SYNTHESIS about MISA ch.16: ASHRAM (part 1)
ASH LEE RAMIn the Hindu tradition, an ashram is a group of houses intended for spiritual retreats and practices. The duration of the retreat is usually limited, unlike a monastery, where the retreat is very long or even permanent.
For MISA, the ashram is the material basis for carrying out its activities, since many of them involve maintaining strict secrecy and complete isolation, given the bizarre, dubious, immoral and often illegal nature of its teachings and practices.
MISA's activity cannot be conceived without ashrams. Without them, the organization could only have held banal courses. It is no coincidence that the major media scandals related to MISA appear with the emergence of the first ashrams, with people who left home and took refuge in those isolated locations, which did not allow contact with their families and the outside world. And it is no coincidence that the March 2004 raids against MISA mainly targeted its ashrams.
MISA has always claimed that ashrams are "spiritual settlements", intended only to facilitate spiritual practices and retreats for those who had no other option. In reality, access was limited and subject to strict rules, and the controlled way of life led to the emergence of groups of more indoctrinated students, a kind of "army" under MISA's orders. Both the service groups and the order-keeping groups that were essential in organizing activities and camps, are mainly made up of ashram residents. Isolation from families and the outside world, as well as their material dependence, contributed greatly to their indoctrination. Not coincidentally, the groups that picketed the courts where MISA trials took place were also mainly made up of these ashram residents.
Another significant fact is that the establishment of these ashrams was initially very centralized. Although there were initiatives to establish such locations in the provinces, by people with financial means, they were strangely discouraged, although, as far as yoga courses were concerned, they began early (even from the second year of the course) to be held in homes made available by students or instructors. This fact contradicts the main purpose of ashrams, that of supporting spiritual practice for those without means, as well as being genuine spiritual centers.
The explanation waved by those around Bivolaru was that, according to the esoteric tradition, everything had to start first from the Center and then expand to the periphery. In fact, the hidden motivation had two aspects:
➢ resources had to be channeled first to Bucharest and Costinești (on the Black Sea shore, the venue for the summer yoga camps), so that MISA could create a material base (headquarters, library, printing house, camp command headquarters, lecture and conference rooms for secret initiations, places to stay for those coming from the provinces, but especially refuges ("small villas" - "vilutze" in Romanian), because the "Spiritual Guide" was eager to have safe places where he could "initiate" as many of the young students as possible into the mysteries of tantric sexuality...)
➢ A functioning model (internal regulations and the practice of karma yoga) had to be established at the Center, which would be adopted by the other locations in the rest of the country, in order to achieve the goals proposed by establishing these ashrams.
In the early years of MISA's operation, there was an "initiative" to establish a "Tibetan school" in a kind of "campus", together with an individual later proven to be a hoaxer, the Bulgarian Zvezdomir Marinov, a self-proclaimed "Jesus".
The first ashrams were a great attraction, especially for those from the provinces, who wanted to be as close as possible to Gregorian Bivolaru (nicknamed "Grieg"). Many left their families, schools, and jobs, thus causing many problems with the police, as a result of complaints from families who reported them as "missing or kidnapped".
But despite the problems with the authorities, the establishment or operation of these ashrams was never abandoned, precisely because they were essential, practically indispensable, for what MISA was designed to become.
Complaints began to appear from some of those living in those ashrams, who deplored many aspects, starting from the poor accommodation conditions, insufficient food, exploitation through labor, drastic regulations, and the harshness of the leaders of these "spiritual settlements". Some complaints about the lifestyle in the ashrams were the subject of the human trafficking case that targeted many MISA members after the raids of March 18, 2004, a case that ended with acquittals (a list of the complaints, as well as the MISA ashrams, is contained in the indictment of the prosecutors from the crime fighting office. (archived)
The climax of the complaints was when a message from some students living in the ashram was published on the blog of the former MISA lawyer Mihai Rapcea, titled
There is no spiritual evolution through fear - about the shocking drama of the yogis in the ashrams of MISA (link)
(The statements contained in this anonymous message will be analyzed and commented on in detail later in this post.)
Although the statements in this anonymous message could not be fully verified, it is worth noting that, at the time of its publication on the internet - August 1, 2013, the message contained some things that were later confirmed, including following the investigation launched by the French authorities on November 28, 2023.
The confirmed aspects are:
➢ Bivolaru's presence in Paris, although he denied this in a telephone interview, in which he stated that he was in Sweden:
Bivolaru, on the phone: "When this conspiracy, this satanic government will collapse, then you will see that my hypostasis of victim and criminal will transform overnight into a great hero. Remember these words, they are prophetic!”
reporter: But what seems to have bothered Bivolaru the most is the statement made the other day by the Romanian Police that he is no longer in Sweden. On Saturday, he called from a public phone and contacted the editorial office:
Bivolaru: "I live in the city of Karlskrona and I have received political asylum. I am now calling you from Sweden, I got my phone card, you will be able to check the number!” (video 1)
reporter: Guru Bivolaru makes a public statement. He decided to break his silence after the Romanian Police announced on Friday that he was no longer in Sweden.
Bivolaru on the phone: I found out from people who called me that some tendentious and completely false statements were made such as that I had left Sweden, or that this is not true. No authority has looked for me, neither the Romanian Police nor the Swedish Police here, where I live, and it is a blatant lie that happened.
reporter: Gregorian Bivolaru wants to give an exclusive reply to the police statement that he was no longer in Sweden. He called from a public phone and claimed that he was in a city in southern Sweden. (video 2)
➢ the fact that Bivolaru brings women to Paris to have sexual relations with them
➢ in the film from Bivolaru's apartment in Paris, shown on MisaTV after the French police raids, ready-made packages with various objects (perfumes) could be observed, probably to be given as gifts to the women students attending his home
➢ over 200,000 euros were found in Bivolaru's apartment during the French police raid
➢ the erotic video chats on which MISA students are active were revealed following a journalistic investigation in the Czech Republic
➢ video and even audio surveillance, imposed by Bivolaru himself, with the help of those in the school management (audio)
MISA immediately came up with a typical response to this message. I quote:
article: Important announcement from MISA leaders (link):
The MISA leadership hereby announces that it has already taken note of the existence of a slanderous letter, full of abject, anonymous insinuations, which was posted on its personal website by former student Mihai Rapcea.
We ask ourselves rhetorically: why did these human beings, who are said to be a group and who wrote this letter, not have and did not demonstrate the common sense and minimal honesty to communicate, as was natural and necessary, their names?! What exactly determines them to hide in a cowardly way, just like rats under the thick curtain of anonymity? If what they claim (as only they claim) is true, what exactly determines them to show cowardice? If all this exists, why did they not previously transmit, as was natural, their wishes to the MISA leadership?
The abject attitude is on the part of MISA, which demands full transparency from those making accusations (the identity of those making accusations and evidence from them), while requiring participants in some activities to take the oath that that they will not reveal anything they see or find out there, the oaths being taken BEFORE they participate in the said activities! As for ”the cowardly, anonymous rat attitude” of those making accusations against MISA, we recall the “godly” way in which some people, who exposed MISA, were abusively sued by MISA, which used the false testimony of some of its instructors and students, made with their hand on the Bible and the cross, just to intimidate those who exposed them and who, in the end, won their case in court! And about "transmitting requests to the MISA leadership", the embarrassing theater that MISA is playing is obvious, because everything that happens in the ashrams is precisely the result of the leadership's action, in full knowledge of the facts!
continuation of the MISA announcement:
We would like to announce that after September 20, 2013, this scandalous anonymous letter full of aberrant, slanderous, tendentious accusations and containing countless vile insinuations that are baseless, will be debated within the spiritual settlements of the MISA Yoga School, and we announce that each member of the MISA settlements will come in front of the camera and will make a personal, sincere testimony in which they will freely and unhinderedly express their impressions regarding this anonymous letter. We are already wondering: will Mr. Rapcea admit to posting on his website the hundreds of testimonies of the members of the spiritual community from the MISA settlements? We are inclined to believe even now that Mr. Lawyer Rapcea will not be very willing to do this, because the said testimonies will refute the abject slanders that the said anonymous letter contains. Please note that this is a firm promise we are making and it will be implemented after September 20, 2013. For compliance, from the MISA management.”
This passage fully demonstrates both the wickedness of the MISA leadership and their infinite stupidity, who reveal their vile intentions and actions without even realizing it:
➢ after claiming that “the anonymous message is full of aberrant, slanderous, tendentious accusations and contains vile insinuations without foundation”, as if this message had already been analyzed and debated, those from MISA announce that the message is yet to be debated “within the premises of the MISA Yoga School”!
Any person with a minimum of intelligence wonders: if the debate on the message is yet to come, why has MISA already issued the conclusions? Or if the conclusions have been issued, what is the point of further debate?
Although it is clear that, at first glance, the behavior of the MISA leadership seems illogical, here comes the moment of enlightenment:
➢ the "true" debate was actually already carried out from the very beginning by the MISA leadership and was "confirmed", obviously, by the "affirmative response to consecration from God", and the "debate" that follows actually represents the "personal, sincere testimonies, in which impressions will be expressed freely and unhindered", impressions that are already known, because it is said that these "will refute slander”, so they are ”freely”!
Regarding the challenge addressed by MISA to lawyer Rapcea, he returned with a post in which he described the "debate" that took place at MISA: article: The third letter (link)
And regarding the "firm promise" from MISA, a one-hour report was made, which strongly smells of cheap directing and which was posted on MisaTV, stopping at episode no. 1, although the numbering suggests that there should have been more than that (weren't the hundreds of promised testimonies collected, from each member?):
video: With the books on the table – Ep.1 – The truth about the life of yogis in settlements (link)
The conclusion of the debates is the "prophesized" one: everything is beautiful (even too beautiful!), the MISA ashrams are Heaven on Earth, and the blogs of critics of MISA are hell...
In fact, the conclusion was predictable, since, less than a week after the message appeared (absolutely insufficient time for an internal investigation, but only for the hasty composition of a propaganda response to counter the respective accusatory message), a "reply" appeared containing an account of a MISA employee liar, even one of the three lying witnesses in the trial lost by MISA (link) in connection with an article on this blog:
article: A truly AUTHENTIC testimony of a yogi who lived in a spiritual settlement (ashram) in Romania (link)
Later, only five days after the deadline promised by MISA for the start of the debate, a "punctual analysis" of the anonymous message posted by Rapcea on behalf of the dissatisfied ashram residents appeared: article: The opinion of a group of satisfied yogis living in spiritual settlements (link)
The title suggests that it is not about the opinion of ALL those living in ashrams, but only of the satisfied ones, on whose behalf a single female student signs.
The "opinion" begins with the conclusion, as all opinions at MISA begin! First the conclusion is issued, then the opinions faithfully follow the conclusion issued based on the opinions... 😁
⬧ I quote from "The Opinion of the Group of Satisfied Yogis" (which is actually a single student):
We are dealing with an attempt to destabilize our Yoga School, the intention behind this letter and those that will probably follow is the abolition of all spiritual institutions, the abolition of MISA, the arrest and imprisonment of Grieg (Gregorian Bivolaru). It is a longer-term action, which we believe has been planned down to the smallest detail, and now it has started! As if you could outlaw God! That is why it is good for each of us to supplement our attention, vigilance and discernment and not to listen to the malicious rumors that will seek to divide us in the months to come.
The conclusion is a paranoid conspiracy theory, that through that anonymous letter, the aim is to dismantle the ashrams and MISA, as well as to arrest Bivolaru, although in Romania there was already a criminal case pending against Bivolaru and MISA for human trafficking, with a seizure of MISA's buildings!
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
We must clarify, from the beginning, mainly for those who are not familiar with the subject of this dispute, that spiritual settlements are homes made available to yoga practitioners for a certain period of time, longer or shorter, so that they can deepen their spiritual practice, if they are interested in this subject. This is their purpose and this is what they are limited to. Spiritual settlements are not service homes. It is known that, upon arrival at a spiritual settlement, everyone is informed of the conditions that can be offered to them, as well as the regulations of the settlement. By signing it, everyone therefore undertakes to respect it.
If the MISA leadership is so transparent and well-intentioned and wants to invite only people with spiritual aspirations to the ashrams and avoid profiteers, WHY HAVE THEY NEVER MADE THE ASHRAM REGULATIONS PUBLIC?
And to clarify firmly and clearly, before the applications for registration in the ashrams appear, IF IT IS TRUE that APPLICANTS MUST SWEAR NOT TO DISCLOSE TO ANYONE ANYTHING OF WHAT THEY SEE OR FIND OUT THERE, even though they don't know what they will be participating in!
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
Since every inhabitant of a spiritual settlement can come and go freely wherever they want, why did "they" accept so much so-called misery for so long? Did they want to leave and did someone stop them by force? Who and when?
A possible reason for staying in the ashrams, despite so many inconveniences, is that the residents had no other solution. But there may be another reason, the one for which all students, not just the ashram residents, do not leave the school: the fear, deeply instilled in their minds by the school management, of permanently losing the chance of spiritual liberation and falling into hell! Or maybe because of the vows!
Should the management have clarified firmly and clearly, before the requests for enrollment in the ashrams appeared, IF IT IS TRUE that APPLICANTS HAVE TO SWEAR TO STAY IN THE ASHRAM FOR A CERTAIN MINIMUM PERIOD of TIME (15 YEARS)?
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
It would be more correct to say: Grieg was with us all and each one of us, he worked harder than all of us put together, enduring all kinds of deprivations and hardships, fully assuming them, giving to each according to their merits and without expecting anything in return from us, not even thanks.
Yes, he "worked" more than those on the construction site, over 10 hours a day (see victim's statement below), "talking about yoga" (only with women!), living - just like "Les Miserables" in the misery of Paris, with only two hundred thousand euros in cash on him... "Without expecting anything from us in return".
And then how does he make a living?
victim Bec statement, BBC podacst ”The Bad Guru”, 4. The Guru - min7:sec46 (podcast link):
And he's fuc...ing in the other room for, I don't know, 10 hours, 14 hours, 20 hours. And then, I don't know, he's giving lectures, recording things. You can hear him speaking. You can hear people come and go.
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
He never promised anyone exceptional spiritual achievement if they lived in a spiritual settlement, although many of us have had and continue to have many exceptional achievements.
What are you talking about? During a conference, Bivolaru lured students to come to ashrams for. I quote, "an optimal spiritual atmosphere, in which you will be able to transform yourself spiritually"!
conference Morals and Bad Habits – Bivolaru, message about free courses, August 2015:
Dear male participants, dear female participants, considering that some of you always request free yoga classes, motivating in one way or another the impossibility of paying your monthly course fee, we suggest you consider that there is a possibility of benefiting from completely free yoga course fees, if you accept the invitation to come to the ashram-like spiritual settlements that exist in Bucharest. Please note that in this way you will also benefit from free accommodation and free meals during your integration into spiritual settlements such as ashrams, and at the same time you will have an appropriate setting, as well as an optimal spiritual ambience in which you will be able to transform yourself from a spiritual point of view, together with your colleagues, who are already integrated into spiritual settlements like ashrams in Bucharest. Also, if you know, have met or heard about aspirational human beings who do not have jobs or who do not have the opportunity to pay their yoga class fees, advise them to immediately choose the alternative of coming to live in spiritual settlements like ashrams, which exist in Bucharest.
During this invitation, it will be possible to put an end, so to speak, to the problems that some of you have with paying for yoga classes, respectively the fee, which must be paid monthly. So please note that, starting in September, you are invited, you are invited to integrate into the spiritual settlements like ashrams, in Bucharest. (audio)
"Uh, if you don't have money, but you have aspiration, come to the ashram because you have free accommodation and food, and even bring those you know who have such problems!"
There is no mention of any conditions: no regulations, no karma yoga, no vows, just aspiration! By "free" it is understood that nothing is demanded! If "work in exchange for food or accommodation" is demanded, this means that these cost money, only you don't give money, but work!
After a few years, Bivolaru returned with a new message:
Bivolaru - conference 2020:
Please note that we have not sent any message calling on students of this school to engage in volunteer work or Karma yoga, except for the ashrams administered by this esoteric integral yoga school. If you want to engage in volunteer work or Karma yoga, we really invite you to come in large numbers to our ashrams, where you will have - as is known - free accommodation, free meals and even access to courses for free.
So the invitation is not for those who cannot pay their course fees to come to karma yoga, but for "those who want to engage in volunteering", for the sake of volunteering, meaning people who have a home and a job, who lack nothing and, precisely because they have everything and want to help those who do not, come for the sake of karma yoga and will be accommodated at the ashram, where it is natural for them to have food, accommodation and courses provided, because they work all this time! It is not implied from this that those who live in ashrams because they do not have money for courses, "need" to also do karma yoga. These are, as Bivolaru said, "free"!
Or... not? Precisely because Bivolaru made a parallel between volunteering and karma yoga (link), these were confused and thus ambiguity was created:
"uh, come to the ashram because it's free, but... it's not really like that, you have to do something in EXCHANGE."
The problem is that, if it's an EXCHANGE, then it's not free, it's like a "work for a salary" exchange, so employment documents were needed! Only when it's a "course for nothing", only then is it free and only then is there no problem!
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
At first there were no rules, not even a spiritual program. Everyone was free to practice yoga or not, to come and go as they pleased, to organize their own program. Over time, “profiteers” and then “destroyers” appeared.
Unfortunately, such people also have problems with common sense and are usually the ones who cause material damage and then disappear. We even requested the introduction of a regulation at that time, because it was difficult to cooperate with such people, but Grieg refused then and for a long time after that. Later, it became imperative to introduce a regulation, in order to protect those who had a sincere aspiration. The regulation included rules of good behavior, of common sense in the end, and it was supplemented with new rules as new situations arose that we were faced with.
For a person lacking common sense and "the 7 years at home" (and I have had many such "guests" who left behind damage that is difficult to recover), such a regulation may seem draconian and the rules absurd, but the absurdity and insensitivity of certain people generated the emergence of the rules and not the other way around!
"Uh, the lovely Grieg didn't want to introduce rules, but they became indispensable and inevitable, because of the profiteers and destroyers who were causing damage"... But the oaths to keep silence before participating in activities or initiations, for what kind of damage were this king of rules introduced? Because the monopoly of information was disappearing and some people stopped coming to classes or camps? Or did the authorities and the press find out about the debauchery, perversions and abuses at MISA, with damage to their image? But the body searches, including with scanners, at the entrance to the premises where initiations were given, despite the oaths, seem draconian only to the insensitive or to any sane person? Are oaths like "I'll die in 7 years if I divulge anything" draconian or is it just an ”opinion”?
⬧ The "outraged" anonymous: "In the ashram they swear on the Bible!"
"The opinion of the satisfied yogis group": It is possible. Thieves also have the habit of lying, and not only thieves! There are also many unconscious or unscrupulous profiteers!
First of all, the "satisfied yogis" admit that they swear in the ashram. As for the perverted oath on the Bible, it is certain that it is practiced, because it was proven in court, when witnesses from MISA, students and instructors of the organization, gave false testimony after the oath on the Bible and the cross taken before the judges, in a trial related to this blog.
⬧ The "outraged" anonymous: Some of the ashram residents are asked to pay for expenses (during the summer!), they have to pay for their yoga classes and get their own clothes, food (because their food ration is not enough), and medicine if they are sick. Where will they get all this from if they do not work outside the ashram, because there is no time for that?
"The opinion of the satisfied yogis group": We ask again: Then why does he stay in the settlement, if it's so bad?
The fact that the accuser manifests this contradictory attitude does not mean that he is automatically lying in what he claims. The one who gives the "reply" did not fight the accusation, did not even deny it, but avoided the answer, which practically amounts to an admission! In his previously presented message, Bivolaru did not say anything about maintenance expenses, but only about free of charge, especially regarding the courses!
⬧ "The opinion of the satisfied yogis group":
Speaking of secret service informants: several years ago, an agent (who had attended our classes for several months, incognito, as a simple student) came to a classroom, introduced himself and said:
"I am X..., I had the mission to monitor your yoga classes, we were convinced that there was nothing illegal or that would affect national security, my mission is over and I want to tell you that you have microphones installed in the air vents of the room. You can remove them!" And Grieg replied: "There is no need, because we have nothing to hide!"
"We have nothing to hide", but MISA students have to swear oaths of secrecy, even before they know what they're swearing to! By the way, isn't secrecy from the authorities a threat to national security?
"We've convinced ourselves that there's nothing illegal"... Did that agent receive a tax receipt for the course fee, the books or the plants that are being sold? Blatant lies! The person who wrote the article implies that Bivolaru left the microphones where the secret agent planted them, but, at the entrance to the rooms where initiations are offered, his servants search the yoga students for microphones in their private parts!
⬧The "outraged" anonymous: More recently, in some ashrams, surveillance cameras have been installed (discreetly!), and even in classrooms, that record everyone who is there.
"The opinion of the satisfied yogis group": He would probably wish that those who slander and discredit this yoga school and seek to destabilize it from within and even abolish it, not to be disturbed by any other opinion and to be allowed to undermine it… There are surveillance cameras on the streets, at almost all intersections, and in various institutions… Are those good and ours bad?
First, it is worth noting that the existence of surveillance cameras ("ours") is admitted!
Then, it is insinuated that the surveillance cameras are intended to catch "destabilizers"... But what about the others, the "sincere aspirants"? They are caught on camera too! I understand, they have nothing to hide...
"By installing surveillance cameras, everyone is automatically turned into a suspect, so their cameras are bad!", this is what Bivolaru says in his conspiracy theory-based conferences. But the same thing happens with "our cameras", but these are good, because they were set up "in a spiritually integrated way", on the advice of the "divine guide"...
The cameras of the journalists who secretly filmed the group nudity scenes at the Bivolaru's anniversary show in 2002 (video) were certainly bad, but the cameras that filmed the MISA female student for the secret test at the Miss contest (details), as well as those that filmed the naked women who gave statements of praise after coming out of sex with Bivolaru, those were good, of course...
⬧ The "outraged" anonymous: ...In the face of the abuses of the ashram leaders, who are directly supported by Bivolaru and use his authority against us.…
"The opinion of the satisfied yogis group": So here's where it had to go: the "scapegoat" was found - Gregorian Bivolaru! Although he has been out of the country for 8 years, he is considered the main culprit..
Well, he's the big culprit, since he controls and organizes everything, through the system he created and through the people he placed in charge, to whom he sends instructions, such as audio-video recording everyone!
⬧ The "outraged" anonymous: Grieg (Bivolaru), you are the first to do us injustice when you treat your students differently. You bury the women who do you sexual favors in money and expensive gifts, you take them around Paris and spoil them with good food, but for those who work in ashrams like slaves to keep a yoga school alive – and YOUR LIFE of LUXURY and DELIGHT, there is no money for food, accommodation, health, electricity, or vacations..
"The opinion of the satisfied yogis group": Who else could be found guilty by “them” if not Grieg? Grieg is an inconvenient figure for those with criminal intentions. For those who still want to know the truth, we can tell them that Grieg never lived in luxury or debauchery. He was always austere and lived modestly, because he likes moderation and modesty. Impressed by his exemplary power of dedication, at one point, several years ago, I said to him: “Grieg, I am no longer surprised that you can do everything you do.
But I am surprised that, being able to do all this, you behave like an ordinary man!” He replied, modestly: “It is because of great humiliation!”
Yeah, that's what modesty means, boasting that you have great humility...
⬧Finally, when she has nothing to answer to the terrible accusations that everyone knows are true, the "brilliant" author of the reply to the anonymous letter has only one reply: "The intention to compromise and defame our yoga school, those who are in charge of it, as well as Grieg, is evident through these statements full of venom and cunningly invented to create an image as horrifying as possible, so that it is no longer worth commenting!"
If it's not worth commenting on, then why all the fuss? Anyway, the author failed to counter the anonymous letter at all, in many moments the reply being quite weak, leaving the impression that the author herself is not convinced by her own plea, and moreover, it leaves the impression that she knows that the things being contested are real. Not coincidentally, the reply is pale precisely in those moments of the anonymous letter referring to real and indisputable situations, which even MISA had to hardly admit: porn video chats and pole dancing in striptease bars, women who queue at Bivolaru's for sexual encounters and receive gifts, unlike the others who are ignored, the money that goes to the school's VIPs, in contrast to the precarious situation of the ashram residents, found in those who are part of the service groups in yoga camps, the "modesty and humility" of Bivolaru who threw money at some female students, in full view of the world, the debauchery in MISA's "settlements", etc.
The only thing admitted is that in ashrams people steal, but this fact is recognized in a broader context: "there are thefts everywhere", "there is no forest without droughts" or "it's the same with others, even worse"!
But if at MISA it is "like everywhere", then where are the impressive results from the "spiritual school"? What is the difference between MISA students and those who are not on a spiritual path?
(continued in part 2)