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Ratcliffiddles replied to TimRobinson 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to xwenhan 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to 1alpha 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to Jacob 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to luthier 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to jmannsback 's topic in The Pegbox. Ratcliffiddles replied to reedharris 's topic in The Pegbox. Home Page. Everything posted by Ratcliffiddles Prev 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 Next Page 57 of West Dean College since you'll be in West Sussex, may have an open day. By all means, come and say hello. If you don't count grapes as 'fruit', then, this Fizz from West Sussex is worth a try. If you're an amateur of red, though, apart from beetroot wine you may be disappointed It will take years to shake off the bad reputation the UK has had in the past, but there is good stuff here now if you're a bit picky and very good if you're loaded BTW, my worst restaurant experience was in Venice, closely followed by Bergerac in France. You would have to have a very good reason to graft a head of an existing bow. In this case, I can' see it. And if the ivory? You would normally graft a suitable piece of wood, meaning matching as much as possible the rest of the stick and carve it in the appropriate style, in this case probably late John Dodd. Dodd's wood can indeed be some of the most attractive and dense wood I have seen. The frog looks like it may be right for a Dodd, so does the stamp. The head, on the other hand is completely wrong, and I can just see on one of your pictures that it is a spliced head Old wood vs. From the best available macro pictures, high res 10mp four pictures per side. And the maker trained in Cremona. Both on the continent and by me personally, and the violin is a Italian violin, as you say, 'Sweet'! Jmann When using established and tested methods, the only shortcoming in dendrochronology is lack of data. I would prefer if you were specific about the other shortcomings every one knows about that you are talking about and maybe I could answer your statement more fully. I will repeat that Cremonese instruments, for the main part, show great affinity in their dendrochronological results. These are the findings experienced by all the people who practise dendrochronology on instruments and have enough data to witness this in their results. You mean you saw a nice Vuillaume you or some people thought was the real thing? The few Vuillaume with early dendrochronological dates haven't so far shown any relationship with wood used in Cremona by Classical makers such as Strad and Guarneri, whose instrument often show strong affinity dendrochronologically. Janito, I was of course, not thinking of the Messie, but knew somebody would. There is actually some quite exciting recent news on that, as a colleague has recently measured the first non-Strad violin with wood which shows all the signs of coming from the same log as that of the Messiah. I think this would be the exception, as most Vuillaume I measured for dendrochronology point to recent wood, or certainly not old enough to have come from a much older chalet. Although possible, the likelihood of extracting much suitable tonewood from a chalet is remote. There is however, the very occasional Vuillaume with dendrochronological date in the 17th century. Anybody familiar with this decoration? We rarely disagree, Bob, and the pictures are still too fuzzy to be sure, but this type of chunky pegbox is what I was expecting to see. The German ones I've seen are obviously German, to me this one isn't. Anyway, we don't have to agree ALL the time Alpha, what is the profile of the linings like, smooth, rough, angled? Although the pictures aren't great, I would say that this violin looks like it should do if it were an English fiddle of the , 'late Betts type' Not necessarily a Furber, but I think that's pretty close. Look on the linings of the C bout, sometimes they are stamped. The corners, especially on the front, give it away for me, anyway. The scrolls are often also quite distinctive, and not always good, but never look German in my opinion, often quite flat in the carving of the volute, so a good picture would be good. Here's another one. Sounds like a pressed back rather than carved? I've seen many pressed JTL fiddles. Johann Christian Ficker. Dendrochronology: Ratcliffiddles replied to jmannsback 's topic in The Pegbox. In many respects, the dendro-climatic signal in the Alps over the centuries, at a certain altitude, is fairly uniform. This is proven and observable while cross dating reference chronologies from different parts of the Alps, and some of them, although sampled kms or more apart, correlate beautifully. There are also some, however, sampled in locations in between, which do not respond as well as others further apart. Not knowing the location of growth, is no longer a problem in many instances, as the speed of computers, having dramatically increased in recent years, allows the user of dedicated software, to cross date against the whole database, and not be selective as to what instruments or reference he uses. The final output can then be considered objectively, and the highest statistical results, when suitably replicated can be assessed and tested, both graphically and if required by other accepted statistical methods further, to confirm and validate the date reached. The computer programs used are all based on accepted apart from one statistical parameters, or a combination of them in some cases to minimize possible errors. Sometime the wood is likely to have come from a fairly close location to that of some Guarneri Del Gesu and responds well to general dendroclimatic information, other times the relationship is not obvious. Different countries? Yes possibly, but still within the Alps, and almost certainly not carried by mules! Wolfjk Your observations about visual dissimilarity of growth ring appearance in different trees growing at proximity are not invalid. However, scientists who have studied tree rings over the last century have actually found, that despite those visual appearances, the year to year ring widths variations do have a strong relationship amongst trees from a same stand although they may not be the same width , and to a lesser extent from nearby areas, especially at a similar high altitude. This relationship becomes obvious when graphs are plotted of those spruce trees, and computer programs have been developed and successfully apart from one used to evaluate that relationship in statistical terms. There are plenty of other previous specific posts on MN about that point, some as answers to your queries. You are correct that often the data is seldom published in a report, but a reference to the algorithm often is. The two piece front is made from two assymmetric pieces of spruce with different ages: meaning clearly displaying different growth patterns, and different dendrochronological dates. This would be obvious in observing the graphical comparison of the sequence of ring widths of the two sides. The bass side is almost identical the ex-Heifetz again, this is likely to have been noticed with unusually high statistical result in the first instance, and confirmed by a visual comparison of the sequences on a graph. If you have the data for the three above named instruments, it is very easy to see if the information is correct, and why would it not be? As it is the case with some instruments from Stradivari, where the growth pattern of one side of a front has a closer relationship with the half of another, rather than with its counterpart, this is also occasionally observed in some Guarneri instruments. The interpretation of this could be that, following the purchase of a suitable log, the maker prepared it, split it into wedges but failed to necessarily always marry two adjoining pieces prior to jointing then to produce a front. Jmann A wrong conclusion, ie an incorrect date for the wood, could occur if a wrong assessment of the graphical and statistical output of a test is made. In order to avoid this, as mentioned, a large database, of data from musical instruments and reference chronologies has to be used. This is essential to witness the replication of the correct date on many of these data. All of these methods are associated with a graphical comparison of matching series to validate the statistical results. Some labs also work almost exclusively on graphical comparison, and skeleton plotting. Furthermore, this would only be an educated interpretation of the data from the practitioner, as dendrochronology in itself cannot 'prove' same tree match. As you rightly suspect, a split wedge of spruce, would often show extremely good graphical and statistical similarities between its two components. To a lesser extent with other parts of the circumference and probably slightly less again with portions of the tree from a different level. Henry Grissino-Mayer may well have made that comment about dendrochronology testing from pictures being inferior to visual, microscopic assessment. A visual assessment, especially done by somebody used to handle instruments, is of course preferable. We all know how good repairs can be and how skilled craftsmen can make a crack virtually disappear, or insert wood, that blends in almost perfectly with the original. This type of operation may be completely invisible on a flat picture, however good, and would inevitably lead to incorrect measurements of the ring widths. It is also true that the quality and higher definition of pictures available now, even with relatively inexpensive digital cameras, makes testing from pictures much more reliable than it was a few years ago. La Folia, Pollens had too many matches, because the particular value he was using GLK is not, by itself, a reliable indicator of a match. A critical assessment of dendrochronology analysis on that basis is completely misleading. And yes, it's perfectly possible to get no valid date at all. This percentage does not take into consideration the actual width of rings, nor does it take the length of overlap of the two series into consideration when computed, but only looks at whether a ring increases, decreases or remains the same in width as the preceding one, simultaneously in the two series. Stewart is absolutely right however, in exerting caution, while using the program Synchro Search, as that software uses unknown statistical parameters. Mondino and Avalle ignore the rawdata transformations required for successful statistical crossdating, used by all practising dendrochronologists the world over, and present in all recognised crossdating software. They also advocate the use of pictures over and above microscopically taken measurements. Amati from a picture, where they measured the rings the opposite direction to the growth!! The above is to summarize that this Manual and associated software is unreliable in its present form, because it contains fundamental errors, has not been peer reviewed or tested independently for approval. Incidentally, the Manual has thankfully not yet been published in the form it appeared on the internet when originally publicised, despite promises of publication over a year ago. They have proved by themselves in the case of the Charles IX A. The fact that they have already pronounced two different dates for the Messiah wood also shows dubious working practises. One point I will also make about the methods used by John Topham to date the Messiah, which periodically pops up: Mondino and others, have stated incorrectly, that Topham and McCormick used a chronology limited to a 17th century portion. This is totally untrue. They produced a floating chronology, with instruments that showed high enough and totally acceptable statistical relationship beween each other, including the Messiah. It delivered a convincing and totally acceptable statistical result, which was subsequently replicated by Henry Grissino Mayer. Incidentally, since their paper was published, there has been at least one known Strad, two I believe from , which is almost certainly made out of the same log as the Messiah. I have corresponded with Stewart to point out the discrepancies and mistakes, which lead to the various datings, some correct, others not within the few chapters of the Manual available online. DIY dendro is not a good idea, and unless one is armed with a large and comprehensive database, together with software known to work and produce consistent results, it is bound for failure and can lead to incorrect conclusions. Issuing a dendrochronological report in relation to an instrument is a big responsibility, and not undertaken lightly. One will obviously rarely see a report together with an instrument, when the report contradicts the supposed date of the said instrument, but it doesn't mean that there isn't one You wouldn't want a piece of paper stating that the wood on your prized instrument was still happily growing in the Alps years after its supposed year of manufacture, would you? In the same way, suggesting that there is'pressure' from the trade to deduce a convenient date for an instrument just isn't the case. One cannot 'invent' a convincing and replicating statistical crossdating result. If it doesn't date, it doesn't date, and no amount of real or imaginary pressure will change that. Having been involved in Dendrochronology now for over eight years, having exchanged ideas and data with the all the leading practitioners, and possessing an extensive database, I see the consistency and validity of results, as well as occasionally, the possibility of reaching the wrong conclusion without such a database. The ol' mans Ventapane Ratcliffiddles replied to reedharris 's topic in The Pegbox. Ventapane outline? Ventapane ff's? Ventapane scroll? Ventapane label? Yes, quite Re-visiting the pictures, I am possibly starting to see something else, but still nothing to do with Naples, nor Italy. As suggested, take it to someone good to examine at close range, where are you located? I don't think there anything stylistically ressembling Ventapane, or Neapolitan shapes in that violin. Ventapane's work has distinctive stylistic characteristics, often shows a craftsmanship with a number of flaws and is not generally of the best standard. I'll stick to mid 19th century French, from what I see. From what I can see and read, I'd say French. Quite a decent fiddle. Prev 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 Next Page 57 of Sign In Sign Up.

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