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Nasty Horse
Nasty - Maiden Win, Indiana Grand, June 18, 2020 Coady Photography
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
Nasty wins 2020 Allowance at Indiana Grand Coady Photography
Nasty - Maiden Win, Indiana Grand, June 18, 2020 Coady Photography
Nasty - Maiden Win, Indiana Grand, June 18, 2020 Coady Photography
Nasty wins the Lady Of Shamrock Stakes Saturday, December 26, 2020 at Santa Anita Park Benoit Photo
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23 July 2014
Having read a lot of posts but not commented on them all, I have often read people describing a horse as nasty or dangerous.
To me there is a difference between the two. A dangerous horse may be so out of pain, fear, or instinct etc. With time, the right understanding and correct diagnosis, these horses usually can come good. A nasty horse will be one that is intentionally out to cause harm to human or other animal, thus also making it dangerous and usually it will never come completely good.
I think there seems to be a great confusion between the two, and I am getting more and more maddened by the amount of people that label their horses nasty or dangerous, with little understanding as to WHY they get the reaction they do. Rather than choose to evaluate what they have in front of them, the reasons for it through vet, farrier, experienced rider etc, they label it as a wrong'un and try to fob it off.
Now I know that is a sweeping generalisation and most horse owners are the exact opposite and have the horses best interests at heart! But truly, how many of you have met a nasty horse, rather than one that is labelled 'dangerous' or 'bad tempered' out of misunderstanding? I don't think I have ever met one that was truly nasty- I am talking all out to ensure you are hurt/killed. Naughty and dangerous behaviour has often been explained months down the line with diagnosis of pain or injury in those that have been described as nasty or dangerous.
I am not looking for a debate about what to do with these types of horses, as we all know what options there are and I don't want to turn this into a rehabilitate or pts argument! Just curious as to how many have met what they would call a genuinely 'nasty' horse?
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I have NEVER met a truly NASTY horse....
My last horse was a stubborn git and was extremely wily with it! I adored him despite the acrobatics he put me through. More recently he started becoming "dangerous" but this was due to kissing spines and through no fault of his own. He was acting nasty but not because he wanted to, purely because he was in pain.
A lot of horses are labelled dangerous but they are not nasty intentionally. I think I only remember a small pony mare ever being "nasty" for the point of it and that was because she loathed kids!!!!!! Thats a fair reason!
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Most aggressive types have been spoilt or badly handled and can be turned round in professional hands.
I did have one which killed a few sheep and tried to kill my dog, but he had been sold to someone who had not been able to cope, the horse was difficult to handle and to ride, he would have been OK in professional hands, but would never be a pet.
If you see how some stallions behave, many people would consider them to be dangerous, but they are predictable, and a good stallion man can usually build a working relationship with them.
Nasty is not the same as dangerous, nasty is one who takes advantage and it is a well considered behaviour.
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I think that most 'nasty' horses usually have it because of a pain response / behaviour issue caused by a medical condition. However I do know a few horses that would have a go at you if you entered their stable or field by turning their backend at you and kicking or even charging with teeth gnashing !
Although there were probably good psychological reasons for it it was pretty offensive behaviour !
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The only nasty horse I have met was a stud stallion - stabled 24 hours a day in a barn with no view of the outside and never got out of his stable apart from covering in hand.
He would go for you, and mean it and I mean teeth and legs.
I honestly believe that's why he was nasty - stir crazy.
I left after a very short period of time working there as I couldn't stand the fact that these stallions were treated like that.
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I've ridden horses for 28 years and I've only met 2 bad ones. Both were VERY aggressive towards people. Lunging over stable, chasing people with teeth and feet in the field. Seriously scary. If they'd been mine I wouldn't have hesitated in puting them down. They both injured a few people...
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I bred one nasty horse that I posted out on the other thread that's running .
She was aggressive almost from birth , biting was her first vice and I mean biting not nipping .
We got that under control with repetition and by making sure we protected ourselves we handled her well did all the right things her yearling and two year years passed ok we handled with care and had to be very careful about the farrier and stiff like that ,in her three yo year I started a little groundwork and grooming daily teaching about rugs a roller and stuff like that she was very handy with her forelegs and less with her back ones but I did not trust her .
We worked on until day she got me on the head while grooming it was not sensible to continue I had hoped that work would settle her , the vet had checked all the stuff they could think of FWIW I think she would have something wrong with her we just never found what it was .
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I have met one once. 17.2hh of pure simmering evil. He once picked a child up and threw her.
The only nasty horse I have met was a stud stallion - stabled 24 hours a day in a barn with no view of the outside and never got out of his stable apart from covering in hand.
He would go for you, and mean it and I mean teeth and legs.
I honestly believe that's why he was nasty - stir crazy.
I left after a very short period od time working there as I couldn't stand the fact that these stallions were treated like that by everyone bar me.
I have met one once. 17.2hh of pure simmering evil. He once picked a child up and threw her.
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Pie was called 'nasty' and 'dangerous' when I first got him as he used to bite (proper lunge over stable door mouth wide open kind of biting) plus he had no brakes or schooling and a cracking 180 spin if he was scared.
He was my first horse and I was at the time your average riding school kind of rider ok walk trot canter and could pop a jump. The fact that he is now praised on his manners, doesn't bite and has jumped at the Winter Leage finals at Cricklands speaks for itself really. He was neither dangerous or nasty, just a badly handled misunderstood young chap.
In our case it was just kind, consistent handling and many lessons that overcame the issues. I didn't do anything that any other reasonably confident rider could have done - but equally if he had gone to the wrong person he could have hurt someone badly.
I have been lucky that I have never met a truely nasty horse. Quirky, mishandled hurting or damaged, yes.
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This situation makes me so sad. Poor thing.
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A willingness to see nastiness surely helps. For a horse to have offensive behaviour, there needs to exist someone to be offended.
Also, a horse may have the intention to harm a human or other animal, but have a good reason to do so from its (or a purely 'biological') point of view.
So, while I have encountered many aggressive horses and/or horses with undesirable traits which made them more dangerous than most horses, I wouldn't they were 'nasty'.
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I think the most important sentence in the OP was the bit about "a professional person." Because if you are the owner/handler of a horse that you have had a bad experience with it is VERY difficult to start again from scratch, because you often literally bear the scars and you are carrying a lot of mental baggage. Can you ever again look with love at a horse that has "deliberately" hurt you?
After years of horse and pony handling my first horse after a 10 year break was nasty to handle, the first one I had ever had and I was stumped for a while, and even dreaded bringing her in from the field to put her rug on at night. She would bite and kick and she remains the ony horse ever to have kicked me. I did manage in the end, after asking for a lot of advice and going to what I would call "alternative" people - the Tellington Touch, Monty Roberts, Parelli routes. I didn't do it all, BUT it all helped. I also heard LOTS of sad stories on the way of nasty and difficult animals, some turned around completely to be "normal" others turned around enough to be OK riding horses, with care. MOSTLY the original causes were physical, and following on from that led to bad handling which led the horse to think that all humans were threatening and bad and to attack first .............
My horse was fantastic to ride (if you were careful about her kicking other horses!) and in the end I sold her to som
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