WARNING: Hornet is the most popular hook-up app used by Turkish gay men, as Grindr is banned for not filtering pornography. We strongly recommend you set up a high-quality VPN on your phone before going to protect your privacy, to remain anonymous and to keep access to your favorite websites and apps.
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Naturally being gay does not define which attractions most of us will want when traveling and most queer tourists will merely want to check out the top things to see in Antalya during the day! Sadly there are no real ‘gay places’ in Antalya and finding gay life in Antalya is almost impossible without hook-up apps or visiting the one gay club in town.
Antalya is a safe city, but still, all travelers should take caution with valuables. While you should not get lost in the relatively small old town we have included a helpful Gay Antalya map at the end just in case! Sadly, hand-holding or same-sex displays of affection should be avoided in this conservative culture, but otherwise, gay travelers should not encounter any other issues when exploring this lively city.
In Antalya, you would be hard-pressed to find an upscale hotel which had any issues with gay guests but discretion is advised still in this changing and increasingly conservative society. Some Antalya hotels are more popular with queer travelers due to their location in the Old Town, their affordable all-inclusive packages or for their welcoming vibes, which are all features here.
There are no exclusively gay hotels in Antalya but these gay-friendly hotels have been frequented by members of the LGBT community and have solid reputations. Things in Turkey are in flux however and if you have a different experience please contact us to let us know!
When looking at other hotels, we don’t recommend staying at very cheap hotels as local police typically raid these looking for prostitution. And if the police find you having sex, you will be arrested so it is just easier to avoid these budget / questionable properties altogether.
All Turkish hotels must record every visitor in a police-controlled system, so you cannot invite a date to your room in these hotels – but in 4 stars or higher you are generally allowed as you are paying a premium – just let your reception know beforehand.
Each hotel and area offer something very specific, so be sure to choose the right style and location to meet your needs. Prices are cheap compared to North American and European hotels (thought quickly rising) and standards are generally high – so it’s a great place to splurge! Of course, there are also hundred’s more hotel and hostel options in Antalya if none of these suit your desired budget, facilities or area!
We are disheartened to report but gay nightlife in Antalya is a bit of an oxymoron. In the past places frequent opened (then closed) or changed their name/clientele so it was hard to keep a track of the Antalya gay scene, but now it is even harder with venues no longer highlighting the fact they draw an LGBT audience for fear of government crackdowns.
We were only able to find one gay bar in Antalya, but there are also some other trendy venues you might want to check out. If you can, check Facebook for current reviews or ask around on a gay app where the best place to go is – but don’t plan your holiday around a night out in the gay bars in Antalya. Better to save that for Gay Istanbul …
Sadly Gay Antalya does not offer your traditional gay sauna experience like you will find in most Western countries. Thanks to local laws against any sexual action in public – or public venues – most venues in Antalya do not want to be labelled as gay or even gay-friendly from fear for raid, reprisals or shutdowns by local authorities and instead play the ‘three monkeys’ : “see nothing, hear nothing, speak nothing”.
While there are many busy saunas, gyms, and hamams (Turkish bath houses) you should realize this is a very traditional and cultural past time in Antalya and popular with both gay and straight men. We have heard of hot and steamy action taking place discreetly at Onay Hamami , but based on our expeirence: go for the authentic Turkish bathhouse atmosphere and its then a bonus if something happens.
Cruising at night was popular in the past, but is rather dangerous with many robberies and is not recommend, especially given the current political climate. Just use an app to find a gay hook up in Antalya, or head to the bars. There are no gay beaches in Antalya or even particularly gay-friendly beaches but you can occasionally meet gay guys on Adalar Beach and Lara Beach . Again, go for the beautiful surroundings and don’t be disappointed if nothing happens. In Turkey gay life plays out very much in private.
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Turkey has some truly amazing places to visit – there are few places that capture the imagination more than Istanbul , where East meets West; the coastline of the Turquoise Coast in the south is stunning and the landscape of Cappadocia is like something from a fantasy novel
However, it’s important to be aware that Turkey, for all its liberal aspects and its cosmopolitan cities, it an Islamic country and one that is moving closer to traditional Middle Eastern values on a daily basis. This is a similar situation to gay right in Indonesia and Malaysia and shows no signs of letting up. Unfortunately, this is having a very real and visible effect on LGBT rights in Turkey that gay travelers to the area should take into account when planning a trip.
It is such a beautiful country that the LGBT community should feel excited to visit it, but it’s vital to keep the religious and political situation in mind. Since the attempted coup in 2016, religiously conservative President Erdogan has worked hard to consolidate his power and silence dissent, and the situation is turbulent. This guide aims to provide a summary of the situation in Turkey to help LGBT travelers prepare for a trip there.
Unlike many Muslim countries, Turkey does not technically outlaw homosexuality. In fact, same-sex sexual activity was legalized in the Ottoman Empire in 1858 and homosexuality has been legal since 1923 when modern Turkey was founded. As with heterosexual sex, the age of consent is 18.
There, however, some quite vague bans in the criminal code on “offenses against public morality” which can be, and have been, interpreted to be used against the LGBT community. Additionally, homosexuals are banned from military service.
In July 2016 there was a failed attempt at a coup and since then Erdogan has spearheaded a nationwide crackdown on freedom of expression in order to maintain his power. This overall move against opposing opinions has had a huge impact on LGBT organizations and the wider community; evidence of this was seen clearly in the police violence at the Pride march in Istanbul in July 2018 , which has been banned for the fourth year running. Using the security situation as an excuse, Ankara has now prohibited all LGBT activity .
At the moment LGBT people in Turkey are not protected either in the public sphere or in employment through anti-discrimination laws. This is despite the efforts of some opposition parties who have attempted to introduce bills that would allow gay and transgender people legal protection.
Although homosexuality is technically legal, life as a member of the LGBT community in Turkey can be extremely challenging. A report published by Human Rights Watch in 2008 showed how gay and transgender communities face a threat of violence and discrimination on a daily basis. It further highlighted the lack of response from the authorities and the police.
Regretfully, as religion has an increasing influence on politics and society, this situation is only getting worse. No person in authority wishes to speak out in support of the gay community.
The social situation for members of the gay community is better in cosmopolitan Istanbul than in rural areas , where honor killings still occur; but whether or not people feel comfortable coming out to their family and friends completely depends on their own context and would still mean a number of risks.
Istanbul and some of the most tourist-friendly areas, such as Bodrum, have a fairly thriving gay scene, with pulsing dance floors, gay bars, and hamams; but many locals who are involved in the gays scene by night are living a different life by day, as they are not able to be open with their family or friends, and certainly not at work, where they could worry about the impact it would have on their future.
At the time of writing, it’s difficult to see what will happen to LGBT rights in Turkey. The shift towards conservatism in Turkey as a whole does not bode well, but given the reliance on tourism in many areas and the long-established liberalism of Istanbul, there might be enough open-minded individuals to hold back the wave of fundamentalism.
Although legally speaking trans rights are further forward than in other countries in the area, as transsexuals have been permitted to change their legal gender since 1988, there is still a lot of discrimination against trans people and many incidences of violence .
This is perhaps surprising in a country where transgender women ran for parliamentary office in 2015 and when one of Turkey’s most popular singers is transsexual, but this is also a country that has color-coded identity cards, so gender roles are still very traditional.
As in many conservative countries, there is a certain element of ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ in place, particularly a country that welcomes on tourism the way Turkey does. Travelers going to Turkey should feel encouraged to enjoy their time and feel confident in receiving a warm welcome. In addition, technically they have full legal protection.
There are nowhere near the levels of oppression that are experienced in many countries in the nearby Middle East, but at the same time, travel here is not going to be as open as travel in Bangkok or Berlin , for example.
Public displays of affection between heterosexual couples are frowned upon as well, so any travelers would be advised to be discrete, not just gay travelers. Interestingly, a lot of Turkish men hold hands or walk with their arms around each other’s’ shoulders; this is actually a common expression of friendship.
Turkey is a huge and varied country and there are multiple areas to explore. Generally speaking, gay travelers should feel comfortable going all over the country and not let any fear limit their adventures.
For a more liberal scene, the only city that would be recommended is Istanbul . The main gay district there is around Taksim and Beyoğlu is also an extremely forward-thinking area. Even Ankara and Izmir, Turkey’s capital and most Western-leaning city respectively, don’t have anything that comes close to being described as a ‘gay scene’, so while they’re interesting places to visit, gay travelers shouldn’t expect a party.
As in every country, the more rural the area, the more conservative the views held. Gay travelers in the countryside should take extra care to be discreet. However, the resorts along the Mediterranean and Aegean coasts have plenty of bars, clubs, and restaurants that will welcome anyone. Bodrum, for example, is famous for its tolerance.
Gay couples or single gay travelers hoping to meet people should not experience any issues if they are booked in international, upscale hotels. Luxury hotels will not be hugely pricey compared to Europe or North America (although prices are rising) so if travelers are would like a completely stress-free
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