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Any thoughts? Seems like it could be an issue but maybe put in the too hard basket. Seeing as surfing is trying for more money and be taken seriously will anything ever be done or become uniform. I know I did. I reckon as people mature and move into and beyond their 30's, most people tend to grow up and leave that stuff behind them, especially the chemicals. I watched a vid of that chap Fisher doing the rounds of an ASP party, I reckon every single person at that party including many top 20 sufers that he accosted were peaking, clenched jaws diluted pupils and all. Just read the article, thanks Barley. Is this Slater's World Tittle strategy? Get all opposing WCT surfers arrested leaving him with smooth run to number 12? Why would he speak to the mainstream media about this, even if he privately believes it. You wouldn't see footy players stab their colleagues in the back like that. Interesting theory yorkessurfer.. He is cunning with his mind games. Would you really want to piss off that many of the worlds top rippers? Kelly is very smart, and he would of thought of and structured his answers to these questions with some sort of end aim. Whether that was to disrupt other surfers on the tour to gain an advantage or to purely clean up some of the drug issues, we'll never know. But I'm sure this article will just pass and be forgotten as early as the end of the Quik Pro. Isn't he connected to ZoSea? I'd say he's more interested in trying to get things cleaned up over the long term to present a marketable product to institutional investors looking to actualise their investment portfolios. Or something. No doubt he would have thought about it but he has no need to make friends so I don't reckon he'd give two hoots if he pissed off other surfers on tour. But if he is connected to the company that's taken over then I'd have thought it's in his interests to appear to be cleaning things up. I'd reckon that'd be what's behind his commitment to the tour. I can't remember him saying he'd give it a red hot go since what, ? Seems like Kelly is now riding a bike backwards back pedalling from his comments he made yesterday. The Australian has picked up on the story which is focussing on the irregularity of drug testing in pro surfing. Interesting to see pro surfing closing ranks around this issue. Seems like the storm could grow out of the tea cup. Wonder if the governments big drugs in sport thing would get wind of it? Surely the ASP or who-ever they are now would have donged this on the head. Seems like they are mishandling it. Well Slater and Kongs book certainly paint a different picture to what Ben and Stunet did when I raised this in a forum post, are they talking about the same surf scene? I thought there was only one. Pro surfing may be a scene but it makes up, what, 0. I was commenting on the wider surfing scene. The distinction was put to you early in the piece, why repeat it now? Kelly said in that article 'I've been drug free my whole life'. Is'nt alcohol considered a drug? A destructive, addictive drug that ruins lives. Ever had a drink Kelly? I'm sick of these 'holier than thou' type of people casting their judgements on others. What about when he was hanging with Pamela and the other Hollywood B listers? Ever see a bit of cocaine being lined up Kelly? Ever been offered any? I'm sure you told them what you thought hey Kelly? Yeah sure. All other pro surfers just need to comment that maybe some elderly pro surfers take performance enhancing drugs maybe that will keep Kelly quiet. Just ask Lance Armstrong. Hey Yorkey. But, I do know Kelly very rarely drinks more than one or two, and his choice is red wine, also known as a beneficial antioxidant. He's so into getting the most performance out of his body, he spent a fortune getting himself tested for food allergies. Just every food you could imagine he got tested for, all so he could only put the most beneficial things into his body. Even as a teenager, I remember stories where kelly would take himself away on boat trips and surf trips, and be by himself while everyone else was getting messy around him. It's not uncommon for kids who grow up watching their dad waste away on the booze to grow up and detest it. I hardly drink for the same reason. So Kelly rarely drinks and only has one or two when he does. What if another WCT surfer at a party has a rare puff on a joint, turns around to see Kelly glaring at him. Next thing Kelly's going to the mainstream media saying that pro-surfing has a recreational drug problem. That's a dog act. If some pro wants to potentially throw away their 's of thousands of dollars career over some pot, they deserve everything they get. One pro getting caught for drugs, will bring everyone else down. And thirdly. Don't believe everything you read in the terrorgraph as gospel. Having just read Snowing in Bali I just wonder how many pro surfers are runners as well. Maybe not the top guys but the bottom rung WQS guys. The book dosn't paint our South American surfing brothers in a good light. Just an after fought maybe Kellys trying to deflect some attention on him after all the Lance Armstrong debacle 11 world titles would have to start people thinking. Why hide behind the 'out of context' bullshit. Was he quoted correctly i. It's easy to use that excuse. He said it, just man up and deal with it instead of paddling away fom it. He would've known what and why he was saying and all the questions it would throw out there. As YS says Kelly does everything for a reason. Nah he didn't say it. The reporter who broke the story has admitted his fault and apologised. Did you watch the big wave awards? Half the room was E'ing off their face and making no secret about it. I think that was the kind of statement Kelly was making and his opinion is those kind of nights drag surfing down. His opinion of course. It's a pretty good one too, I reckon. Good point. It's hard to equate this with his holier than thou approach to drugs in the press. Bit hypocritical if you ask me. All Slater did was call a spade a spade I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Recreational drug use amongst the surf scene being described as 'rampant' is an understatement if anything, and anyone who has ever really spent time in that social circle will know this is the case. Arguing otherwise is just naivety or lack of first-hand exposure. It's not about making judgment whether it's right or wrong, it's just stating a fact. Of course this generalisation may exclude the handful of top-performing CT guys, but certainly amongst the ranks of the QS and other industry hanger-ons. I think all these Slater conspiracy theories and ulterior motives are getting rather dramatic Why revisit it now? Because talking about drugs is fun And as kms away has said use is rampant across the scene. I missed the distinction u made, and the acknowledgment of rampant use amongst pros. U and Ben just seemed to be in denial, maybe I read it wrong. Drugs r everywhere, but people portraying sqeaky clean images r hiding stuff. Out of interest - and without wanting to sound naive - how could a professional surfer truly gain a significant competitive edge by using drugs? As a non-drug user I have no first hand experience and only know what I've read in media reports. Lance Armstrong admitted using testosterone, human growth hormones and EPO as well as taking blood transfusions. Would a surfer benefit from these drugs in the same way a Tour de France cyclist benefits? Or are we talking about common recreational drugs, similar to what you'd expect to find in a nightclub? If so, how would they give a surfer a competitive edge over a non drug user? Your reply, 'Good question. I find some comments on here quite disturbing YS why can't you believe that someone can say no to taking drugs just because they may hang with people that do? There is a thing called will-power that some people posses and maybe,just maybe Kelly may have some. What do you reckon? Drugs are everywhere,whether it be the bum on the street,the highly paid banker or the pro surfer. Some people cant help themselves to recreational drugs I guess and if anyone can comment on it in Pro Surfing,would't that be KS? Surfers generally want to hear what he has to say but seem to be disgusted that he has an opinion on this issue. Cocaine and Meth would dare I say give you a little more edge than your fellow competitor. Cocaine will give you the confidence and meth would give you the endurance and focus followed by the end of the competition day some xanax and a few beers to chill out. Not that anythings wrong with that? I think the surf media ALL, this isnt just about swellnet have tried to portray a squeaky clean image to increase marketability despite i think obvious connections between drugs and surf culture. Aside from Teahupoo I can't see where that might be necessary unless it's related to 'confidence in front of crowds', which I can understand. Endurance seems to be probably more in line with what I was thinking. But, surfing competitions aren't quite the same as cycling through the French Alps for a week straight. At most a surfer might have four 30 minute heats in one day plus preparation and training. And some of the heat time is spent waiting for waves. I think the surf media ALL, this isnt just about swellnet have tried to portray a squeaky clean image to increase marketability. Are you kidding? Please show me a single instance where Swellnet has ' portrayed a squeaky clean image '. So what are we choosing NOT to write about, which is allowing us to ' portray a squeaky clean image to increase marketability '? Real life is my problem. A fascinating article from Russell Brand sorry for the mild off-topic diversion, but I thought you'd all be interested. I wonder though what other pros would have said given the same line of questioning? Or do they the tabloids just ask KS these things? Furthermore to the point. If pro surfing wants to be taken seriously, why aren't there more drug tests. There was a push for surfing to be included in the olympics.. My guess is most of the corporate guys that say 'yes' or 'no' are on the shit themselves.. What about the next gen' groms that idolise some of the 44 and want to be the best? There is potential athletic advantage to be gained from any performance enhancing drug when used correctly. But like you have assumed. I can see negligible advantage for surfing pros Steroids build muscle but big muscles don't really help in surfing unless it's purely functional. So I doubt any surfers would take steroids for performance reasons. Maybe for vanity though. If anything, i would suggest that Testosterone and HGH are the most likely PEDs that could be used to gain a measurable advantage by a pro surfer. These drugs allow you to train harder and longer and recover quicker. SO you can do more functional training and become stronger and fitter faster as you can go harder, fit more into any given timeframe and spend less time recovering day to day from hard efforts. It could also help a competitive surfer recover better for heats the day after a heat day in physically challenging surf assuming they were not used to such efforts and came up sore the next day. I could imagine that some of the surfers who have really started to train 'professionally hard' over the last few years may been able to utilise these drugs. Testosterone and HGH are also favoured by ageing athletes getting well into their 30's and beyond. This obviously makes it harder to keep up with the youth even though still have the skillset and mindset to be competitive. Kelly and Taylor would fit this bill But it would surprise me. Much of the advantage gained from PED's is due to the training advantages. That's why it's so easy to train for months juiced to the eyeballs and then go to particular high profile sporting events like the Olympics with strict testing and not get caught. Only random off-season testing catches smart dopers. The kinds of regimes seen in cycling and athletics with fully realised doping schedules are very expensive. There is simply not enough money in surfing for such regimes to be worth it. It's possible that some individual surfers have sourced the odd thing here or there for themselves. I think, as covered above and in countless comments threads polluted with rottmouth et al about AI Mind set changers. Skill execution, water knowledge and competitive experience are key to winning heats. Surfing is too variable and too skill-based. And Sypkan, Cycling is in the least denial about PED's than any other high profile mainstream sport in the world. Doping has been rife in cycling for its entire history. And its only been a secret to those that didn't care, didn't want to know or were just paling blind and gullible. It also has the most stringent and most technological advanced anti-doping program of any sport in the world with the harshest penalties for proven infractions. There has been corruption at the highest level in cycling that has caused problems The whole sport is blowing up right now with doping confessions coming out left right and centre A pure spectacle to make hidden people a lot of money. This isn't conspiracy theory either. It's cold hard fact if you look at the research. Surfing is a largely a charade too, but for different reasons. Apart from perception benders, I think the athletes are pretty damn clean on the whole. So whats the difference from using PED's and rec. For me rec drugs would enhance elite surfing performance more than PED's. Surely there has to be a moral conscience issue with what happened to AI and all? No worries Ben, do some googling and there is a lot out there on PED use in world sport. What we are seeing in the media even now with everything seemingly coming to a head in some sports is only the tip of the iceberg. Most sports still don't wanna deal with it. I agree with you barley. I think REC drugs have more potential to enhance surfing potential too. MMA hands out bans for fighters testing positive for marijuana metabolites and any other illegal REC drug. They also hand out TRT testosterone replacement therapy exemptions to fighters who apply and seemingly justify why they need it. These fighters can then not be punished by showing massively elevated testosterone ratios It;s controversial to say the least. Testing protocols are all over the place in MMA with different states and countries applying different rules and testing regimes. AFL is an interesting one. They have their 3 strikes policy with REC drugs. This is borne from the afl having an internally run anti-doping program where-buy everything is at their discretion. Massive potential for corruption and cover-ups due to conflicts of interest. It's hard to tell exactly how well it runs. But I suspect not so well. Out of competition testing should focus on HGH and Testosterone. Barley, as far as moral conscience goes An internal systems, such as the AFL's can attempt to do both with variable discretionary protocols in place. If surfing make a serious anti-doping effort they will need to decide to go external or internal for their testing and punishing protocols. If they go external, surfers and industry are not going to like the lifestyle changes they will need to make to avoid positive tests. At the very least they will need to be much smarter about their drug use. If it is internal then who knows what will transpire. I think there would be a massive debate regarding every facet of the protocols and it might end up looking something like the AFL Or just keep testing out of it on the basis that PEDs don't seem to be a massive problem and try and clean up the REC drug problem with an overhaul of culture and support systems. In other words, get their fucking houses in order and grow the fuck up. It's been the corps that provided the money for pro surfing and thus only the corps that had the money to set this up. It has obviously never been in the best interests to do any such thing. Effective anti-doping is ridiculously expensive and difficult to follow through with. It has to cover so many scientific and legal bases. Especially if they want to increase the competitive integrity and profile of surfing as a legitimate 'professional sport' in order to increase it's marketability to the masses and the professional world sporting stage. With the corps investment and ability to invest and influence over professional surfing culture and competition waning by the day and soon to be all but a whisper. I think the the culture and sport is going to have no choice but to change. I'm not saying the most marketable surfers still won't have big marketing endorsements from the corps, they will. But if they fall foul of ZoSeas rules and get kicked off the tour then they will only have the option of being free-surfers for the corps or their own personal marketing machines. It will be interesting to see how the corps change their marketing strategies with the ZoSea Paradigm i. The money could dry up for specific types of currently sponsored surfers. Could be a good thing Depends on how you view the place of all of these things in the wider surfing culture. Complex and interesting times for surfing. Perfect, the perfect angle for surfing to throw itself into the spotlight for future success. I can just see the headlines! The women are stoked. The other girls took out all the minor places with the heaviest drops and moves ever seen also. The obvious advantages of their muscle-less physiques was just too much and too suspicious! Other sports, err arts are catching on and following suit, doing away with weight divisions as well. Emotions just beat the crap out of me man! Gidday Crispy, are you saying women surfers can beat men, do bigger gouges, power of the bottom harder, hit the lip harder, all more often without tiring, paddle harder, and so on, because of a lack of muscle, caused by a lack of testosterone and a prevalence of estrogen? Or, is the exact opposite true. Is it? Or is it due to something else, like men are just somehow better coordinated, more clever and skillfull than women. I don't think so. Muscles obviously have a huge effect on surfing, so much so that a lack of muscle is even deemed life threatening in waves of consequence. Its good to truly look at things in depth. It can be so helpfull and revealing. Way off topic now, but maybe not if you are considering drugs and training. Years ago a good friend of mine really helped Tom Carroll keep his surfing career and lifestyle, by doing exactly what the supposed world's experts said wouldn't work. He did it with other elite, famous athletes too. He's dead now, and died a bitter man, bitter largely because his personality couldn't cope with the constant ignoring and quashing of his success by those so called experts, who had so much to lose by being so obviously, blatantly wrong. Even if you knew who the guy was, knew his name, the good old 'experts' standby, that is,'google it, google will save us, google will know', would barely bring up a hit, despite him resurrecting and prolonging the careers of some extremely famous, elite athletes. Here's a good human behaviour story. I sent two friends to him, to do exactly what I would do. My trainer friend and I both used the same, both had really similar ideas for stuffed backs. My two crippled friends and I lived in Elliston at the time. One could never stand something like following my advice, that I had helped him, never live with that, because of a bit of local dribble at the time I had a zero tolerance policy toward localism, especially if it involved the pack mentality as well. So despite the local dribble, still having compassion for the guy, I convinced him to go and see my friend, rather than listen to me, which could be reasoned away. The other, a doctor, who hated me always reminding him that doctors know next to zero about nutrition, training etc, had spent zillions both had to get the, exactly like my other friend, 'its unfixable, no more surfing', diagnosis, from the myriad of 'experts'. However, my trainer friend, who loved to help people, had some top surgeon friends whom the doctor contacted, and who had to reluctantly admit that he did help some pretty elite people. Away they went, both extremely sure it was a waste of time and money. Both could barely walk, hadn't surfed for ages, and were in agony, largely bed ridden unless on endless drugs and pain killers. Yet, despite that, despite what he did for them, they both admit that they have forgotten all about their crippled, pain riddled lives then, and at times even question whether my friend even helped them. Rather than be open to my friend's success, and explore it, it drove the 'experts' crazy. He was a really good guy, and a surfer to the core. We used to have massive conversations about all this stuff all things training, performance, etc, and although we disagreed on a lot, we became friends because we had discovered a lot of common ground too. I can still hear him, too blunt, too much to the point for many people. I actually use a similar approach myself. And, in the case of the majority of surfers, along the lines of 'fucked back'? What back, you have no back, and the strength and back of a 10 year old girl. No wonder its fucked. Fucked knee, fucked hammy's, what legs, thank God for boardies? Get a microscope so that we can see the things'. But those issues, and the consequences can be quickly, easily, clearly demonstrated, as can addressing them. Getting strong, balanced strength, true functional strength, getting the blood flowing, filling the blood with healing properties, the right, natural hormones and chemicals, anabolic v catabolic. Training is a cause, recovery the all powerfull effect. Wrong cause, wrong effect. In the end, it simply boils down to what's in your bloodstream, what effect did you elicit, and then support, hormone wise? That's why drugs are a huge issue. Because a teenager transforms totally, mentally and physically, bullet proof, cocky, whether they train or not, because of Those all powerfull triggers, that trigger everything in our physical body. There's zillions of them, not just the obvious ones, testosterone, estrogen, insulin, HGH, cortisol. Why a marathon runner, why a sprinter? Simple, its all about hormones. Hormones dictate the response s. If you really get it, no drugs, as you, your body can make them all. Good point crisp. And look at Jonny 'bones' Jones, the UFC's current light heavyweight champ and probably the most dangerous pound for pound fighter in the professional fighting world right now But uplift, as amusing as your muscle atrophying future scenario is I didn't say that 'muscles' didn't do much in surfing. I implied that 'non-functional muscles' were not much use in surfing. In pure power sports like sprinting, weightlifting etc where strength and power is paramount they are potent. But having big muscles in surfing is not necessarily going to help you. Steroids are powerful muscles builders and if used correctly with good training can certainly assist in building stronger functional muscles quickly. They also come with some major drawbacks. They generally stay in your system for a long time, and come with fairly obvious and and highly unpleasant side effects stiffness, acne, testicular shrinkage, roid rage etc. A surfer needs his muscles to be as functionally strong, supple and flexible as possible without being any bigger heavier than required. This can be achieved with far less money and side effects using testosterone and good training. Like you said though Google Christiane 'Cypborg' Santos! She could beat the crap out of Sorry, was writing when you posted uplift. Very interesting. I agree with you. Hormones are absolutely key. Drugs both 'natural' and synthetic are generally a shortcut for those that either don't know how, or don't want, to train and live in all the right ways to reach their full natural capabilities. The body can do incredible things when trained correctly. Uplift - just making witty observations, not having a go. I couldn't give 2 shits if the pros are on the juice, orange or otherwise. I watch the CT events to see high pressure, high performance surfing as entertainment, the same reason I watch all sport. The reason I surf is above it all, I surf for me. The following is a quote from Tim Winton's book 'Breath'. How the wave drew me forward and I sprang to my feet, skating with the wind of momentum in my ears. I leant across the wall of upstanding water and the board came with me as though it was part of my body and mind. The blur of spray. The billion shards of light. I remember the solitary watching figure on the beach and the flash of Loonie's smile as I flew by; I was intoxicated. And though I've lived to be an old man with my own share of happiness for all the mess I made, I still judge every joyous moment, every victory and revelation against those few seconds of living. Gidday Grug, weight divisions. Even for Jones, and Silva, to protect them. Its Slater's extra testosterone and muscle and associated attitude that makes him far superior to women the same weight, but less muscle, different composition. No Tahiti, to protect them. Being lighter in muscle is no advantage to them at all. Its a stereotype to always associate muscle and size with negative performance. Surfing is a rookie, all top sports once swore by that and made that same mistake. Olympic lifting is the realm of manipulating true functional performance, strength and weight, and can be adapted to and added to for any desired result. Core strength, speed, coordination, flexibility, reality is quickly made clear. Shit, that's heavy and dangerous too, fuck that! How's me hovers but, time us mate! Gidday Crispy, you would love visiting the West Coast SA, so beautiful, pristine, natural and primal in the ocean. Totally embracing. Kelly Slater recreational drugs article. Log in or register to post comments. Recreational drug use is rife in society, not just surfing. It's human nature. In answer to your question- I think not. Yeah very interesting take YS. He's the golden goose after all. What picture did I paint? By: 'yorkessurfer' Hey Yorkey. First of all, the media -- mainstream media -- took everything he said out of context. Drugs r everywhere, but people portraying sqeaky clean images r hiding stuff By: 'sypkan' Huh? I think the surf media ALL, this isnt just about swellnet have tried to portray a squeaky clean image to increase marketability By: 'sypkan' Are you kidding? Specifics would be nice, sypkan. Yorkessurfer-duely noted I want to hear more about surfing on acid barley. Did you talk to any dolphins? Hi Ben, There is potential athletic advantage to be gained from any performance enhancing drug when used correctly. Fantastic reading - thanks Grug. Very insightful. Good stuff grug. Uptight - have you seen how skinny slaters legs are? Slater has it. The following is a quote from Tim Winton's book 'Breath' 'The way the swell rose beneath me like a body drawing in air. Gotta get some equipment to cater for athletes though. A glaring hole in surfing at the moment. Your browser has JavaScript disabled. Please enable it to continue.

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