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Far Queue. Gary Waters. Topic last updated on March at Username: Password: Remember Me? Lost Password I want to Sign-Up. Ski Forum Index Austria. Latest images on this Topic First things first; Stansted Airport. What a pleasure it is to fly from this well organised airport. Maybe a different story for those who use Ryanair or Easyjet, but then thats what you get when you pay for the cheapies and the scrumming that goes with it I guess. We met at check in at 7. Inghams had a rep on duty who wanted to check people off, and make sure ski carriage had been paid for. He was very jovial and chatty, and also helped with moving all the bags. Stansted has an outsize baggage check in which is far better than Gatwick where you throw your ski bags on a trolley. Here you actually put them on a conveyor and they go through x ray, and only then when they are on the way to the plane are you allowed to leave them. Far far better. Decent choice of facilities through the other side, much improved security with lots of channels open. We just about had time for a Weatherspoons breakfast and first drink or 4 of the day before we took the shuttle round to the plane. Austrian Airlines; what a refreshing business this was. Efficient, clean, organised, punctual. It was a Fokker which only seats people with 2 on the left and 3 on the right, but the legroom was the most I have ever had in economy anywhere. Makes First Choice, Thomas Cook etc look like sardine cans. We took off bang on time, the flight was smooth and quicker than expected, food was served and drinks offered free of charge, and after 90 minutes we were flying between the snow capped mountains of the Inn Valley and landing at Innsbruck. Innsbruck Airport ; its not the biggest by any means, but an improved passport control means no waiting on the runway like before. Bags were already on the carousel when we came through, and skis had been positioned as always against the wall outside departures. This may seem an odd system, and some people were a little concerned their skis might 'walk' but as long as you are aware this is the norm its fine. Unfortunately it was 18c in Innsbruck, despite there being plenty of snow on the ground. It was seriously warm, and we had an hour to wait for the Gatwick flight to come in, so we headed strangely enough to the little bar in arrivals. Top tip - don't bother going up to the fancy pants cafe upstairs, the little bar downstairs has draught beer, coffee, snacks etc all at reasonable prices. Just not many seats, but then we wanted to go out into the sun anyway. The Gatwick flight finally arrived a few minutes late and we were on the bus and on the way. Inghams had plenty of reps at the airport and finding the transfer bus was a breeze. Ours was specifically for our hotel with no other stops or drop offs. The rep on board was pleasant and helpful, but far too slow in getting round with the welcome packs and sorting out lift passes, ski hire etc. He seemed to do a lot of faffing around with paperwork. Luckily we sorted our lift passes on board and picked them up later that evening at reception. Sporthotel St Christoph; Inghams and Esprit sister companies jointly run this hotel under the Inghams banner. It has a swimming pool, sauna room, 2 adjoining restaurants, 2 bars sport bar and lounge bar with reasonably priced drinks 4. Reception was manned 24 hours, and the lift took you up to the 3 floors of well equipped, clean, large bedrooms. We walked out the first evening and found the few bars deserted or closed, and had time only for 1 drink at the top of the hill before they closed at 6pm and wanted us out! Back to the hotel bar then Luckily, the hotel bar was well priced as mentioned, and had plenty of seats with a nice open log fire as well. There are a couple of bars on piste just at the end of the blue runs into the village including the Hospiz Alm which is famous for its slide downstairs to the toilets. Unfortunately this bar was stupidly over priced and the staff anything but welcoming. Its not clear whether there is an issue generally with the English, or Inghams guests maybe, but they were quite rude. Never before in Austria have I come across this kind of attitude, so my guess is they're royally peed off about the financial situation with the UK not agreeing to bail the Euro out. Outside the hotel is a drag lift with bunny slopes for kids and beginners, and a double T Bar which allows access onto a fairly short blue back into the village, but from which you can ski in to the piste side bars the best of which is the Alberg Alm highest up and the oldest rustic looking one - see photo below and also you can ski across the road into the St Christoph chair which opens at 9am. I could have had an hour in by then The St Christoph 4 man chair whisks you up to Galzig, one of St Antons main areas at m, and from the Galzigbahn gondola station at the top you can ski back down to the village on blue 8, which can be seen in the background of the photo above. So, Sunday morning came round with eager anticipation. The sky was blue, the sun was out, and there was plenty of snow on the mountains, albeit a little packed and hard. We decided to split into 2 groups as I had kind of expected; those who wanted to head off and explore and who were experienced skiers that was 8 of us and those who wanted to bumble around and get their feet on the local blues around St Christoph. Wickers came out to play and brought along his new big bobble. We soon found ourselves on the famous Kandahar run, black 2, without having planned to, so legs were warmed up sooner than expected. Galzig has a collection of runs all linked with chairs, a large gondola and a T Bar down into the valley below where St Anton lies at m. To ski into St Anton from this side, you effectively have to head down into the valley at Streissbachtal underneath the Schindler Spitze and ski down blue 4 and blue 1, which leads you into town past all the famous piste side bars, including the Mooserwirt and Krazy Kangharu. Doing this run early in the morning is an absolute pleasure, but as most people use it to head down, it gets very busy and chops up badly by about lunchtime - especially in warm temperatures! This is what blue 4 and 1 regularly look like, and its twice as busy at 4pm: There is a collection of huts and bars along the lower end as you approach St Anton, and we found the Heustadl to be the best for us in terms of location, food quality, price and atmosphere. Here it is from above: They serve superb food at great prices. Grostl with Sauerkraut was 10,90 euros and was enormous: Lunch on the first day was taken at the Ulmer Hutte which sits under the Valluga peak off red 14, which in the main junction point at the top. From here you can turn left and take blue 4 down the valley into St Anton, or head down to catch the Schindlergrat chair up to m and take the start of red 14, the ski route off Schindler Kar which we did several times or carry on down blue 17 to Alpe Rauz and the link into Stuben. Blue 17 seemed to be most peoples favourite run. We hit it early one morning about 9. It could not have been a lot better. It runs for a few miles down to m, and you can ride the Valfegehr chair heated seats, covers and tissues available back up or ski on down to Stuben. This is the view from the Albona I chair in Stuben looking up the valley at Galzig. You can see the run at the bottom into Stuben, and high in the background is blue 17 sweeping down into the valley. Down at the bottom here is the rustic old village of Stuben. There are several superb cafes, bars and restaurants here, and you can catch the bus on to Sonnenkopf or round to Zurs and Lech, or back to St Anton if you dont want to ski back. We headed up the Albona chair and on to the deserted pistes of Stuben which turned out to be a fantastic surprise. The snow was better over here despite the highest point only being m. However be warned - the 2 long Albona chair lifts are slow, painfully long, and exposed to shaded and windy areas. You can pick up a blanket and the bottom and drop it off at the top - much needed on the last morning when it was minus 15 up there. The slopes are all red higher up, wonderfully sweeping runs back down either into Mittelstation where theres a lovely restaurant, or back down into Stuben. You can also take the S1 blue run off across into Alpe Rauz which will bring you back to the Valfegehr chair and back into Galzig quickly. We spent 2 superb mornings over at Stuben, where the off piste is also extensive and the snow seems to keep particularly well. Wickers had a trek over to Stuben with us early in the week and liked it, but this was shortly before his knee packed in. Stuben: One of the best runs, especially after decent snow fall, is ski route 18 which runs off the side higher upo from blue 17 down to Alpe Rauz. Its basically an unpisted track which then opens up into tons of off piste, and we had a great hour on here on the last morning: Shame about the snow, eh???? You ride the 4 man chair out of town up to m, or take the Nasserain gondola from further across town, and this brings you out at a plateau at Gampen where there are a number of cafes and where ski schools tend to meet. I had hoped that Stewart and his group might find their way over here as its perfect for more timid skiers, but they only did so whilst on a lesson one morning sadly. You can then ride the Kapall chair up to the peak of Kapall at m where 3 of us made it up to one very foggy morning as this was the only clear section in the area, and we found ourselves skiing in shin deep powder ON the pistes! It was a different story on our last day where conditions were absolutely perfect, with views right across to Rendl and both ways down the valley: Talking of Rendl, this is a separate area across the valley from Galzig and Gampen, but should not be ignored. There is a new gondola installed last season which makes acess much better from town, but its still never as busy and there is a lovely variety of slopes, from cruisy blues at mid station, steep reds higher up, ski routes with moguls and tons of off piste. It may only be a small area, but the amount of skiing is infinite. Rendl does have some interesting ski routes and stacks of off piste to go at. We took Mrs W through the trees which she seemed to enjoy somewhat, despite her shrieking on the way down!!!! Here are some shots at Rendl. The top of Rendl peak at m, the start or Red R2 which is quite steep: Here is Ellistine going down R2: Skidaddle assessing the way down one of the reds: Mrs H skiing off the mountain on the glorious and long Abfahrt at the end of the afternoon: Round the Flexen Pass from Stuben, and down the back of the Valluga Peak lie the villages of Lech and Zurs. I had never skied round there before, so we decided to head over and take a look one morning when it was cloudy and foggy round in St Anton. We skied down to Stuben and picked up the Postbus for 2. This meant leaving Lech until later in the week. We headed straight up the Trittkopf cable car, a real old fashioned thing which took you back to the James Bond films. At the top here is only one run, red 7, but when you get up there you see why its so popular. Its right away from it all, a lovely long sweeping and in part steep red, with just infinite amounts of off piste off the edges everywhere. Sadly no cafe up here but some splendid views, and we were blessed by the cloud clearing and the sun coming through: Left to right: Mrs H, Ellistine, Steve reader on here , Mrs W, Skidaddle, Mrs Ellistine. We skied back down into Zurs, and then headed up the other side of the valley on the Seekopf and Zunnega chairs, where there are some delightful cruisy reds and blues, and where we felt our less experienced party members would really love the skiing. There is also an excellent cafe at Seekopf under the Madloch-Joch peak. Some of the snow over here was sensational, and the slopes were literally deserted: Needless to say there was much whooping and giggling going on here. After lunch, our 'piece de resistence'. We headed up the Muggengrat as I wanted to do the long red that winds back into Zurs, but the snow underneath us as we went up the chair looked amazing, and so finally convinced everyone in the group to have a go. I believe Mrs W got a stiff telling off from Ian when she told him we had gone off piste onto non patrolled sectors. BUT it was amazing. Thick snow which was only tracked in places, leaving miles of fresh in which to make pretty patterns and generally feel like we were a million miles from reality: After playing around here for a while, we headed over the back to do the Muggengrat red, but sadly it was thick fog all the way down and almost impossible to see your own tips in front of you so we took it slowly and missed all the wonderful views hidden in cloud. Zurs was lovely, and we decided to head back another morning and bring all the gang over, but unfortunately on that day the ski bus was packed and didn't stop and the next one was an hours wait, so those of us who wanted to get on and ski took off into St Anton and the others waited an hour and got a couple of hours skiing in over in Zurs, which they said they found really good fortunately. Lech would require another week to ski the whole area in my opinion, and consistently has the best snow record in the Alps year in year out. So, as can be seen a good week was had by us all, in particularly the group of us who just wanted to get out and ski first lift to last lift. Its now my 2nd time in St Anton, and as enjoyable as it was, I don't think I'd rush to go back again in the near future. I certainly wouldn't stop in St Christoph, despite the hotel and access being very good, it was just too quiet and with our group being mixed ability it was almost impossible to arrange to meet up elsewhere around the mountain. However for anyone who enjoys good standard skiing, off piste, and a challenge, I'd recommend it as a place to ski at least once in your life. As for the banging nightlife, we are all too knackered to bother once we had got back to St Christoph for dinner. Inghams Hotel St Christoph was perfect, decent food and a selection of wines over dinner too. Reasonable bar prices, good rooms, decent sized ski and boot room with individual places for your skis and boots according to your room number. Ski in ski out, pool and sauna. You cannot go wrong if you like it quiet. Austrian Airlines, superb. Mountain Huts and restaurants; all of a good standard, with the best in our opinion being the Heustahl on blue 1 and the Seekopf at Zurs. Expect to pay around 4,50 to 5 for a large beer which whilst its not cheap, for a major resort is pretty acceptable. Spag bol was around 9 euros, Wiener Schnitzel 12 euros, 4 euros for a coke though in some places so you may as well have a beer. Take your own water with you and choccy bars! Rendl beach is a nice place to sit in the sun and watch the world ski by. Deckchairs and posing galore. Weather; for March I was delighted with conditions. Austria has been lucky with snow this season and there was so much already there before we went. We skied on hard packed pistes day 1, through to deep powder and soft fluffy off piste midweek, and every skiers dream on the last morning - pisted fresh snow with a topping of around 20cm. Piste bashing is pretty good across the mountains. Thanks for that Tony, it looks like somewhere i would enjoy but sadly don't expect to visit anytime soon. Greetings from J2ski on tour! Many thanks Tony, excellent report. Glad to see you had a good time. Sorry to hear about Wickers, hope he recovers soon. There are some nice pics there, just had another look and it really makes me pine for the slopes again. Apart from the one of the busy piste and the borders sat on their ass. J2Ski Sites for Close. Apartments Chalets Hotels Packages Close.

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Just returned from Hinterstoder in Upper Austria small resort, zero Brits , and the Intersport rental prices were eye watering there. More or less the same as in St. The food was reasonably priced. The mountain well maintained, the hotels were not rip offs but not cheap either. Much cheaper for kids if adults bought simultaneously. You need to Login to know who's really who. Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. We drive and have an inside slope an hour away so we jus make sure to make use of it all year round now! You'll need to Register first of course. Then you can post your own questions or snow reports After all it is free. Thanks all. So there is nowhere in St Anton to get the sort of discounts available everywhere else? You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. Just a word of warning, hired from the cheapest in St Anton Hervis last year and ended up returning and going to Intersport. Awful condition of skis, even for rentals although supposed to be premium and no better when asked for different skis. Ski the Net with snowHeads. MontyP wrote: Thanks all. No because it's a cartel. Hervis is likely cheapest but probably more than Hervis elsewhere. Drive and reny en route cheapest option. And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. On our last trip to St Anton we took a taxi to Pettneu next village , asked the driver to wait, hired skis and came back - saved a fortune. Can't remember the name of the hire shop but you'll find it in a google search. So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much. As baddersmad wrote. Hervis will be the cheapest as it is a national chain with fixed prices. The equipment can be The Arlberg is the most expensive part of Austria I'm afraid but it really isn't the whole of Austria as the thread title suggests You know it makes sense. I thought the authorities cracked down on that particular cartel just years ago? Has it flourished again? Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:. Worth skiing there the day you hire in case of any issues that need tweaking Thanks again all - unfortunately as I'm time-limited on this trip and won't have a car, will probably just have to pay the going rate. I'll amend the thread title if an experienced user can tell me how to do this. MontyP , amen the first post- click on the scissors icon to the right of the post. Do a Google search on price fixing and at Anton and that will pretty much answer your question. Quote: On our last trip to St Anton we took a taxi to Pettneu next village , asked the driver to wait, hired skis and came back - saved a fortune. I wonder what became of that taxi driver? Always funny this 'it's a cartel' nonsense, only when talking about ski-rental Why is nobody mentioning the hotel-cartel in St. Anton or Lech? Or in St. Tropez, Courchevel etc etc etc? And what about the apres-cartel; the restaurant-cartel? And hey, isn't that Arlberg-skipass actually quite reasonable for such a large area? Stop the complaining, you came to St. Anton knowing it is worldfamous, didn't you? Pay for it! We used the Sports place next to the Nasserien gondola, and booking through AlpinResort using a discount code. This was closest to where we were staying. Langerzug , Exactly That's one of the reason the US visitors come. There's competition for ski hire in St Anton like every other free market economy in the world, if you hire from Alber Sport and Sport Jennewein you are paying for the best gear and also location, plenty of cheaper places down the valley if you want older and lack of convenience. My friends have just got discount off from one of the above two, by talking to them and doing a deal, this cartel nonsense is like a broken record If I was cycling in the Alps in summer I wouldn't rock up to the nearest bike shop to Alpe D'Huez and complain about the cost of bikes and want to go down the valley to get an older cheaper bike, I'd want the best to get the most out of my trip, or even better take my own I give him quite a generous tip. Markymark29 , a bit harsh, as the OP points out and I agree the hire pricing in the Arlberg is more expensive than similiar sized quality resorts ie Tignes. On the reverse the beers, lift pass and eating out are cheaper than France in my experience so it probably balances out!! Also 'hiring down the valley' is not at all 'older' kit, we've had great gear hired from Sonnenkompf. Take it you mean Sonnenkopf? He said after that holiday it definitely wasn't worth it, and he hires now in town for the younger members of his team, and the older guys have all bought. Nowadays he is too. Markymark29 , I've hired there 3 times, went back one evening after skiing to get a set of boots swopped. No hassle at all and missed zero skiing. Hey, its up to you, I know where i'd be hiring, and my friends are at the weekend, all 10 of them at Jennewein and no complaints, they are there for skiing not running around looking for bargains. So why is it that it's so expensive? Just thought I'd nudge the thread back on track. Matrski , because of price fixing is the answer. Our group when we visited almost all bought their own skis in the weeks before we left, many secondhand, and including ski carriage it was cheaper than renting in any of the local shops we could find. Given the quality of the rental equipment, it was a complete no brainer, could have chucked the skis in the bin at the end of the week and still made sense, effectively many had a free pair of skis vs the rental cost. Can't argue with the service in the highly profitable shops though, I took boots purchased in the UK to a local shop and they spent a good half an hour with a range of expensive looking machines to get them fitting better, and simply wouldn't accept payment. I ended up agreeing to put 10 euros in the tip jar, which they almost refused to allow! Quote: Matrski, because of price fixing is the answer. You sure about that? Maybe I should suggest the leading shop owners make contact with you to discuss? Markymark29 wrote: Quote: Matrski, because of price fixing is the answer. Marky, you seem to be taking this very personally? I should say that I have never been to St Anton, but I would like to go one day. Quote: Maybe I should suggest the leading shop owners make contact with you to discuss? Ah yes because a member of a cartel is bound to be honest about the situation to a random. Anton is an insult We are not contesting that Arlberg is more expensive. We know it is; and we think we are worth it. It is just this nonsense of 'it is a cartel' 'those blasfemists', 'those devils who are not playing by the 'free market rules' Is anyone complaining about the price of a Coca-Cola, or an iPhone? Do you think that type of huge multinationals have fair prices? Think again For a fair comparison you should look at the same dates for both resorts. It could be that St Anton is giving a lower discount because you are within a month of the hire date. Sack the Juggler , I know the people well that people are putting down on here. Anton on-line hire via Skiset or euro on-line at Jennerwein. I understand whilst waiting he posted a few trolling threads on a certain skiing forum. Markymark29 wrote: Sack the Juggler , I know the people well that people are putting down on here. Quote: Four sports shops in St. Anton am Arlberg have been sentenced to fines in the total amount of , euros on account of illegal collusion over twelve years. The judgment of the Cartel Court fell on April 28, it is legally binding. Agreements in goods and services The companies were accused of anti-competitive price-fixing in winter sports equipment and related services, such as rental and servicing of skis taken. In addition, the company had the market by 'Nichtabwerbevereinbarungen' divided and prohibited recommendations. The defendants incidents occurred between 1 July and March 4, The Company and the office parties waived an appeal, the decision is now final. And the Intersport prices in St Anton are exactly the same as the Sport prices. We are all in business to make a profit, but based on this, I'll leave the slopes of St Anton well alone, which means more space for you and your mates to go skiing, so everyone's happy! New Topic Post Reply. Snow Snow Snow! Solo Skiers v Groups - Orga Archives Lost and Found Ski Club of Great Britain To one side secret Mountain Hideout snowShops You cannot post to forums until you login You cannot read some forums until you login Read about snow conditions : snow conditions And leave your own snow report : snow report Find advice to help plan your ski holidays : ski holidays The snowHeads Ski Club : Ski Club 2. Terms and conditions Privacy Policy. Snow Reports. Last edited by Poster: A snowHead on Mon ; edited 1 time in total. Last edited by Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? After all it is free After all it is free. MontyP wrote:. So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much. Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name: Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:. Markymark29 wrote:. Last edited by You need to Login to know who's really who. Last edited by Then you can post your own questions or snow reports Four sports shops in St.

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