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Why was the Spanking Art Wiki removed? Since when does wikia censor non-pornographic topics? Why wasn't there any warning? What happened to the content? Where are the thousands of hours of work? Anonyq2005 17:02, 26 January 2008 (UTC)anonyq2005
Thanks for the concern. There have been some outside inquiries about the content of the wiki that were very difficult to deal with in a thoughtful way on a Friday afternoon. We chose to remove the wiki from public view while we work with the both the complainants and the community to make sure that the wiki is focused on its mission of documenting adult sexuality. All parties have been polite and responsive and we hope to have the issue resolved soon.
We do reserve the right to remove access to our wikis on the very rare occasion when we decide it is necessary, but the GFDL license means that the content belongs to the community, and we comply with that license by making backups of all wikis available on a daily basis. We will be happy to provide more information as it becomes available. — Catherine (talk) 03:15, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
This just goes to prove that Wikipedia was an idiot's dream to begin with: sure, we can have all the Freedom and Democracy we want until somebody gets offended! I thoroughly enjoyed the SpankingArt Wikia, but, as with all things inherently "democratic" (barring all classical use of the term), the Powers That Be ignore Majority Rule in favour of Minority Rule, those small groups who wanna bitch about some hypermoralistic semantics and just so happen to have the entire system by the shorthairs. Ignore guaranteed rights, ignore observation of the law, and ignore popular opinion: after all, this is Wikipedia, the People's Encyclopedia, right?
The apparent lack of professionalism exhibited by Wikia, Inc. in the SpankArt Wiki "review" process is astounding. It's been four days since the wiki in dispute has been taken offline, and yet the company has still failed to issue a single clear comment to the community elucidating the fate of the content or the progress or conclusions of its administrative review. There has been no transparency, no timeline, indeed no overt indication whatsoever of any formal protocol being followed. All we know is that some complaint about the wiki's content was too much for this multi-million-dollar hosting company to handle decisively "on a Friday afternoon" (or, evidently, the successive three afternoons). From the mute, lethargic proceedings here, one can infer that this simple wiki poses a de novo test for Wikia that has been incomprehensibly "difficult to deal with" by employees who are supposedly paid for their understanding of copyright law and their own company's objective policies. Ridiculous! -Chip Wilson Qpwoeiritu 04:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
If it's gone permanently I'll never have anything to do with wikia ever again or anyone who maintains material here. EVERYONE is offended by something and we all have the choice as to what we view. Get over it.
Let me start with an apology.

This has been a difficult decision for us at Wikia. We support communities, but in order to do so, we also need to respect the advertisers who pay our bills and the viewers who visit our sites. We believe there is a place for the community, but unfortunately not on Wikia. This was not a hasty decision, although recent complaints have pushed it forward faster than I would have liked.

The first thing to say, is that the content is safe. We have a full copy of the database and will make it available at any time for the community. We will help transfer this information to a new host and are willing to provide free technical support if needed to get the wiki restarted. We are very aware of the spirit of the GFDL and the open source movement and support it. This is YOUR content, and we will ensure it is safe and available for you. That is our first priority as a steward of your work.

Wikia is supported by advertising and our advertisers told us early on that they would have issues with being on this site. As a result, we have hosted the site without commercial advertising for some time, which meant no revenue and ever increasing costs and we were prepared to continue doing so. Recently, we started getting complaints about the content from users and visitors and unfortunately other Wikia wiki volunteers. The wiki's topic, while innocent in its founder's intent, was easy for a new visitor to mis-interpret and get upset about.

Spankart was very agreeable to working on these content problems and at no time do we believe the community violated any laws. However it became clear to us that it wouldn't be possible to clear all the content that was causing disquiet, while still keeping to the topic and goals of the wiki. There would always be the potential for controversial content, especially on a topic where eroticism and childhood experience are so inextricably tied. Given that we were already losing money supporting the project, we reached a tipping point.

What we hope to do now is support Spankart in finding a new host and assist in transferring the content. We support your right to free speech and wish you well. We hope you can similarly understand that there were real business reasons why we had to make this choice and that you can find room in your hearts to forgive us.

Gil (talk) 05:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
BTW, in case there is any confusion, "Wikipedia Review" seems to be formed by a bunch of people who criticize and review Wikipedia, instead of being a sub-group of Wikipedia as the name might lead some to infer. -Afker 06:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
As much as I've, at times, had problems with some of the child related content on this wiki, I've always supported it because I think its continued existence is a pretty clear cut free speech issue. If wiki editors were offended by content then they should have edited it rather than lobby to have it removed. If I were such an editor I would feel a deep sense of shame at my own hypocrisy. The correct answer to objectionable speech is, as always, more speech. Removing this wiki is a cowardly act no matter how you dress it up and doing so is clearly against Wikia's mission statement. I think the world should know that in this corner of the supposedly free internet a whole group of people's ability to express themselves is being forcibly taken away.
Could someone forward this story to the New York Times and other appropriate news agencies please. Anonyq2005 14:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)anonyq2005
Unfortunately it seems the brave new world of Wicki is in fact just another slave of corporate advertising….Please let us not offend any cooperation as “They” always represent the public interest, and free speech….NOT! A “business decision” is surely not the most pressing concern for an organization that is supposed to be about free speech? And yet it is. Gil states “ We support your right to free speech” I say no..no…you don’t , and you have lost any claim to doing so. Disappointed, Ralph
Give Gil Another Day To Fix This Wiki
I think Gil Penchina and Wikia still have a limited opportunity to support "free speech," although credibility is eroding fast with every hour that the wiki under discussion remains unavailable.
To make a good-faith effort at reconciling his business practice of culling non-violatory content with an ethical position defending free speech, duty would fall upon Gil himself to locate an alternate no-cost host for the SpankingArt Wiki--and ideally, he would have left SpankingArt online at Wikia until the move were complete. Now, I'm not sure there is logical room for an honest free speech platform at a business that puts content on trial before advertisers and ideological censors, but with this wiki down for the better part of a week in the absence of objective cause, it is clear that Gil hasn't been making any such good-faith effort toward accommodation. He's been all about the lip-service, though.
Consider the hypothetical, but increasingly plausible, case that Wikia, Inc. defaults on the ideals of the "free culture" movement of which it purports to be part: specifically, consider that Wikia is "lock[ing] down culture and control[ling] creativity" by putting content on trial before advertisers and ideological censors. What does this mean for the competitive future of the company? I'll admit to concern-trolling here, because I personally don't care if Wikia turns profit or not. But it seems that without their ideals, Wikia has no purpose, no edge. Their wiki software is open-source stuff that any shlub can install on his server; their advertising-based business model is conventional, perhaps even retrograde. Is it possible that competitors will snatch up a cast-off "free culture" mantle and beat Wikia over the head with it, cultivating the more controversial, creative, and intellectual communities and reaping the rich advertising revenue that can be associated with this demographic when a smart and respectful entrepreneur engages it??
Wikia is a relatively new company, and Gil maybe deserves an extended opportunity to put his money where his mouth is in terms of this free speech thing. So in response to Anonyq's call for a referral the the NYT (actually, I'd recommend Slashdot, Wired, or DailyKos), I think Gil and crew should be given another day to try harder--to "find room in his heart," if you will--to accommodate the "SpankingArt" community. -Chip Wilson Qpwoeiritu 20:24, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikia had to choose between the principles they claimed to support, and corporate sponsorship. They made their decision - money was more important.
Now I have to choose between the principles Wikia claimed to support, and Wikia as it really is. I've made my decision - integrity is more important.
Let's Outsource Wikia, Inc. to Turkey, China, or Iran.
Gil Penchina and any other senior management at Wikia, Inc. behind the decision to can this wiki ought to be reassigned to China, Turkey, or maybe Iran, where their commitment to freedom of expression will be more resonant with the status quo.
Take a moment to consider an example of a principled stand on freedom of expression, that of blog host Wordpress.com (and owner Matt Mullenweg) versus the government of Turkey. Last year, a petty creationist cult leader named Adnan Oktar strong-armed the Turkish judiciary into banning access to ALL of Wordpress.com for the entire 70 million people of Turkey, just because some "unpleasant" things were said about him on a Wordpress blog. Wordpress could have easily knuckled under to the judgment and removed the disputed material. Few people would have noticed, few would have cared, and Wordpress could have enjoyed a broader international audience and made money from Turkish users. But they chose to defend the blogger, who had done nothing wrong. Although to this day Wordpress.com remains blocked throughout an entire nation, they embraced a principled stand and obviously are still in business with their corporate dignity intact. Read Matt Mullenweg's blog here: http://wordpress.com/blog/2007/08/19/why-were-blocked-in-turkey/; then come back and read Gil's post again. You tell me who's the "weakest link." If you were Amazon's Jeff Bezos and had a few million dollars to invest in making the Web a better place, to whom would YOU give it??
I propose that we mail Gil and any of the other complicit corporate directors of Wikia a one-way airline ticket to Turkey (or China, or Iran) so these individuals can go work for kindred spirits in the government there. Personally, I am good for $500 on this offer. Riddance, please!!
-Chip Wilson Qpwoeiritu 04:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I have no interest in debating politics. All I know is that hundreds of hours of my work is gone and the explanation seems pretty flimsy. Next time, if there is a next time, I will approach community projects with a bit more cynicism.
A "almost brand-spanking-new" copy of the wiki has been recovered to spankingart.org; it seems to only cover up to 24 January 2008 but at least all is not lost.
As said above, the content is safe, and fully available. Any user can download their work, there's no need for "one last chance to download a copy". Once the new site is providing up-to-date downloads, I guess that won't be needed any more, but while this is the current copy it's available (and it is current, it was taken after editing stopped on the old wiki). I appreciate Carlb's good intent, but as Spankart had already said, we have been working with him to ensure the move to a new host is smooth and successful. -- sannse (talk) 10:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The new "official" host will be Anime OTK:
animeotk.com/forum/showthread.php/re_spanking_art-2839/index.html
The site is not ready for the public yet. The folks working on the project at Anime OTK are RobM
animeotk.com/forum/member.php?u=4 —This unsigned comment is by 85.195.119.14 (wall • contribs) . Please sign your comments by adding "~~~~" in source editor.
The frustration in this community is understandable, but participants should keep a rational focus and avoid disrespect where it is not warranted. In particular, disparagement of Anime-OTK, Spankart, and Wikia staff (i.e. technical staff, as opposed to management) by 85.195.119.14 is misdirected. Anime-OTK may have some restrictions, but hey--at least they have been upfront about them. Spankart has been assertive on behalf of his community. Wikia staff such as Sannse have at least ostensibly been helpful. There is only one steaming turd in this punchbowl, and as already mentioned that would be Wikia, Inc. senior management. Everyone else has been respectful and has tried to be helpful and we need to keep that in mind even if things are not moving as fast as we'd like. Here are my suggestions for moving forward.
1. The group's founder, Spankart, is in charge of the move. People who do things on their own (such as obtaining new domains, starting new servers, posting links to what might be called "internal process" related to the move, and so forth) are undoubtedly well-meaning, but cause confusion because their actions are not coordinated with the group leader's efforts. If you want to help, ask Spankart how you can do it.
2. I don't think it matters whether or not the new domain is linked here or not. Trolls may be unintelligent, but they can use "the Google". Just wait until middle-school lets out for the day, and they'll be back. The emphasis should be on making sure that the new sysadmins will ignore trollage for the juvenilia that it is.
3. I would argue in favor of a link at the old URL, spankingart.wikia.com, as well as a brief explanation of what instigated the move. We must not stigmatize this law-abiding, respectful community by conveying any impression that the community was "kicked" for violations. Something that says the community was evicted only because Wikia's management was not making AdSense money on it would be appropriate.
-Chip Qpwoeiritu 19:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Best to ignore the trollage as the work of outsiders (especially as the address in question is http://anonymouse.org - an anon proxy). As long as the data and domains are safe and are ready, everything at this point is merely waiting for Spankart's word as to what happens next. This is as it should be. And yes, it is far cheaper to pay the under-$10 cost of a domain and then not use it (or redirect it, or transfer it, depending what the community decides) than to do nothing and leave the domain open for cybersquatter or linkspam registrants. The current UDRP is a joke, and a costly one, but ultimately it's ICANN that needs to clean up that system. --carlb 20:39, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
The Spanking Art wiki is now officially relaunched at the URL http://spankingartwiki.animeotk.com/. Every user who has edited on our wiki before can continue to login with their old username and password.
I would like to thank Sannse and TOR from Wikia very much for their friendly help in transferring the wiki and setting everything up, together with our new host Anime OTK. I'd like to ask Wikia, if possible, to make a link or redirection from our old URL http://spankingart.wikia.com/ to our new URL, instead of displaying this. I would also like to ask Carl, if possible, to redirect from the domain he reserved for us to our new URL. Spankart 23:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations on the relaunch. I'm impressed how quickly and - as far as I can tell - smoothly it went. I want to say "Thank you very much" to everyone who was involved in the relaunch. Jack80 02:36, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Some in question, but still a fine site.
Hello. I have posted on spanking art and was very happy with this site. I will not doubt there were a couple of pictures in question, one had 5 children walking hand in hand in a circle all nude with the 3 boy's penis's clearly showing, and that could be called child porn, but the question is, isn't child porn when a child or chilren pose exposed against their will? That's what I always thought. Anyway, I hope there could be a chance this site could be brought back up because it was very informative and over all a very good site. Thank you.
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