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*First Published: Oct 11, 2011, 4:24 pm CDT
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 Updated on Jun 3, 2021, 2:15 am CDT
As the dust settles from last night’s ban of controversial teen-pics section r/jailbait, Reddit users are in equal parts cheering , mourning , and wringing their hands .
But one thing is very clear: Nothing’s really changed.
Sexualized photographs of teenagers are right where they always were. If you want them, you can find them. Reddit still hosts more than a dozen sections that link to such images, from r/asianjailbait to r/malejailbait to r/bustybait.
These sections, like jailbait before them, are little more than link repositories. None of the images are hosted on Reddit. The majority reside on the servers of free image-hosting site Imgur .
Earlier today, I asked Imgur if it had any plans to remove the photographs (all of which are easily accessed here; while arguably legal, they’re not safe for work).
Imgur’s founder, Alan Schaaf, declined to comment.
“I’m not interested in doing a story about jailbait,” he told us.
No one seems to want to talk about r/jailbait, in fact. Reddit staff members still haven’t replied to our request for comments.
That leaves Reddit users and the media with nothing to do but speculate on the stated reason—that r/jailbait “threatened the structural integrity” of Reddit. Dozens of threads discussing r/jailbait have popped up across the site, many of them attracting thousands of comments. At least three have hit the site’s front page.
Everyone wants to know: Why exactly was the section closed down?
The most likely cause, as we noted last night , is that users of the subreddit appeared to be exchanging private messages requesting and somehow receiving child pornography. (It’s impossible to attach files through Reddit messages, so any file exchanges would have taken place elsewhere.)
But the subreddit’s creator, violentacrez, sees things differently. A lightning rod of controversy on Reddit, violentacrez has for years tested the boundaries of acceptable speech on the site. To him, allegations of child porn are nothing but a convenient excuse for the site’s staff to excise the controversial section and be done with it.
“This was never about the picture, or the [messages], or any [child pornography],” he wrote on Reddit. “It’s all about the admins trying to contain the outrage, and calm the masses of ignorant and angry redditors bringing them bad press.”
The closure has, in fact, come at the end of a bad couple of weeks for Reddit’s public image. Gawker’s Adrian Chen and CNN’s Anderson Cooper have hammered the site with criticism for keeping r/jailbait open.
Last week, in an interview with the Web podcast TJ and The Tux , Reddit cofounder Alexis Ohanian, who left the site in 2009 but recently returned in a more active role as an advisor and member of a newly created board of directors, directly responded to the allegations from Cooper.
“As long what’s going on is legal, there’s nothing we can do to effectively police it, because these things will always continue to exist on the Internet, because they’ll always continue to exist in humanity,” Ohanian told host Tony Tux.
While Reddit now has a large audience that’s hard to duplicate, it’s easy to set up a message board to post links with free tools like PhpBB.
Ohanian also said that parents need to educate their children that once they take an image and send it in digital form—as an email, text message, or social-network post—they should expect it to become public.
Kevin Morris is a veteran web reporter and editor who specializes in longform journalism. He led the Daily Dot’s esports vertical and, following its acquisition by GAMURS in late 2016, launched Dot Esports, where he serves as the site’s editor-in-chief.
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*First Published: Oct 11, 2011, 4:24 pm CDT
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Posted on Oct 11, 2011 Updated on Jun 3, 2021, 2:15 am CDT
As the dust settles from last night’s ban of controversial teen-pics section r/jailbait, Reddit users are in equal parts cheering , mourning , and wringing their hands .
But one thing is very clear: Nothing’s really changed.
Sexualized photographs of teenagers are right where they always were. If you want them, you can find them. Reddit still hosts more than a dozen sections that link to such images, from r/asianjailbait to r/malejailbait to r/bustybait.
These sections, like jailbait before them, are little more than link repositories. None of the images are hosted on Reddit. The majority reside on the servers of free image-hosting site Imgur .
Earlier today, I asked Imgur if it had any plans to remove the photographs (all of which are easily accessed here; while arguably legal, they’re not safe for work).
Imgur’s founder, Alan Schaaf, declined to comment.
“I’m not interested in doing a story about jailbait,” he told us.
No one seems to want to talk about r/jailbait, in fact. Reddit staff members still haven’t replied to our request for comments.
That leaves Reddit users and the media with nothing to do but speculate on the stated reason—that r/jailbait “threatened the structural integrity” of Reddit. Dozens of threads discussing r/jailbait have popped up across the site, many of them attracting thousands of comments. At least three have hit the site’s front page.
Everyone wants to know: Why exactly was the section closed down?
The most likely cause, as we noted last night , is that users of the subreddit appeared to be exchanging private messages requesting and somehow receiving child pornography. (It’s impossible to attach files through Reddit messages, so any file exchanges would have taken place elsewhere.)
But the subreddit’s creator, violentacrez, sees things differently. A lightning rod of controversy on Reddit, violentacrez has for years tested the boundaries of acceptable speech on the site. To him, allegations of child porn are nothing but a convenient excuse for the site’s staff to excise the controversial section and be done with it.
“This was never about the picture, or the [messages], or any [child pornography],” he wrote on Reddit. “It’s all about the admins trying to contain the outrage, and calm the masses of ignorant and angry redditors bringing them bad press.”
The closure has, in fact, come at the end of a bad couple of weeks for Reddit’s public image. Gawker’s Adrian Chen and CNN’s Anderson Cooper have hammered the site with criticism for keeping r/jailbait open.
Last week, in an interview with the Web podcast TJ and The Tux , Reddit cofounder Alexis Ohanian, who left the site in 2009 but recently returned in a more active role as an advisor and member of a newly created board of directors, directly responded to the allegations from Cooper.
“As long what’s going on is legal, there’s nothing we can do to effectively police it, because these things will always continue to exist on the Internet, because they’ll always continue to exist in humanity,” Ohanian told host Tony Tux.
While Reddit now has a large audience that’s hard to duplicate, it’s easy to set up a message board to post links with free tools like PhpBB.
Ohanian also said that parents need to educate their children that once they take an image and send it in digital form—as an email, text message, or social-network post—they should expect it to become public.
Kevin Morris is a veteran web reporter and editor who specializes in longform journalism. He led the Daily Dot’s esports vertical and, following its acquisition by GAMURS in late 2016, launched Dot Esports, where he serves as the site’s editor-in-chief.
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I have sons, three of them. My oldest is 13 and he is our trailblazer. Whether he wants to be or not, he is the guinea pig for everything from sleep training techniques to social networking, and every teeny tiny thing in between. He is a good kid. And rarely complains about his birth order. As the oldest myself, I know it can suck, but he takes it in stride.
Recently he asked if he could have a Reddit account. I was hesitant. I don’t allow TikTok , or Snapchat, or Facebook for my kids. They’re young and just don’t need to be messing with that kind of stuff. We talked about what he would be using Reddit for, and he said Minecraft forums and memes. It seemed innocent enough, so my husband and I said OK. This was after laying down ground rules, including no commenting or private messaging. He agreed, so we trusted him.
I am a special kind of naive; I know that. Sadly, I always have been. But when I looked at my son, who to me is just a baby, I thought, “Of course he’s going to be truthful. He’d never betray my trust.” And he didn’t. That is, until he did.
He made a fatal error. He was discussing something with his dad about Lego and mentioned a forum that he was reading and the username. My husband looked it up later that evening and casually started reading. He quickly noticed our son’s username in the comments. It was benign, but still against the rules. He clicked on his profile and what he found was shocking.
I don’t know if my son knew it, I didn’t, but you can see a Redditor’s activity if you click on their name. And WOW was he an active Redditor. He was commenting like crazy — dozens of times a day, all over the place. That’s not the only thing that bothered me. It was the language he was using. There is no other explanation other than profane. The same kid who sleeps with a special blanket from when he was a baby was asking someone if he had, “Seen the jizz master?” It honestly made me sick to my stomach.
Where in the hell was he learning language like that? Certainly not from his father or me. Yes, we say fuck in nearly every sentence, but I don’t think my lips have ever uttered the word “jizz”. My husband and I were both appalled and knew that we had to address it immediately. When we called our son down, he had no idea why he was in trouble.
And then, we dropped the bomb. His face went white. He was busted and there was no way to talk himself out of it. He hung his head and apologized. The lecture started about lying, the language, the loss of trust and respect, the pure evil that exists online and what he was opening himself up to. He apologetically surrendered his phone and went to bed.
I was terrified to look at his search history. Thank God, there was nothing there of note. It was mostly Minecraft and memes, the exact things he had told us he was going to be using Reddit for. Then I got into his texts. I braced myself for more profanity, and there it was. He and his friends exchanging barbs about penises and grades. Yes, it’s normal teenage stuff. I get it. It’s been a few years, but I was a teenager. I had male friends and brothers, but I wasn’t ready for my son to be in that world.
His phone is gone, indefinitely. He can check texts and calls in the evening and has about 15 minutes of supervised text time. His friends know he’s in trouble and that his parents are assholes, so there isn’t much back and forth anyway. Trust me, this sucks just as much for me as it does for him.
I am not trying to thwart him. I understand that adolescents experiment and they test boundaries and they challenge. Sure, it was a long time ago, but I am not so out of touch with reality that I don’t remember some of these feelings and desires myself. Being a kid pushing the limits is one thing. I can handle that. I am not OK with the lying. That is where he can get himself into trouble. I am not OK with projecting a persona that could put him into a precarious situation that he is not ready for.
But, maybe I am the one who is not ready. I am the one who still thinks of him as a little baby who can’t possibly be using foul language trying to impress people. He is growing up, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t still under my guidance and supervision. I want him to blossom and I want him to experience new things. I don’t want him to try and be something that he is not. Because deep down, that isn’t who he is. He really is the kid playing Minecraft with his brother and sleeping with his baby blanket. He is still a child, with a child’s mind.
Perhaps I trusted too much and this is entirely my fault. Maybe I am the one who put him into a situation that he isn’t prepared for because I didn’t do enough research. Or, maybe there is no blame to be had and this is a learning experience for all of us. That is what I am taking it as. Moving forward, I will be more cautious. And I hope he will be more honest.
Because when you lose my trust, you lose everything.
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