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"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."
"I have seen hundreds of penises, and they all look the same and none are impressive."
"I think porn is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at porn. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."
I think you are grossly exaggerating the degree to which this is an issue and I'd like to see links to the threads you pulled from to create your narrative. Most of your problem seems to be related to what someone who works as a stripper or looks at male centerfolds in the break room thinks about her male patients. That is something nobody but the person who owns the mind that might or might not be thinking those thoughts has any way to know.
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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."
However, while pornography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.
For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:
It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.
I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."
On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.
Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.
Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?
If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *pornography* is the Greek word PORNEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)
If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)
Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?
Here's a post from a thread I recently found:
Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing porn to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of porn affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."
Other things such as mentioning penis sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?
When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."
In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?
Looking forward to your feedback and comments!
There are exceptions of course, but on the whole, humans are sexual beings. Nurses are humans. Although we don't engage our sexuality at work, we don't necessarily lose it entirely. Part of being professional as a nurse means being able to take care of a patient's body without betraying our own thoughts, prejudices, and judgments regarding that body.
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There are exceptions of course, but on the whole, humans are sexual beings. Nurses are humans. Although we don't engage our sexuality at work, we don't necessarily lose it entirely. Part of being professional as a nurse means being able to take care of a patient's body without betraying our own thoughts, prejudices, and judgments regarding that body.
Based on your post, OP, where are your sources of such information?
I have yet (and highly probable not) to engage in pornographic conversations with fellow coworkers nor have had a porno spread be visible in my employ, so I don't get using these small percentage of examples that you use as the "norm", when it isn't.
Also be aware that even at AllNurses, not everyone that posts are ALL nurses ; you are going to get differing opinions from non-nurses as well.
I agree that we are sexual beings. And nurses do not deal with patient nudity the same way. I have heard of nurses becoming desensitized to the nudity that they see. I also agree that as long as the caregiver does not engage in anything but clinical care and professional behavior (at least outwardly) then the patient has no right to complain.
But other parts of the post have not been answered or addressed. Thanks for your input...
I am glad that you do not engage in such behavior but you are but one nurse in a sea of thousands! I never said any of this was the "norm" only that it has occurred... but I believe based on anecdotal evidence that it occurs more than we'd like to admit.
Just because you have never seen this does not mean it isn't happening. Take a look at patient modesty blogs. All stories are not made up.
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Just because you have never seen this does not mean it isn't happening. Take a look at patient modesty blogs. All stories are not made up.
I've been in this business for almost 15 years; I've gone to work hundreds of shifts as a CNA, LPN and now RN ; these "porno sessions" have not occurred; when the focus is on the pt and the work needs to be done, the aspect of professionalism is maintained more than you think it is.
And where are your links? If you are going to start a conversation about A subject, the most you can do is set up a link to it; I'm not going to search a pt modesty blog; seriously? What for, when I'm in this business, and have worked in settings that have maintained professionalism, and go to a site that has subjective information that may be skewed; I'll leave that to you to provide the specific links, THEN I will provide an additional perspective.
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However, while pornography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.
For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:
“I’ve seen more body parts than I care to mention…no big deal...”
“I have seen hundreds of penises, and they all look the same and none are impressive.”
It’s clear that nurses can be trained to “get past the nudity” so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.
I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse’s professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning “moral turpitude”. Still others made statements such as “What we do outside our places of employment is our business…”
On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it’s legal, dont’cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper’s safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the “professional” image of nurses in general.
Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: mercy and morality.
Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals… some have none at all, it seems. But don’t you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?
If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our english word *pornography* is the greek word PORNEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered “prostitution.” You are in a sense “prostituting” yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect… just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn’t a prostitute do the same thing?)
If a patient recognised the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain’t fantasy, myrtle, it’s actually happening!) at the hospital, don’t you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn’t it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)
Don’t you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?
Here’s a post from a thread I recently found:
“I think porn is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at porn. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a "prude".
Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing porn to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of porn affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don’t know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental “peep show.”
Other things such as mentioning penis sizes at the nurse’s station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient’s size if she sees hundreds and “none are impressive”? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn’t know, it shouldn’t matter, right?
When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with “We are professionals and want to be treated as such.” When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, “We are human.”
In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?
Looking forward to your feedback and comments!
I think you are grossly exaggerating the degree to which this is an issue and I'd like to see links to the threads you pulled from to create your narrative. Most of your problem seems to be related to what someone who works as a stripper or looks at male centerfolds in the break room thinks about her male patients. That is something nobody but the person who owns the mind that might or might not be thinking those thoughts has any way to know.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Rehab, Trauma.
Has 10 years experience.
8,427 Posts
Those examples are based on two (hypothetical?) perspectives which make up possibly 10% of nursing populace (even though I'm sure it's smaller) which is a stretch in the big scheme of things.
The OP also seems to be focused on particular thread that looks to only provide information from anonymous posters that may or may not be nurses or have subjective bias.
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