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Is this the way Boy Scouts used to be. On top of just putting the kids in harm's way, they send them in naked. This is like an early episode of Naked and Afraid. I'm just guessing there would be a few objections these days if anyone tried to do something like this. On the other hand, my youngest thought this was the coolest adventure ever. LOL. Any excuse!

Have any of you seen this before? http://www.merrycoz.org/annex/scouts/SCOUTS.HTM
I was never a boy scout but knowing some of the ones I went to school with probably only when swimming.

Of course those were the days before political correctness and the worry about the pedophiles in the world became common knowledge.
I have been with the scouts for one year in the early seventies. I was a bit of a loner and my parents thought I needed to socialize more.
While we weren't sent out naked of course, I soon got the distinct feeling I was all about toughening you up. I clearly remember our Christmas camp. We set out on a 20 mile train journey to the seaside. After 10 miles or so however we were told we were getting off the train and would continue the remaining 10 miles along an old railway track. Most of us boys however were dressed for a railway trip and not for a 10 mile hike out in the freezing cold. Many were wearing the typical uniform, which meant shorts in those days. And I can assure you shorts were still short back then.
As for sleepwear, despite the winter season, it was the habit of sleeping in just your briefs (tighty whities in the US).
When I told my parents about the camp, I was surprised to find out that they didn't seem to think all this was a big deal however.
I guess boys were less pampered in those days.
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I was only in Cub Scouts and we didn't do any camping.
My son was in Boy Scouts in the 1980s but by then gymnophobia had already taken hold so there was no nudity that I know of.
I'm sure nothing like this would be permitted today.
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I was in Boy Scouts in the late 60s/early 70s, and though nudity wasn't a particularly common occurrence, I can remember during Boy Scout camp we had gang showers that nobody had any problem with, and once or twice I saw other boys naked--tentmates changing to go swimming (which was not nude), for example. And at least one campsite had an outdoor shower that got used rarely but on occasion. I specifically remember one tentmate who had been napping naked in our tent changing into cut-off shorts without underwear, which was a new idea to me. If he had been going swimming like that if wouldn't have impressed me, but he was going for some other activity. In any case, this was still at the time when there was nothing remarkable about boys seeing each other naked--it happened, and it was no big deal.
I was in scouts for a while in the 60's. Nude swimming was the norm at our camp and leaders and boys showered together. Don't remember any nudity in camp other than in the showers and swimming area.
I was in the boy scouts in the 1950s and did some hiking and camping. But none of my neighborhood friends were scouts, so I eventually dropped out. A first cousin, however, was a boy scout executive. My son was in cub scouts and I went with him to a week-long camp. I don't know about him but I thorougly enjoyed the week. There were outdoor showers but most boys opted for the indoor showers. There was also swimming in the lake. I had to take the swimming test just like all the boys but suits were worn. There were a few women around but even so, it was unlikely there would have been any nude swimming.

I wonder if the book referenced above was inspired by a "stunt" in which a man went into the woods entirely naked to prove he could survive. I believe it was later shown that he faked it, just like on reality shows. I don't remember when that happened but the book was published in 1919. The Boy Scouts weren't even ten years old yet.

I think there was an element of "toughening up" the kids. It was mainly a city thing. Boys that lived out in the country were outside all the time and scouting really wasn't aimed at them. There had been a general feeling around the turn of the century that everything had been done, the frontier no long existed and everyone was getting soft. The founders in this country drew on Indian lore extensively and they were also big on "woodcraft," and "campcraft," and generally just getting out into the woods and doing things city and suburban boys weren't able to do. There were many influences but they all had something to do with a golden age of frontier life. There were other similiar boy's organizations before and since. And not surprisingly, there are now scout organizations that want to return to "the golden age of scouting" and do more primitive things.

Thanks for the link, by the way.
I just thought I'd add here that there was an adolescent adventure series about the Boy Scouts as well as some very similiar series from the WWI period, all about boys going off and doing things that ordinary real-life boys never did. Probably the ultimate series was the Hardy Boys or maybe Tom Swift and Tom Swift, Jr. They were all well off and had boats and motorcycles. There were other shorter series and single volumes from several writers.

One such book was "Bill Bolton and Hidden Danger." Bill is seventeen and accompanied by a younger friend Charlie, younger by a year or two (born Feb. 29th!) who investigate a mysterious house somewhere up North. At one point in the story, they take a bath/swim in a secluded cove and without bathing suits. Bill goes swimming but Charlie just wades in and then "sits naked on the beach" because "Charlie wasn't much for aquadics." Then Bill is shot at, nearly drowns but's rescued and wakes up to find he's being tended by a girl (he doesn't get the girl!). So nudity (or nakedness) is casually mentioned in passing. But they chase down the bad guys and help the police capture them in 251 pages. I wonder how the police would be treated in a story like this today? I also doubt that nudity would be mention but I'm absolutely certain the book wouldn't be 251 pages long.
As usual the nudity's remarkable, but I think sending out a couple of kids to survive out in the wilderness may be even more so. (Was it understood that adults would be following them unseen, to make sure they didn't get into any life-threatening situations?)

I was in the Boy Scouts for just a short time (Webelos) and went on one campout, but it was early Spring and too cold for swimming, so I'll never know what the practice was as far as suits or no suits. No nudity, sleeping or otherwise that I remember.
Nations, regions, generations, cultures, families and individuals have all compartmentalized semi/nudity in ways that were acceptable and made sense to them, but shocked, offended or surprised other nations, regions, generations, cultures, families and individuals. In the final analysis, it may all be arbitrary.
I haven't read the story yet, only just skimmed over the first few pages. However, the thinking is sort of in line with the times, in a twisted sort of way. I don't think scouts ever did anything like that in real life but frontier life was still a vivid memory at the time and people thought there were no new worlds to conquer, in a manner of speaking and that boys were becoming soft. At least, that's how I see it. It's difficult to put yourself in the mindset of the times but you might recall that during the American Civil War, twelve year old drummer boys went off to battle with their regiments. These days anything like that would be unthinkable--but we have female sailors on board ships.

These days you'd have trouble finding wilderness but some people have a pretty mild idea of what wilderness is. But in any case, it seems like the concept of sending people off to survive like that is still interesting. And just think: they didn't even get to take along their para-cord bracelet.
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What do an elementary schoolteacher, a voodoo cultist, a shipping clerk and a prison guard have in common?
Each has a "perversion file" kept by the Boy Scouts of America in secret records that detail decades of sex abuse allegations.
Almost 300 cases involving men and Boy Scout troops throughout Illinois are among the 1,200 secret Boy Scout files released last week by order of the Oregon Supreme Court.
In Illinois, the files date to the 1960s and extend through the ensuing five decades. The Boy Scouts of America used these records to prevent blackballed Scout leaders from returning to the organization with other troops. The files are filled with correspondence between the leadership of the Scouts and troop leaders, interviews with Scouts and parents, as well as newspaper clippings about arrest reports and molestation trials.
Information in the files was used against the Boy Scouts in a 2010 lawsuit alleging six Scouts were molested by a Scout Master in the 1980s. The Oregon firm representing the six Scouts in the lawsuit fought for the release of the secret “perversion files” and ultimately won a $20 million judgment . The records were submitted to the court under seal as evidence in the lawsuit, but Oregon’s high court ordered the files to be opened to the public.
These records were so secret even some Boy Scout leaders didn't know they existed. The files have been posted to the web in recent days. The names of volunteers expelled by the Boy Scouts are included in many but not all of the files, and victims’ names have been redacted.
PATCH DATABASE: Search for your town and troop in the Illinois "perversion files"
Wayne Perry, the national president of the Boy Scouts of America, released the following statement: “There have been instances where people misused their positions in Scouting to abuse children, and in certain cases, our response to these incidents and our efforts to protect youth were plainly insufficient, inappropriate, or wrong. Where those involved in Scouting failed to protect, or worse, inflicted harm on children, we extend our deepest and sincere apologies to victims and their families.”
Who were those victims and families?
In Joliet, the boys of Troop 239 fell victim to a prison guard during a camping trip. In Bensenville, the boys in Troop 444 were forced to strip naked for their troop leader so he could rub ice cubes on their bodies. In Oak Lawn, the Scout leader for Troop 1600 forced his boys to endure oral sex. A boy from Troop 294 in Chicago was sexually assaulted three times during a single trip to a Naperville campground.
These are just four cases in the hundreds of Illinois files involving troops in Batavia, Chicago Heights, Downers Grove, Forest Park, Frankfort, Joliet, Naperville, Oak Lawn, Plainfield, St. Charles, Wheaton and dozens of other Illinois communities.
While expelling suspected sexual predators from its ranks, the Boy Scouts also kept the abuse under wraps and failed to report some Scout leaders to the authorities. Several letters in the files reveal Scout leadership's expressed intent to keep the reported sex crimes "confidential."
No longer confidential, here is a glimpse into the Boy Scouts of America "perversion files." Patch will continue to report on all Chicago-area files as they are opened to the public.
JOLIET, CUB PACK 239 AND SCOUT TROOP 239
In 1970, Patrick Farrell was a 40-year-old state prison guard, a Cubmaster with Cub Pack 239 and assistant Scoutmaster with Troop 239. A year into his duty with the Scouts, allegations arose that he molested boys in his care. But three months after Farrell quit the Scouts, the BSA was reluctant to blacklist him, according to his file.
Earl L. Krall, a director with the Boy Scouts, sent a Jan. 28, 1971, letter to Rainbow Council Scout Executive Alfred I. Gardner asking for “some concrete evidence of his antisocial behavior.” Two months later, Krall got his concrete evidence in the form of a newspaper clipping recounting Farrell’s conviction for “'taking indecent liberties' with two boys at a LaSalle County campground.”
The newspaper clip in the file states that Farrell was sentenced to two years in prison.
“This is precisely the type of information we need for our file,” Boy Scouts Registration and Membership Supervisor Paul Ernst wrote of the clipping in April 1971, noting that such information “should help us in the future, should this individual ever again attempt to register in the scouting program."
In Bensenville, the boys of Bensenville Moose Lodge Boy Scout Troop 444 were told they needed to get naked as part of their initiation into the Scouts. In this file, signed testimony from several Scouts details how an Elmhurst man, in his 20s at the time told the boys to lie down naked while the Scout leader rubbed ice on them.
"Initiation consisted of me taking down my pants and off my shirt in front of the other boys, who told me he also did it to them," one 14-year-old boy wrote in June 1975. "This was about 9 or 10 months ago at Whitewater. He used a little cube of ice and rubbed it on my belly, thy (thigh) and once in a while on my penis while I was lying down."
The assistant Scoutmaster claimed in a letter to Boy Scout leadership that the troop leader admitted to assaulting 13 boys in the troop after parents came forward in June of 1975.
A letter to the accused from Scout Executive Walter Johnson, dated June 24, 1975, states: "After careful review, we have decided that your registration with the Boy Scouts of America should be suspended. … Please also understand that this decision and the reasons for it will be maintained as confidential."
There is nothing in the file to indicate whether this abuse was reported to police or if the Scout leader in question was ever arrested and prosecuted.
In Oak Lawn, Thomas Hacker crafted the public persona of a wholesome family man and schoolteacher. But Hacker was able to hide his secret past of abusing young boys from his employers, friends, neighbors—and the Boy Scouts of America. The earliest record in Hacker’s “perversion” file is a “confidential record sheet” dated June 8, 1970, in which a Boy Scout official recommends that Hacker be placed in the “ineligible volunteer file” after he pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 14-year-old boy in Indianapolis.
Hacker's sentence of one to five years in an Indiana prison was suspended on the stipulation he receive psychiatric treatment. Hacker received permission to relocate to Chicago’s northwest suburbs, where a year later he pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of indecent liberties with a child. But Hacker does not appear in the Boy Scout perversion files again until 17 years later—after he was charged with six counts of aggravated sexual assault for molesting three Boy Scouts, ages 11 and 13, from St. Louis de Montfort Church in Oak Lawn in 1988, according to published news reports in his confidential file.
Eventually, he would be charged with 25 counts of having oral sex with underage Boy Scouts. At his 1989 trial, Cook County prosecutors said Hacker was able to elude the Boy Scouts of America’s internal controls for tracking pedophiles by changing his middle initial. He was convicted and is currently is serving a 30-year prison sentence. He is listed as a “sexually dangerous person” in the Illinois Sex Offender Registry.
The first inkling that Boy Scout Troop 294 from Douglas Park had a leadership problem surfaced at a “Camporee” in May 1977, when troop leaders were said to be playing cards and imbibing in alcoholic beverages while supervising the youths. A month later, a pair of twenty-something Scoutmasters would be arrested and charged with several counts of sexually assaulting an 11-year-old boy at a Boy Scout camp near Naperville.
According to news reports of the day, Charles Fugate, of Chicago, whose hobby was “voodoo cultism,” lured the 11-year-old to the woods under the pretense of earning a merit badge and then sexually assaulted him. The boy was assaulted two more times on the camping trip, including another attack in a tent as another Boy Scout slept.
Chicago police arrested Fugate after the 11-year-old boy’s father confronted the 22-year-old assistant Scoutmaster at his home. He was released without charges when police learned the assault occurred in DuPage County. Fugate went on the lam until he surrendered himself to authorities a few days later.
Patrick Allen Weglarz was charged with concealing a fugitive — Fugate — as well as two counts of contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor. Weglarz was alleged to have been present during two of the attacks on the 11-year-old boy. Astonishingly, both Scout leaders were allowed to take a group of Boy Scouts camping the weekend after their arrests, where another assault occurred.
A DuPage County record of criminal indictment said that Welgarz “placed his mouth on the sex organ” of the victim. Welgarz, 26 at the time, and his 22-year-old assistant, were charged with taking indecent liberties with a 12-year-old Boy Scout.
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Sep 20, 2013 #1 Is this the way Boy Scouts used to be. On top of just putting the kids in harm's way, they send them in naked. This is like an early episode of Naked and Afraid. I'm just guessing there would be a few objections these days if anyone tried to do something like this.
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