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For those who may be interested I have recently posted a resume of the wonderful 1969 TV spanking of Roberta Rex by Jimmy Jewel in response to Smacks post of 18 November.

Sir John
Good resume Sir John. You obviously have a good memory.Hopefully the episode reappeared as a Classic British comedy in the VCR era and has been captured by somebody on tape. If your desciption is accurate I very much hope someday to see it.

Regards Sam
Whilst I accept that memories do fade with time, this is definitely how I remember the episode in question.If you doubt my resume there is not much more I can say except that I find your puzzlement relating to my references to the audience laughter odd. One of the significant features of the scene was the absence of dialog and I don't think init would have worked as television without the almost continual audience laughter. I don't know whether this particular show was recorded before a live audience and its responses edited or whether the laughter was just "canned".In my youth I did manage to get the occasional freebie ticket ftom the BBC for radio concerts and the odd pilot TV show so I know this did happen.

By the way I was influenced in my decision to contrbute by two things. Firstly the fact that this scene had really stuck in my mind and secondly the apparent lack of accurate detail in the post ; there was no hairbrush and the actress who played Vicky (I'm almost certain it was Roberta Rex) had dark hair ,cut as I recollect, in a Page Boy type style.

In any event I suspect you will not be satisfied until you have access to the original stage directions(therebeing mo dialog for the scene in question!).I didn't know such things were available ! Does one just write to the BBC or is there some sort of 'vault" you can visit?

Regards

Sir John
I very much respect Sir John's reply to my message of last week. I think you're right that I won't be completely satisfied in my own mind until I've seen the script. (Perhaps not even then: BBC scripts of that period often have gaps where routines were worked out by the artists.) But your comments have the stamp of calm, rational honesty that goes a long way to help establish his credibility. I wish you'd started off by drawing attention to the discrepancies between the scene as you remembered it and the scene as Spankmanuk did, but I do understand why you didn't include that in what was, in effect, your first post. It would still be interesting to hear from Spankmanuk about this. I suppose it's possible that his memory was, quite innocently, at fault: if we're lucky, maybe he got his shows mixed up and there is another late 1960s television spanking to be sought, featuring a mini-skirted girl with long blonde hair. If we're even luckier, maybe this time it might even be from a programme that still exists!

In due course I shall be looking at the script for Thicker than Water programme 2 to confirm Sir John's report. (In answer to your question, Sir John, it's not an archive accessible by the general public.) I can't say for certain when this will be; don't hold your breath. In the meantime, I can put on record that the episode title was The Licence and it was shown on 24th February 1969. The producer/director was Douglas Argent, and the script was by Peter Robinson, who was towards the beginning of his career as a scriptwriter in which he wrote mainly for sketch shows; he was still in the business twenty years later for Russ Abbott and Les Dennis. Thicker than Water (and its 1968 pilot, The Family of Fred) was his first sitcom; he later co-wrote the first two series of And Mother Makes Three.

Last time I played devil's advocate for the sceptical response to Sir John's report, so now I'll say a few things on the other side of the argument. Roberta Rex did indeed play Vicki, the youngest of the teenage daughters (and so the one most likely to be spanked), and Sir John is right: she did have dark hair, not blonde. Moreover, Jimmy Jewel and Roberta Rex were the first actors to appear in the first scene of the episode in question, as Sir John reports; I know this because Radio Times of this period printed the cast lists in order of appearance, and for this episode (and only this episode) their names are at the top. (For non-British readers, the Radio Times is the BBC's radio and television listings magazine.)

As Sir John describes it, the spanking scene reads as a fairly specific late '60s joke about young people. It's poking fun at youth culture, which is easy to do in any period, but also at the micro-skirt. As Jindabyne pointed out here recently, the fashion meant there were more girls showing their panties than ever before or since: it was widespread by 1969 but some people still considered it to be relatively new and shocking. Obviously this didn't include micro-skirt wearers, and that's half of the first part of the joke in the spanking scene: Vicki just doesn't care what she shows off. The other half of the joke is about how preoccupied Vicki is with her music. She's unaware of the irritation she's causing Jimmy Jewel, she's unaware that she's showing her knickers, and she's even unaware that she's being spanked: the music has her total attention to the exclusion of everything else!

I can think of at least two other examples of a spanking scene shown on British television where the girl had her skirt deliberately raised to be spanked on her panties. They were both transmissions of the ballet La Fille Mal Gardée, where the heroine's pantomime dame mother (played by a man) puts her across 'her' knee, turns up her skirt and petticoats and, in some performances, gets a few slaps in before the punishment is interrupted. This was broadcast in 1962 with the original cast of Stanley Holden and Nadia Nerina, and another version with Ronald Emblen and Lesley Collier was shown in 1981; the latter is currently available in Britain on video and DVD. Of course, this was high culture rather than 7.30 lowbrow sitcom, but it does show that panties spankings were not completely unbroadcastable!

As a supplement to this discussion, I'll share a recollection of a letter from the TV Times (the other British TV listings magazine) from 1969. There was a correspondence going on about the mini-skirt (versus the maxi and midi), and at about the same time the journal published an article by Ted Willis supporting corporal punishment. In response to this they printed a letter from (if I recall correctly) a 17-year-old girl who said that her mother still believed 'a good spanking' was the best deterrent, then drew in the other hot topic by quoting Mum as saying: 'There is one thing about the mini-skirt: a naughty girl is self-prepared for a spanking when it is necessary.' The clear implication being that it should be administered to the seat of her panties.
Hiya,
Very interesting Smack & co. The young ladies of those English sitcoms were so much fun & so 'obliging'! (I remember how entertaining Miss Brahms of "Are You Being Served" was when she finally yielded, too!)
In particular, I am 'wrapped' to know the spanking in "La Fille Mal Gardee" is a regular feature. Now we have ballet's answer to KMK to seek & enjoy! Excellent!
I have in the past often reported on the "Australian Ballet" production of LFMG in which the delicious Fiona Tonkin took 5 fun pats on her glistening white panties with her arms & legs comically flailing. I once asked this group if other LFMG productions featured the spanking. At last, thanks to you, Smack, I @ last have an answer! So there you are group, get 'cultured' & track it down!
I bought a French version in which the spanking was omitted. Useful! Later I bought a copy complete with the Tonkin spanking from the "ABC Shop", where ABC = "Australian Broadcasting Commission". I still have it & may still be available. Perhaps in "Cinema Swats 6", Dan could string together a short series of LFMG & KMK spankings including professional & college productions?!
I had a look @ pictures of Nadia Nerida. She is very pretty & would have made a wonderful spankee. I remember watching a documentary series on English male ballet dancers. As they drove up to the school @ which he learned his trade, he pointed out "Spanker's Wood". He went on to explain, "And it's called that for good reason!" There must be some fun tales re the spanked tales of some of England's finest young ballerinas there to be found!
And let's face it, what could more delightful than seeing some snooty, spoilt & refined prima ballerina get up-ended & spanked there in public for all to see!!??,
Go to it, team!,
A Very Cultured Jindabyne.
Excellent, Smack, very informative! Such a vast grasp of the picture as always! You are amazing. Wow!
Just a couple of points you may be interested in. The recording I have of "The Australain Ballet" was live from the Victorian Arts Centre on 20th. June, 1989. However, the copy I have was released in 1994. Perhaps it was re-released in 2000 for your enjoyment?
Infact, I originally saw it performed on TV not knowing there was a spanking in it. (Yes, I have a cultured side!) Interviewed performers referred to the fact their performance was celebrating the 150th. anniversary of "La Fille Mal Gardee". (I wonder what that translates to in English?) It is ironical, then, that the Aussie ballet didn't adhere more closely to the original performance of what presumably occurred in 1839. Whatever, I'm jolly glad they opted for the more modern interpretation! Perhaps it was just a good chance to get a spanking into their performance!
In my copy's version, Fiona Tonkin is dragged to her spanking by her skirt. Her expression of resignation to the spanking just prior to being placed over her stage Mother's knee is classic! It could be the carrying under the arm in other performances may explain why a guy in 'drag' was cast as the Mother? (Even I'd consider dressing in drag for that role, & that's really saying something!) Perhaps it would have been a bit much for an older female lead to carry the naughty little imp to her fate so a male was cast? Just spaculating.
It is interesting later when Lise is contemplating her future as a Mother herself that she simulates her thoughts by pretending to spank an imaginary child. That may explain why the spanking was added to this ballet, that going from being the spanked to the spankee signifies the transition from being a girl to womanhood that this ballet portrays. Just some of my thoughts.
More to the point, sure would love to see any of those pics you mentioned, Smack! Then I could die a happy man, (just not too soon!) Great to know they are / were around! The fact such prima donnas, bless them, would pose in such a way was really great!,
Keep It coming,
Jindabyne.
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In this game of cards, you pick a number of cards from a deck and each card contains specific instructions. All cards combined set up a spanking session wich can be - with a bit of strategy and luck - either very sensual or very intense.
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