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Seeking (Arrangement): “The Fall of Rome"
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As Wikipedia teaches us… “there was no straining at the gates, no barbarian horde that dispatched the Roman Empire in one fell swoop. Instead, the Roman Empire fell slowly as a result of challenges from within and without, and changing over the course of hundreds of years until its form was unrecognizable. Perhaps the Fall of Rome is best understood as a compilation of various maladies that altered a large swath of human habitation over many hundreds of years…”
My bet, there will be no fell swoop for Seeking as well. Instead, the proliferation of platonics, “pay me now, arrangement later”s, “toe-dippers” and just overall revolving door profiles, where women make them and never get back to them …are the sure signs of the Fall - that means Doom for Seeking.
I will give it one more year, tops. The only guys who are currently sticking around, are old timers, who have been able to get arrangements before. They persist, because they know it worked for them before. New people…will try for a month or two and quit.
I think, the Gold Age of Sugar…is over.
When I pay for a subscription I always meet someone real with it, it usually takes two weeks but it happens. Also in my area I seem to be lots of women's "last choice" basically everyone messages me after viewing my profile maybe three months later. Just saying, its never gonna get better but it works whereas still no one likes me on tindr or other dating apps.
I love the hold outs. The “I was too good for you six months ago, but now I need to pay these bills” girls!
Ridiculous, it still works really well but you have to know how to navigate it and weed out the garbage. SA isn't going anywhere.
I suspect the Romans were saying the same, right about the year 120...“Ridiculous...the Great Roman Empire is not going anywhere! We are bigger and stronger than ever and anyone, this is just a few Goths, here and there, nothing to worry about”. In a couple hundred years, Odoacer, the Barbarian, deposed Romulus Augustus and became King of Italy.
I’ve already heard enough about scammers on there to never try it. According to a lot of modern sugar babies Seeking already fell off
I started sugaring in like 2013 and that was definitely the hey day. But guys who’ve been doing it longer may say it was even better before then.
So many of the most beautiful girls I’d ever met in my life. So perfect it felt like I was getting away with a crime to touch them...I got over it. :-)
Which may explain the rise of fake accounts, and all the fake stories.
Can you elaborate on the “fake stories” please
r/SugarBnB Sugar babies meet sugar daddies at exotic destinations, Airbnb style.
as bad as it is, you can still find a traditional sugar relationship. It look my about 3 months this time around, after a couple that flaked after the meet and greet, a couple that flaked or ghosted prior to the meet and greet, a couple bad meet and greets where I was fat fished, and then finally finding 1 women exactly like I was looking for, that was also looking for the same type of SR as me.
Yes it may not be what it used to be, but it is still the 800lb Gorilla in the room. Until someone comes along and does it better, it is still the primary game in town.
I guess, that is exactly my point. Roman Empire was still functioning after its fall. It was not overtaken by a bigger “game in town”, it remained the Gorilla. We are saying the same thing, essentially, but emphasizing a different trend: you are saying, despite the decline, it is working. I am saying, despite it working, it is on the decline.
It would be nice if SD’s were on Tinder. ...or reddit
But it’s almost like there are no real SD’s anymore. Just young guys and scammers. I’m just into older men, not anyone in their 30’s trying to see what’s out there, someone who has lived and knows what they want.
Usually these guys are straight to the point and I adore that. The conversations are better too.
Somebody is confused. You meant clients, right?
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Home » Relationships » I Infiltrated the Sugar Baby and Sugar Daddy Underworld and You Won’t Believe What Happened Next…
The thought flashed through my mind as I watched her walk towards me.
She was tall, slender, blonde, sporting a tight black dress and looking as if she’d just finished a photo shoot for her million-follower Instagram account.
My internal monologue was racing as she walked in my direction.
“She’s probably just a look-alike” I thought, unable to believe that this was the girl I was meeting.
She looked directly into my eyes, smiled, waved, and walked directly over to my table.
“Hi, I’m Megan” she said, settling into her seat.
“This is real” I thought and extended my hand to introduce myself.
I’d “met” the woman in question not three days before during a blind experiment I conducted while rewriting my underground cult classic The Dating Playbook for Men .
Though she was undeniably attractive, it was not her beauty that was responsible for my incredulity, but the way in which I’d met her.
A few weeks prior, I’d been sitting at a bar with a friend, discussing unique ways to meet high quality women. While we were chatting, he reluctantly told me about a website where, he alleged, you could find “thousands of attractive women…but you have to pay to go out with them and do, well other activities.”
I thought he was joking. Something like that couldn’t exist…could it? And if it did, how the hell have I (or the authorities) never heard of it?
Could there really be an elite sexual underworld going on in every city across the country where the highest bidder could sleep with and date the most attractive women?
On a whim, I decided to create an account on the site and see what was really going on.
Now, before we delve too deeply into the dark waters of my little experiment, it’s important to clarify what it is we’re talking about in the first place.
Sugar dating, as it’s commonly called, a rich, typically older man (sugar daddy) provides “sponsorship” to a young attractive woman (sugar baby). Typically in the form of a monthly cash allowance, travel, shopping or rent assistance.
What does a sugar baby do in return?
Typically, they offers companionship and (often) sexual intimacy.
However, it’s important to point out that not all sugar baby/sugar daddy relationships look the same. The context and paradigm of these relationships are as variable as the people who engage in them.
I discovered older divorcees interested in dating younger men, women who were uninterested in financial compensation and simply wanted a partner who had his life together, and of course, there are plenty of women who made it abundantly clear that every “meeting” would have a steep cost of $400-$1,000. Ouch!
There were individuals looking for discreet sexual relationships, platonic companionship, partners willing to accommodate their hectic business and travel schedule, and everything in between.
Seeing this diversity among the sugar dating community, the fact still remained. No matter how well you spin it the overwhelming majority of people on the platform were there for one reason.
To exchange intimate and sexual companionship for money.
And, despite the surprising abundance of sugar dating sites available, the overwhelming majority of individuals flocked to a single platform.
A sugar dating site called SeekingArrangement.com
As soon as I logged on, thousands of sugar babies popped up–and those were only the women who met my specific search criteria in my zip code.
New women were joining every hour as I would hit refresh and a new sugar baby was born and I found myself wondering…just how many men and women are engaged in this and more importantly, why?
First, using Google’s keyword tool reveals that the keyword “How to find a sugar daddy” gets between 10,000 and 100,000 searches per month.
However, the keyword “How to find a sugar baby” gets only 100-1,000 searches per month. That’s more than a 100X difference of women searching for a sugar daddy vs men searching for a sugar baby!
And looking at data from Seeking Arrangement itself, we discover that, of the 10,000,000 (yes ten million) active users inside of the United States, there are three sugar babies for every one sugar daddy.
Meaning that there are more than 6.7 million sugar babies in the United States and that’s just on this one site of many that exist
A perfunctory glance at this number doesn’t appear too alarming. After all, 6.7 million is only 2% of the population, but when you dive a bit deeper you realize just how significant this number is.
According to the U.S. Census , there are roughly 113 million people in the United States between the ages of 18 and 44. And roughly 51% of this population is female.
So now, we have an estimated 60,180,000 women between the ages of 18 and 44. And of those women, more than 6,700,000 are on Seeking Arrangement.
This means that of the women inside of the average man’s dating pool (based on age), more than 10% of them are currently or have been sugar babies in the past.
But, as I began to explore this underworld, I couldn’t help but wonder…how will this affect dating culture as we know it?
My mind started spinning as I checked my message inbox. In the sixty minutes since I’d created my account, I’d sent out five messages to sugar babies. And staring back at me from my dimly lit monitor, were five, almost immediate positive responses.
I’ve actively used dating apps and websites for the better part of a decade and I’d never experienced this high and quick of a response rate, let alone responses that were this positive and forward about meeting up.
On Tinder, Bumble or Hinge, where the dating market is skewed heavily in women’s favor as the selector, most men, even high quality men, are something of a disposable item on those traditional dating apps. Responses go unread for months, matches go cold in a matter of days, and, on the rare occasion you do strike up a conversation with someone whom you’re attracted to, the odds of it turning into a date hover around 15% (and that’s good!).
Yet here I was, with five different women trying to meet up with me. And then, something happened that perfectly illustrates just how profoundly sugar dating changes the dating dynamics for men.
As I was scrolling through the list of women in my area, I came across a woman I’d “met” the week before on Tinder who even had the same profile photos. After matching with and messaging her, she’d been short-tempered, cold and rude.
So, as a test I sent her a message on Seeking Arrangement without sharing my photos to see her response. And the very next day, I couldn’t believe it, the same girl shot back a response but this time eager and excited and even asked if I wanted to meet up for drinks next week .
Needless to say, on Seeking Arrangement, women treat men differently. Responses are prompt and kind even if she has no idea what you look like or who you are.
Sure, there were plenty of rather “innocent” women who made it clear that they were not interested in a monetary exchange–they simply wanted a man with a modicum of financial stability and the capacity to hold down a job longer than her ex boyfriends did.
Within a few days, I had dozens of phone numbers, scheduled multiple dates, and had countless women asking me when I would be available to meet.
On Seeking Arrangement, it appears that men or sugar daddies are suddenly placed in
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