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Venting mostly, comparing myself to others. Not healthy, I guess, so I don't know why I'm bothering with this.
After viewing/following other noobies like me and seeing some way surpass me, I've been really down on myself.
I've noticed the more successful people have going for them is at least one of three things:
Money: for the latest gear/games the moment of release
Friends: to help moderate and keep chat going
I know, basic stuff, right? Unfortunately, I don't have these advantages. Sure I have like 2 irl friends, but they're not really gamers, and I guess we're not that close for me to ask them to moderate for me, because I just think it wouldn't really be that fun for them to sit around and watch me have fun.
The money thing, I really thought people would be more forgiving, but you basically have to have a full studio set up...THAT IS if you don't already have a great personality.
I don't, apparently. I know just making this post proves it, doesn't it? I've been using the internet since I was a child (now early 20s) and I've never really been able to make "internet friends".
Streaming is so draining, too. Along with the personality, seems like you gotta be an extrovert with lots of energy.
Again, understandable. It's just sad realizing for me, it's not gonna happen like that where I can stream every day after work. Like, I've read others post they they worked really hard after their full-time jobs to make it to partner within a year or what have you, which is great!
I just...rarely hear from people that get success from playing games without having to be "on" (I get it, people like entertainment). I'm being honest here, of course who wouldn't want to play games and have a community around you as a full-time job? Not that I'm not willing to work for it, it's just disheartening seeing others making it work faster and better than you. (Also another kicker, I'm a lady, so that doesn't work in my favor either. Except getting fake nice creeps in chat who immediately leave when finding out I'm in a relationship).
I think you may be thinking about streaming in a non-helpful way here. It seems like you are more concerned about being quickly successful, rather than sitting back and enjoying the experience of streaming. Some of the most successful streamers I know, were never in for the fame or money. It was just something they enjoyed doing and that really shows in their personality. Like one of the commenters mentioned, a lot of the people that quickly move up the viewer scale just got lucky. They were hosted by someone with hundreds of viewers and they had enough of a personality or skill to keep them following and tuning back in. You absolutely do not need a full studio setup in order to have a successful stream. I know looking around may feel that way, but a lot of those streamers have put their "studio" together piece by piece. You'll notice many of them have goals for their next piece, be it a tripod, new mic, or a green screen. That can all come with time. As your community grows, so will that income. The income is never something you should depend on though, but think of it as a nice to have and spend it on your stream to thank your viewers. I don't know a lot of streamers that have a ton of IRL friends watching their streams. I have see a lot of streamers that have started out as viewers in other streams and decide to stream themselves. If they are a regular there, then there is a good chance some of those regulars come out to check out your stream. You probably already know them and usually they are more than happy to mod for you. Make sure you are getting out to other streams though and participating in those communities. It will pay you back immensely. Unfortunately, what you are correct with, is that you need either great skill, or a personality that is going to get people to come back to your stream. If you aren't outgoing or engaging with your potential audience, it's going to be super hard to start a community. You've show, through this post, that you are pretty passionate about streaming in general. I have no doubt that you can be successful at it. I'm not going to say it will just take hard work. I think you've probably already been doing hard work, but maybe just not in the right areas. Just a few points to sum it up:
Join other streams to see what they are doing successfully and see if you can incorporate it into your own streams, but with a personal spin.
Start making an honest effort to make internet friends in streams that you are a regular in.
Make sure your "non studio" setup is tuned to the best of your ability. You may not have the best gear, but you might as well get the best results out of it as you can.
Make sure you are streaming for the right reasons.
Try covering up your viewer count so that you are less focused on the viewers you don't have, and more focused on just enjoying your time
Lastly, Don't Give Up! Streaming takes time, consistency, and a bit of luck. You can do it!
I have been streaming "seriously" for just over a month and am almost at 200 followers, pull on average 10 viewers per stream, affiliate etc and can agree. I don't have anyone I know IRL watch my streams or really even know I stream and most of the streamers I talk to and am friends with are the same. I definitely think networking with other streamers helps a lot, community building is crucial and a fun part of the whole experience. So you definitely don't need IRL friends to "make it" if you will. You also don't need a lot of money. Likewise most people myself included started off with very basic stuff. I just had a laptop with an inbuilt webcam and mic and that was it. I also used to stream direct off my xbox with kinect for a while too until I saved money etc to progress with my setup.
I work full time and only stream maybe twice a week, I do it because I love it and its a hobby of mine and I think that attitude towards streaming changes a lot.
Personality is important at the end of the day the role of the streamer is to entertain. If your not a natural born entertainer it's going to be harder for you to be successful.
I mean this in the nicest way possible - If you don't like making internet friends, you don't like entertaining others and your only doing it only to be successful you probably shouldn't bother streaming. Everyone can stream, doesn't mean they should.
Thank you, I really appreciate your response. I have this thing where I hold back even online when interacting with others. Like, I just feel like a fake if I try to make Twitch friends only to hope they come watch me back. Felt like I was "hijacking" in a way when I did try making friends in someone else's chat (not that I ever blatantly said "hey I have a channel, too!"). The whole networking thing never clicked for me even in real life (which is why I could never be a salesperson!)
I guess I have to "fake it" as another commentator stated (and I've been told this irl for life in general as well). I need to take acting classes, or something!
Hey, I'm sorry you're a little sad about stuff ATM but I have an idea that might work.
Sure, you notice that people who have more charisma are growing faster, and that might be true, but maybe you can use your own personality to your advantage?
Why don't you try marketing your channel as a place to genuinely relax and chill out in, high energy stuff is great I know and yeah, it's eye catching but hey, if I had a place that I knew I could keep coming back to just chill out in that would be awesome.
So this way you don't have to be high energy miss charisma, you can use a darker theme, modify your channel, join the chill streaming community and start growing a loyal fan base that want to be there for the more mellow vibes you're giving out! Heck you could even throw a few pillows into your overlay, own it y'know?!
Anyway, I hope I've helped, for what it's worth I thought I'd be seeing some slow growth because I'm only streaming older games ATM, but I hit 50 followers today and have a few loyal people who keep coming back. You'll get the same, just focus on what makes you, well, you.
I'm new to the streaming game and have been fairly successful (75 followers in two months, affiliate)
All I have to say is enjoy what you do and the rest will fall into place. You're a gamer either way, so play the games and try to forget there's a camera in the background.
Thanks, trying to do that nowadays!
Fake it till you make it. Most people started exactly where you are. It takes a bit of time and luck, and once you have a chat to talk to or a neat gimmick it'll be better.
Man, I'm right there with you. I guess all we can do is to keep doing what we're doing and try to support one another.
you're at a turning point: you can either give up or keep going. many people run into this and its what separates dreamers from doers. remember that doubt means death and the longer you stay in this negative mindset the harder it gets. focus on your good attributes and work towards developing them. it will come along.
As an introverted dude who started streaming from a Macbook and didn't have anyone but myself in chat for quite some time, I can tell you that this isn't necessarily true.
Keep at it, use the time you have with no viewers to practice your skills, and take some time to learn from others. I'm not saying there aren't inherent advantages in what you've mentioned, but it isn't the be all end all of things. If you ever need any advice or help moving forward, feel free to message me. I started my stream under a lot of the same pretenses that you did and most people would consider me to be a pretty successful caster.
It's been hard for me to be positive about streaming sometimes, too. I think it's easier in a sense because I do have a full time job, but when there's the days when it's not 100% gratifying, it definitely makes me wish I could just stream and entertain people for my job. But there's a lot of my streams that have had 0 views, and that's always tough. It's meant a lot when a couple consistent followers pop in and say hello,
The creep part is tough for female streamers, and that's definitely discouraging. Fortunately, I haven't had too many viewers, so my wife can hang out on stream with me without any weirdos to worry about. Other than my IRL friends, of course. :p
I'd be glad to pop by sometime if you'd pm me your twitch link. No F4F necessary, just like popping around. :) And if not, that's okay too. I just wish you the best and hope you can find the fun in streaming!
But there's a lot of my streams that have had 0 views, and that's always tough. It's meant a lot when a couple consistent followers pop in and say hello There's nothing worse than having a plan, starting the stream, putting in 110% effort, even starting a "gimmick" with a well thought out idea, and then... nothing. Nobody watches. I think most streamers go through it at some point.
I'll be honest. None of my moderators are people I know in real life. They started off as regulars, were super helpful in chat, and it grew naturally from there. Granted, we like to troll the trolls, so there's minimal moderation for a stream this size.
Honestly? These things come with time. The way I behave on-stream is a way more blown up version of myself. Like you said, entertainment. But it wasn't like that at the start! Be patient. <3
i've been streaming for 4 years here and i havent reach 1000k followers yet, so yeah streaming seriously as in long-term job and possible high-end living off it is much harder than anyone can imagine.
It gets even harder when you MUST work 40/45 hours a week in order to keep your stream dream, passion alive (aka paying bills, rent, food and streaming upgrades).
In the end, there is no magic words, magic trick to make you grow fast and earn a lot quickly. You have 2 and only 2 possibilities here and you must pick one:
1- Keep your IRL job and stream as much as you can (you dont attract people if you're offline) without burning yourself off from doing it. You'll aim for a good 70-80 hours of work, every single week (IRL + Twitch stream job). GL with that, trust me.
2- Dump your IRL work and start streaming full time with a STABLE schedule. 40-50 hours a week of streaming min. 8-10 hours / day, its totally doable without a IRL job. But then again, how are you gonna pay off those bills, rent, food and other expenses of yours while streaming if you dont have a IRL job to support your passion / job? This is where the RNG gods hits and you have absolutely no control over it. You might get financial supports or you wont, plain and simple.
I speak from my own and past experience and in order to fully support myself into streaming full-time, I MUST earn 2,000$ / monthly from TWITCH SUPPORTS (tips, subs at one point) alone and nothing else. Taxes arent accounted for, so it will probably be closer to 2,800$.
I hope I have opened your eyes on that matter. I may not be affiliated / partened but i've learned A LOT over the years.
Sorry but you don't need the latest gear or games to get big on twitch. Personality is the absolute key. If you are not top notch in entertaining people you can either suck it up and try to improve or post a thread on reddit.
I am introverted guy with crappy ass laptop that can run like handful of older indie games and I still making around 7-10 average viewers for two months now. Well I started not exactly from scratch, but I assure you there are no strict requirements. I desperately need new PC, good mic and webcam, but people hanging out in my streams like what I can do for them and call the atmosphere comfy. That's the goal, not professionally looking expensive gear.
I know how to feel. I've been at it for a few weeks now and it looks like the ones with the deep pockets to afford giveaways or bots for views are the ones becoming successful with less work. The best advice I can give you is count on your friends to see your dream. Your real friends won't let you feel down and will ALWAYS be your biggest fan. I put full time energy into being an awesome online personality and I do it all for my 5 consistent viewers.
The first half of your post is kind of offensive to be honest. You've been at it a few weeks and you want to put down those of us who put in the extra "bit" to production value?
I've been streaming a few months, I went straight for a studio set up, because its an investment. I put myself in debt, and am slowly paying it off, because that quality DOES help. I work full time, and don't really have much disposable income, but streaming is a passion of mine, and when I'm not live I am networking with other streamers and spending time growing my community.
So I'd really appreciate it if YOU put in the effort before judging the rest of us for ours.
That's a good point. I should have more faith in my friends! Or I'll find out either way if they stick around.
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