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Nudity in public school physical activity classes
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"Willison H. Gormly" < hamr...@midusa.net > wrote: > > When I was growing up in the United States in the fifties and sixties I > only attended sexually segregated physical activity classes, except for > during the dancing unit. In 1978, Title IX went into effect. I was > surprised when an eighth-grade boy informed me that in his school boys and > girls were changing clothes and showering together. The law was vague until > the courts stated that in changing rooms and other places were nudity was > allowed, separate, but equal was acceptable. >
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> I am 33(male) and there was no co-ed nudity in my school either. In fact, its > hard for me to believe there was co-ed nudity anywhere. The male showers were > communal. The females had stalls with a small changing area outside them. We were > all required to take a shower but this was only sporadically enforced. We tended > to avoid the showers not because of an an aversion to nudity but because there > were no blow-dryers and we didn't want to go to our next class with a wet head. > Silly I know, but most of junior high was. > > philip...@my-dejanews.com wrote: >
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La...@digiscape.com wrote: > I am 33(male) and there was no co-ed nudity in my school either. In fact, its > hard for me to believe there was co-ed nudity anywhere. The male showers were > communal. The females had stalls with a small changing area outside them. We were > all required to take a shower but this was only sporadically enforced. We tended > to avoid the showers not because of an an aversion to nudity but because there > were no blow-dryers and we didn't want to go to our next class with a wet head.
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So 1978 was a very interesting year. Any 33 year old people out there who experienced coed showers, or was this school the only one that was uh, confused?
Wish mine was about 12 years earlier!
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>> Even though I am preaching to the chior. Can any one give me a good >>reason why in public school hysical activity classes should not be allowed >>to preformed in the nude, if the student is comforable with being nude.
>Because there might be parents who do not allow it.
In the USA, there are parents who don't want their children to learn about evolution. Any serious school system teaches it anyway.
> In article <783evg$ 7h...@news.midusa.net >, > "Willison H. Gormly" < hamr...@midusa.net > wrote: > >
> > When I was growing up in the United States in the fifties and sixties I > > only attended sexually segregated physical activity classes, except for > > during the dancing unit. In 1978, Title IX went into effect. I was > > surprised when an eighth-grade boy informed me that in his school boys and > > girls were changing clothes and showering together. The law was vague until > > the courts stated that in changing rooms and other places were nudity was > > allowed, separate, but equal was acceptable. > > >
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Summerskills School is a co-ed school here in the UK for children aged between 5 and 18 and they operates a "clothes optional" policy with swimming lessons.
When I was at school, we had segregated changing rooms connected by a door, which was an Emergency Exit and so it was left unlocked. After the teacher had left us to get changed after the lesson, we would "dare" each other to run into the girls changing room and the girls would do the same.
One day, there was a lot of giggling in the girls changing room. Suddenly, the door was opened and all of the girls walked into the room nude. The next lesson, the boys did the same. Pretty soon, the door was left permanently open and we used to effectively "share" one room.
I was only about 8 or 9 at the time, but it has made a lasting impression on me and was my first experience of communal nudity.
I'm a little late to this thread but it was an interesting one and I wanted to mention it to my girlfriend and respond with both a male and female perspective:
We've both lived in the US all our lives and neither has ever heard of Co-ed anything involving nudity at the highschool level. Colleges, perhaps, somewhere, but not up to age 18. The situation at high school today is very anti-nudity even in same sex situations much less co-ed.
I graduated HS in 1987 and she in 1994. I had elementary grades 1-8 education and high school 9-12; my recollection is that we began changing for phys ed in the 6th grade and thats when the showering began. It was mandatory, and just the old big communal room at each place. I had to take phys ed up to 10th grade and it was the same policy all the way through. I dont ever remember the teacher having a hard time enforcing the mandatory policy with a classmate; it was so impossible to imagine getting out of it that nobody tried.
I saw the girls locker rooms at both my elementary school and high school and they were exactly the same as ours except the communal room had I think a curtain hanging over the entrance; ours was open. The girls had to shower after phys ed too. I know they always went in 5 minutes sooner than we did because I guess they required more time.
My girlfriend Lori's experience was middle school 7-9, then high school 10-12. Her middle school required showers, their room was communal with those miserable cylinder poles that have 5 or 6 nozzles shooting water out all around it. Her middle school gym teacher had the cruel but effective tactic of not giving any towels out until every girl was either in the showers or had a given a valid excuse - this was really using peer pressure!! (Imagine having the wrath of all your friends on your back if you dragged your feet getting into the showers).
Her high school experience is the interesting one, though, and a possible example of what schools today ought to be doing. Phys ed was required only up to 10th grade for her also, and like many students that was her one and only year she took it. Showering was not required, BUT the teacher would record who showered and give extra credit for it on the grounds that the student was exhibiting good hygienic practice. A very good idea, I think...in theory.
In her experience, it did not work out that well. Extra credit be damned, most of her classmates, maybe 3/4, never took a shower once the whole year. Of the others (and her classses averaged maybe 25 students) 6-7 started out each quarter taking showers but half of them would soon stop (some after one single time --toooo awful!) Each time only about 3 or 4 would stick it out the whole quarter. Lori was trying to get into a private college upon graduation (she did! and a good one) and wanted as high a GPA as she could get, so she decided she could stand it for one year if it meant getting one grade higher on her report card.
Her school's locker room was unfortunately particularly open, like a big rectangle. She could wear a towel to the shower room okay, and in the shower room would be only the same familiar few, that wasn't so bad; she didn't mind her teacher's presence particularly - the woman made sure their showers lasted longer than 5 seconds but did not seem to go out of her way to observe them. But upon leaving the showers she felt that an unnecessarily large number of the class took advantage of the situation to glance over at her and the others for "a free look" as they dried off, which they usually did right outside the shower entrance. There it was at least better than at your locker next to other people sitting around already dressed. As she said, the room was too damn open and that was a large reason why only a few in the class participated, she thought.
The worst was days when, as sometimes happened, you were the only one showering as you then became the sole focus for idle looks. The more that showered the easier it was for any one person, because you stood out less. She became good at drying off very quickly and getting to her locker as fast as possible.
Anyway, she stuck it out all the way through the year and got nothing lower than a B for her phys ed grades, which was better than she had normally gottten in middle school (she is not at all athletic) so she felt it was worth it. The other girls that showered were like her, trying to maximize their GPAs, or in a few cases were so bad at phys ed they were just trying to ensure getting a C. There was almost nobody that took a shower on occasion just for the sake of washing off and getting clean - the classes seemed to become strictly either the regulars or the absolute boycotters. She thought that without extra credit virtually no showers would have been taken and none by her either.
So, although it was not a huge success at her school (this was a semi-rural public school in northern pennsylvania by the way) doesn't it seem like an idea that schools should adopt? It IS doing something extra, and it IS demonstrating good hygiene. I think it would at least keep the idea of taking a shower with members of your own sex from becoming completely exttinct. Perhaps with locker rooms offering a little more privacy (and individual stalls would of course help a lot) this concept could really take hold. If there are any parents out there that want to do something more than bemoan the step by step retreat of nudity from society, perhaps you could take action by proposing this to your school district somehow.
>On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 20:29:10 -0600, "Willison H. Gormly" >< hamr...@midusa.net > wrote in rec.nude:
>>Can any one give me a good >>reason why in public school hysical activity classes should not be allowed >>to preformed in the nude, if the student is comforable with being nude.
>Because there might be parents who do not allow it.
In that case, nudist parents should prohibit their children from wearing clothing in gym class. They can cite promotion of bacterial infection as a reason.
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The Naked in School (NIS) story series is a series of erotic stories in which schools require select individuals to attend school nude for one week. Although I know that could not truly occur at this point in time, I would like to know what your responses would be if it could. This poll is adult in nature and deals with nudity and sexual situations. Go away if this offends you.
Age and Gender of all children in household including yourself (mark as many as needed)
In the original (there have been some changes over time) NIS storyline, one male and one female student from each high school grade was required to be completely nude for one week. The students were picked at random for every week of the school year. Would you like to see a similar plan instituted at your school (or your children's school)? NOTE: If you answer "No" - you may as well leave now - the whole poll is based on instituting this plan.
The nude students were also required to attend all school related activities in the nude, including those occuring off campus or after normal school hours. Is this acceptable?
No - they should not have to go off campus nude
No - they should not have to remain nude for after school activities
Nude students were permitted to come to school dressed and required to disrobe upon entering the building (or sometimes right outside the building). Is this acceptable?
No. They should be required to leave home nude regardless of how they travel to get to school.
No. They should be required to disrobe as soon as they got on school owned property - so those who rode school buses must ride nude.
No. They should be undressed by other students at their first period class.
No. They should be required to undress each morning in front of all students at an daily early morning assembly.
Nude students were required to use the opposit sex restrooms and locker rooms including showers after PE. Is this acceptable?
Yes. As long as there was adult supervision.
Yes. Even without adult supervision.
No. They should use their own restrooms and locker rooms.
No. They should use special toilets and showers placed out in the open so that all can see.
At the beginning of each class period, nude students could ask the teacher for sexual relief. The student would go to the front of the class and pick another student to come forward and masturbate him or her to orgasm. This was due to the recognition that the student may become so sexually aroused that he/she could not concentrate on lessons. Is this acceptable?
Yes. The student should be able to pick the person who will masturbate him or her if needed.
Yes. But the teacher should pick the student that will relieve the nude participant.
Yes. But the student should be picked at random.
Yes. But "relief" should be mandatory - meaning each nude student will be masturbated to orgasm at the beginning of each period.
Yes. But the student must masturbate himself or herself without other student help.
No. The nude student should not be permitted to orgasm during the day.
In most of the NIS stories, the "relief" was restricted to masturbation. Is that acceptable?
No. Should include oral stimulation.
In the NIS stories, the "relief" was always heterosexual in nature. Should "relief" include same sex individuals?
Yes. Regardless of the sexual orientation of the participants. This is supposed to be educational.
Yes. But only if the nude participant requests it.
Yes. But only if both nude participant and the "relief" provider agree.
No. It should be restricted to heterosexual activity only.
In the NIS stories, nude participants were expected to provide "reasonable" access of their body to other students, teachers, and administrators. This generally meant they could be felt up and groped while walking around campus. Is this acceptable?
No. They should be treated like any other student. Nudity does not imply sexual consent.
Yes. Students and teachers should be able to touch them whenever and wherever they are unless it prevents them from doing a required activity.
Yes. Students and teachers should be able to touch them whenever and wherever they are, even if it prevents them from fulfilling their school responsibilities.
Should this "reasonable" acces of their bodies to other students be limited to touching or should it include other sexual activites?
It should not include any sexual activity at all. Nudity does not imply sexual consent
It should be limited only to touching.
It should include orally stimulating the nude participant.
It should include requiring the nude participant to orally stimulate the student or teacher.
It should include sexual intercourse at the request of the nude participant.
It should include sexual intercourse regardless of the permission of the nude participant.
Should nude participants be required to perform special activities as needed depending on the subject being studied? For example - the obvious use of a student's body when studying biology or anatomy.
No. They should be treated exactly the same as if they were dressed.
Yes. But only if it advances the subject being studied.
Yes. But only if it advances the subject being studied or to do various classroom related activities at the front of the class (handing out papers, putting work on the chalkboard, etc).
Yes. The teacher may use the student in whatever way he or she desires regardless of what the subject matter may be.
In the NIS storyline, schools only chose one male and one female from each grade each week. This meant that there were nude participants all year long, but depending on the size of the school, the majority of the students would never be required to participate. Is that acceptable?
Yes. The purpose is to teach body acceptance and respect, not require total participation.
No. This is a valuable part of each student's education. The number of participants should be calculated to insure that each student participates at least once during his or her four years of high school.
No. This is a valuable part of each student's education. The number of participants should be calculated to insure that each student participates at least once during the school year.
In the NIS storyline, the nude participants invariably ended up being nude at home. Should this be required or left up to the individual families?
It should be up to the individual families whether participants are required to be nude at home.
Nude participants should be required to be nude at home as well as at school.
Nude participants should be required to be nude all day every day for the entire week including weekends no matter what they are doing.
Entire families should be required to participate whenever a child is participating - so the entire family must remain nude all week.
In most of the NIS stories, the program was only for high school students (grades 9-12). Should the program be instituted for younger children as well?
No. It should only be for high school students.
It should include middle or junior high students as well.
It should include all grades all the way down to kindergarten.
If you stated that the program should extend to younger children, does that include the sexual aspects as well or just the nudity?
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