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12:50PM Wednesday, August 17th, 2022
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A man has spoken defiantly about his disturbing sexual relationship with his mentally-disabled sister — which has borne four children.
A disturbing tale of forbidden love between two incestual siblings shocked the world when they vowed to stay together for their children.
Susan Karolewski was reunited with her older brother Patrick Stuebing 20 years after he escaped their abusive home when he was adopted aged three, in the former East Germany.
But just six months after their biological mother died, the pair, then 16 and 23, described how their fondness for each other turned into a disturbing sexual relationship.
The couple went on to have four children, two of which are severely disabled, with Patrick serving two jail terms after being found guilty of incest.
The pair sparked a media storm when the relationship came to light in 2001 and vowed to challenge Germany’s incest laws that made sex between siblings illegal.
In 2012 Patrick appealed to the Court of Human Rights in a bid to seal their shocking union by claiming he and Susan had a right to family life.
Speaking at the time, Patrick: “We do not feel guilty about what has happened between us.
“We want the law which makes incest a crime to be abolished.”
Patrick was born into a struggling family in 1977 in Leipzig and was one of eight children.
At the age of three, he was fostered after being attacked with a knife by his alcoholic father.
He was adopted by his foster parents aged 7 nearly 100 miles away in the city of Portsdam.
His sister, Susan, was born in 1984 on the day their parent’s divorce was finalised.
Susan, who is mentally disabled, grew up in the same abusive household her brother had been able to escape and was poorly educated, barely able to read and write.
Some of the six brothers and sisters died after being born with disabilities, while another was run over aged 7.
The pair eventually met in 2000 when Patrick sought out his biological family but their relationship intensified just six months after their mother, Ana Marie, died of a heart attack.
Susan became heavily dependent on her brother and was described by a reporter as being an obsessive nailbiter with a simple way of speaking.
Susan was just 16 when she and Patrick, then 23, first began their disturbing incestual relationships when the siblings started sharing a room.
Speaking to the Mail in 2007, he said: “We both stayed up late into the night to talk to each other about our hopes and dreams.”
Susan said: “We didn’t know each other in childhood, it’s not the same for us.
“We fell in love as adults and our love is real. There is nothing we could do about it.
“We were both attracted to each other and nature took over from us. It was that simple. What else could we do?
“We followed our instinct and our hearts.”
By October 2001, Susan fell pregnant with her first child and gave birth to a baby boy with severe disabilities, named Erik.
But a nurse became suspicious and contacted German cops before Patrick received a year’s suspended jail term for incest and Susan, 17 and still treated as a juvenile, was placed in care.
The pair continued to meet in secret and Susan — who kept her bump covered with baggy clothes — had three more children, a daughter Sarah, who was also born disabled, as well as Nancy and Sophia.
Patrick was jailed for 10 months for his second incest conviction and then for a further two and a half years after being convicted for the third time.
The pair denied that their children were born disabled due to their incestuous relationship.
Speaking in 2007, Patrick said: “Two of our children are disabled but that is not necessarily anything to do with the fact that we are siblings.
“There are disabled people in our family. We had six brothers and sisters who did not survive in some cases because they were disabled.”
While Patrick was behind bars Susan told reporters that she could not live without him — despite conceiving a fifth child with another man.
The mum-of-five however gave up her rights to the child before the baby went to live with its father.
Patrick underwent a vasectomy in 2004 and attempted to change the German law that made incest illegal in a bid to keep himself out of prison.
But in 2008 The Federal Constitutional Court of Germany upheld the law and rejected his appeal.
In 2012 Patrick also appealed to the European Court of Human Rights, saying that the couple had a right to family life and privacy.
Again the appeal was rejected after the court believed the couple had been treated fairly by German authorities.
The couple often visited son Erik at his foster home and sensationally claimed that had their first child not been taken away, they would not have had any more children.
Patrick said: “When you see your child being looked after by someone else when they should be with you, that’s hard for any parent to bear.
“So if he is handicapped, well, that is all the more reason we should be able to look after him.”
Talking of his vasectomy he said: “There is no reason for them to jail me now. I do not want to go back to jail and I know we will never voluntarily leave each other.
“If anyone doubts our love they should just see we will not be kept apart.”
In 2014 the German Ethics Council made a shocking U-turn and voted in favour of allowing incest between siblings.
They claimed the risk of disability was not enough to warrant the law after reviewing the German couple’s case.
The law still remains in Germany with incestual relationships between siblings being illegal.
It is punishable by up to two years’ imprisonment or a fine.
It is believed the couple are still living together in eastern Germany.
This article was originally published by The Sun and reproduced with permission
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Kellie Henderson was just a child when she was forced to do the unthinkable: stand guard for her oldest brother Andrew while he raped her twin sister Kathie in the basement of their family's Wichita, Kansas, home.


Kellie knew all about the horror Kathie was going through—because it was happening to her too.


According to the twins, Andrew started molesting them when they were 5 years old and he was 10. At a time when most kindergartners are having play dates and living carefree lives, Kellie and Kathie were being fondled and molested in their own home—at the hands of a sibling. Soon, the twins' other older brother Matthew also began abusing them, and Kellie and Kathie say there came a time when they were being raped almost every day.


After years of living in fear, Kellie and Kathie worked up the courage to tell their mother what was happening. She told the twins' father...and he raped them too.

Watch Kellie and Kathie tell their story in their own words. 
 


Now, at 19, Kellie and Kathie are speaking out about their chilling childhood and the brave neighbors who helped them escape their abusers. "By coming forward, police tell us they have already had a profound impact on their hometown so we thought, 'Imagine the effect their story could have on our audience around the world,'" Oprah says.



For much of their youth, a typical day for twins Kellie and Kathie began with their mother, Lisa , telling one of them to go wake their brother Andrew. "I would go wake him up, and then he'd make me have sex with him—he'd rape me," Kellie says.


"It was very disturbing to get raped before school because you feel just disgusting. ... Andrew was just this big, strong, angry person," Kathie says. "He wasn't a brother at all. He was a monster."


After being raped, the girls say they'd go to school—one of their only escapes from the sexual abuse—before returning home to endure more sexual torture from Andrew. Once, while Andrew was raping Kellie in the family's dark basement, their other older brother Matthew walked in.


"His first instinct was to get [Andrew] off of me," Kellie says. "But soon after, he started doing the same thing."


"Kellie and I shared bunk beds and every other night, [Matthew] would take either Kellie or I at all hours of the night," Kathie says. 


With both brothers taking turns sexually abusing them, Kellie and Kathie say home never felt safe.



Kellie says she didn't realize her brothers' actions were wrong until a 5th grade sex education class.


"[The teacher] was talking about how couples make love, how people get together and how to make babies, and it just clicked," Kellie says. "I sat there in shock. I knew that what was going on in our home was not right."


Prior to that moment, Kellie says she was "brainwashed" into thinking the sexual abuse was a normal part of family life. "I felt like it was just something that families did," she says. "I thought that was family."



The twins say they told their mother for years that their brothers were raping them. At first, they say she did nothing. "We kept telling our mother and telling our mother, and finally, she talked to our father about the issue," Kellie says.


The twins' parents called a family meeting—with both Andrew and Matthew present—and the girls' 40-year-old father Brad reprimanded his sons for forcing themselves on Kellie and Kathie. "He hit them in their private areas and said that's [not right to do] with your sisters," Kellie says.


But, after the family meeting disbanded, Brad called the girls to his room separately and asked each of them to show him what the boys had been doing to them.


"He asked me a lot of questions and then he was like, 'Show me.'" Kathie recalls. Then, Kathie's father molested her for the first time.


The same day, Kellie says she was also abused by Brad. "I felt like everyone we went to to get help hurt us again," she says.



Without the protection of their mother, Kellie and Kathie continued to endure the horrific abuse day after day. Both admit that sometimes the abuse was so brutal, they would beg their brothers to take the other twin. "It was a horrible situation," Kellie says. "It was survival mode. We felt like we had to survive." Soon, the twins' younger sister Rachelle fell victim to their brothers as well. All three girls knew they were being sexually abused, but they felt there was nothing they could do about it. The girls say their mother Lisa refused to intervene...even after she allegedly walked in on her sons in the midst of a rape. "Your mother walked in and saw your brothers raping you?" Oprah asks. "Yes," the twins say. "And [she] turned around and walked out?" Oprah asks. "Yes."


Eventually, the girls' father Brad walked out on the family.


The last time Kathie says she saw her father was right after he raped her for the last time.


"He whispers in my ear, 'I'm going to miss you. You're a really good daughter. I love you,'" Kathie says. "And he hands me a $100 bill. I'm thinking, 'We have no electricity. We have no food in the fridge, and you hand me $100? What kind of man are you?'"



One place the twins sought refuge was in the home of their neighbors, Shelly and Jim. "They were like second parents," Kathie says. "Going over to their house felt like heaven in a way."


Neither Shelly nor Jim had any idea the twins were being sexually abused. But, two weeks after the twins' 13th birthday, Kellie and Kathie say they were confronted by a suspicious relative, and they knew it was time to confide in Shelly and Jim.

Watch what happened the night their secret was exposed. 
 


After confessing their secret, the twins begged Shelly and Jim not to tell anyone until they had a chance to talk with their mother. After two agonizing days, Shelly called 911, and an hour later, Wichita police were knocking on Kellie and Kathie's door.



In the two days between exposing her secret and being rescued by the police, Kathie says she was raped again.


The decision not to call the police immediately is something Shelly says haunts her. "It is the deepest regret of my life. I've cried so many hours since," she says. "I would encourage anyone to tell no matter how [the victims] plead for you not to tell. They want you to tell."


Once the police arrived, Kellie and Kathie were too terrified to repeat what they had told Shelly, but soon enough, the truth came out. Police removed all the children from the home that very night, and within 48 hours, both Andrew and Matthew were arrested. Five days after that, Brad, the twins' father, was also behind bars.


The arrests sparked a complex range of emotions in the twins.


"I felt relieved that they were locked up. We knew we were safe," Kellie says. "[But] I felt guilty because I was really close to my mother, and I didn't want our family to be torn apart."



Sergeant Mary Mattingly, one of the officers who worked on this case, interviewed the twins' mother during the investigation. "In this position, obviously, I'm here to be objective," Sgt. Mattingly says of her talks with Lisa. "[But] I really remember wanting to smack her, I was so livid."


At one point, Lisa asked Sgt. Mattingly what she thought of her as a mother, to which Sgt. Mattingly responded: "You failed at the most important job you'll ever have in life."


"How did Lisa react?" Oprah asks.


"She hung her head down. She said she had a lot of responsibilities," Sgt. Mattingly says. "She never one time asked about any of her six children during the whole time we were there. ... She had no concern but for herself."



Lieutenant Jeff Gilmore also worked the Henderson case, and like Sergeant Mattingly, he's been profoundly affected by the details of the girls' abuse and their family members' reactions. "I'd been with the police department for about nine years, but this, without a doubt, is the most horrendous sexual abuse case that I ever worked," Lt. Gilmore says.


Lt. Gilmore and his partner, Detective Chris Zandler, interviewed Andrew following his arrest. Lt. Gilmore says that Andrew would only give one-word answers to their questions until he ultimately confessed to sexually abusing his sisters for years.


"At one point during the interview—the interrogation—[Andrew] got angry and raised his voice at us. He looked at both of us and he yelled, 'You know, this is legal in Alabama!'" Lt. Gilmore says.


As the interview with Andrew progressed, Lt. Gilmore says Andrew made another startling statement. "He said, 'Well, my father's doing this too. It's okay.'"


At the end of the interview, Lt. Gilmore asked Andrew what he would like to see happen next. "Andrew looked at me with conviction, and he said, 'I'd like to spend more quality time with my sisters,'" Lt. Gilmore says.



Andrew was convicted of rape and sodomy, and he won't be eligible for parole until 2028 when he is 42 years old. Matthew is serving a six-year sentence for aggravated indecent liberties and could be released as early as next year.


Shelly still keeps in touch with both of the twins' brothers. "Andrew first reached out to me [from prison],'" Shelly says. "I asked the girls if they minded if I would write him back and send him things to encourage him totally against that lifestyle, and they said, 'Go ahead.'"

Hear what Andrew and Matthew have to say to the twins when they called Shelly from prison. 
 


The twins' father Brad was convicted of three counts of rape and one count of aggravated sodomy. He won't be eligible for parole for another 17 years.



Following her sons' and husband's arrests, Lisa was convicted of three counts of endangering a child. She spent nine days in jail and two months in a work-release program.

Hear what Lisa has to say now to her daughters. 
 


Though Kellie believes her mother loves them and feels sorry, she also says Lisa knew exactly what was going on in their home.


Kathie, on the other hand, says that she doesn't believe her mother right now. "I mean, you can't be sorry for wasting [that] many years [...] of your childhood," she explains.



It's been six years since Kellie and Kathie say they were treated like sex slaves in their own home. Neither twin is ready to forgive.


"When Shelly talked to Andrew on the phone, I didn't hear the [remorse] in his voice," Kellie says.


"There will be a time where I will face my fear—which would be Andrew—and there's going to be a time later on down the road, it might be years, where I will forgive him," Kathie says. "I'll try and find the strength to forgive him."

Oprah shares her definition of forgiveness and her heartfelt hope for Kellie and Kathie. 
   

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