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I don't think I'll ever understand this rule. There's a table somewhere that crosses the categories 'made in Japan' and 'based on Japanese works of art' or something along these lines. The table exists to inform us that items 'not made in Japan and not based on Japanese works of art' are prohibited from making the site.
In the Internet era, this sounds counterproductive and pointless. We live in this connected, intertwined, barrier-less world nowadays, people. Keep up. The Japanese, of all people, should know better.
In my collection, I have a few figures that are neither made in Japan not based on Japanese pieces, and these figures can never be registered on the MFC database. So I can't really rely on MFC to be my collection portfolio. It should go without saying that I'm not the first one to have this problem.
Likewise, when interested in an exclusive release bonus, or release date, or even just marking a figure as wished, MFC is of little help. Information needs to be found elsewhere, and I don't know another collectors' social network. So back to forums and direct contact with companies which arrange distribution etc. This is early 20th century mindset.
ItsaTimmy β’ 6 years ago β’ #8997607 This is your personal opinion, and not one I see widely supported by academia nor one that I personally agree with.
Wait, since when has Anime = Japanese Animation a "personal opinion"? I'm pretty sure anime is short form for γ’γγ‘γΌγ·γ§γ³, which, granted it's used for animation in general, but a vast majority of it is Japanese. I have no doubt the meaning has evolved since then, but I'm fairly certain being Japanese in some capacity is still at the core of it.
But even if it was just a "personal opinion", there's still the problem of "anime" not being a complete separate thing from other types of animation, because any combination of what characterizes anime can be also be found in other animations. If you look up the definition in a dictionary, the only defining trait is that it's Japanese.
ItsaTimmy β’ 6 years ago β’ #8997607 If something is animeesque and shows an intention to target the Japanese market we should look at adding it. My previous examples of RWBY and Blade and Soul both respectively have a manga and anime licensed and produced in Japan. I would see this as a clear example of targeting the Japanese market. Myethos has JAN codes printed on the boxes of their figures as well as they showcase their figures at major trade shows. I think if we start looking at examples a pattern will become clear that we can use to make amendments to the rules to prevent a flood.
RWBY is licensed in Japan, correct? But so are DC & Marvel properties.
Blade and Soul has a Japan-made adaptation, so it absolutely should be allowed in the database... and it is! ENCYCLOPEDIA #46100
Myethos products have JAN codes, but in order to sell anything in Japan you need a product code, so that's nothing special.
While I agree that they're targeting the Japan in some capacity (or else why would they exist officially in the Japanese market), at the same time one can also argue that everything Star Wars or Marvel should be in the database for the same reason.
ItsaTimmy β’ 6 years ago β’ #8997607 My concern with the site is that as Japanese culture becomes more widespread those who wish to follow it will not find their needs met here and will move on. I have seen people disappointed in and even feeling betrayed by MFC when they learn of Myethos and their figures that have been long since released and are impossible to find now. (It's going to happen again when people catch on to HobbyMax) I have had Mods express their disappointment to me about Myethos not being in the DB. I've seen partners try to add Myethos's figures to the DB. Will these partners still see MFC as a worthy advertising investment if MFC no longer covers the majority of the animeesque figures that they sell? There has been a lot of "if you don't like it, leave" talk but do we really want that? Do we really want users and potentially site contributors, mods, and advertisers walking out the door like that? I see this issue as only getting worse as more and more non Japanese companies pop up to produce animeesque products and its something that could be manageable to address now but will only get less and less so in the future.
I agree. I have also experienced lament over Myethos ('s non-Japanese origin figures) disqualification from the database (I have Queen of Hearts on pre-order and I have to track it separately which is a pain in the butt), but I can also see where the decision to exclude it comes from. If Myethos is fine, then HobbyMax is also fine, then what about other Chinese manufacturers? What about Korean figures? It just goes on and on.
To reiterate, I'm not against MFC expanding its scope, but there's also the reality of it being too much to handle. People complain that the Japan manufacture/origin rule is unfair, but there are reasons for why they are in place. The original intention might not have been for keeping the database manageable, but right now it's certainly one of the main things in the way of bare manageability and chaos. And this is where I'm approaching this entire argument from - the point of view of making clear distinctions for what can or cannot be added to the database so the database does not get overwhelming. If you can think of a clear, concise way to divide animeesque from the non-animeesque out there, in a way that leave almost no room for contentions or exceptions , then by all means.
As for what will happen in the future if a majority of people's collections are non-Japanese, then I guess we'll do what we gotta do when we get there. Heck, it's possible for MFC to never change its rules and still remain afloat as a niche, but solid figure database for all your Japanese figure needs.
Kirjava444 β’ 6 years ago β’ #8954291 To support adding Western merchandise to the database?
I took your comment as concern in the financial state of the site as it is right now, hence the donation suggestion. riringo β’ 6 years ago β’ #8952732 How would that work though? I mean realistically, if you were going to plan this out in detail. I don't really see MFC as an active promoter of anything, so I can't imagine how something like that would be executed on a site like this.
You are right here, which is why I agreed with you in the first place. Theoretically the only way I see it working is slowly expanding the scope of the site starting with items already related to the stuff on here, but even that could be an overburden. Plus you would need to attract passionate collectors to add all this stuff and whether they would come, or are already here in hiding, is anyone's guess. riringo β’ 6 years ago β’ #8952732 There's no "anime" outside of Japan, because anime is Japanese animation This is your personal opinion, and not one I see widely supported by academia nor one that I personally agree with. Because it would be going off topic to discuss it with you and as it could potentially derail the discussion I will concede and use the term animeesque. If something is animeesque and shows an intention to target the Japanese market we should look at adding it. My previous examples of RWBY and Blade and Soul both respectively have a manga and anime licensed and produced in Japan. I would see this as a clear example of targeting the Japanese market. Myethos has JAN codes printed on the boxes of their figures as well as they showcase their figures at major trade shows. I think if we start looking at examples a pattern will become clear that we can use to make amendments to the rules to prevent a flood.
My concern with the site is that as Japanese culture becomes more widespread those who wish to follow it will not find their needs met here and will move on. I have seen people disappointed in and even feeling betrayed by MFC when they learn of Myethos and their figures that have been long since released and are impossible to find now. (It's going to happen again when people catch on to HobbyMax) I have had Mods express their disappointment to me about Myethos not being in the DB. I've seen partners try to add Myethos's figures to the DB. Will these partners still see MFC as a worthy advertising investment if MFC no longer covers the majority of the animeesque figures that they sell? There has been a lot of "if you don't like it, leave" talk but do we really want that? Do we really want users and potentially site contributors, mods, and advertisers walking out the door like that? I see this issue as only getting worse as more and more non Japanese companies pop up to produce animeesque products and its something that could be manageable to address now but will only get less and less so in the future.
Limited β’ 6 years ago β’ #8970866 -clipped for space-
*Shrug* He was a grail at one point. I have a habit of enjoying expensive items for a short time simply because they're expensive and very well made, and then they become 'eh' quite quickly. A lot can change in 9 months, and Gaara has always been a weird 'grail' of sorts for me because my enjoyment of the craftsmanship wars heavily with how blase I feel abut the series in question. I've been holding off on buying the gorgeous Kakashi from the same company for that exact reason. I'm trying to stop said habit, because I end up with expensive figures I can't truly enjoy because I don't enjoy the series enough (or don't even know the series at all). Actually just before I started typing this I put up a Minato figure of mine for sale. It's an absolutely beautiful piece, the craftsmanship is on par with Tsume's works, but...I'm never going to display him. He'll sit lonely in his box.
So yeah, I guess 'grail' has a different meaning to me? Not to mention I'm wont to call things 'grails' for the wrong reasons sometimes. Gaara is....a nice figure, and he ascended to 'grail' status because I was determined to find him for less than the $400+ he sells for now and he became a bit of a hunt, but no, I shouldn't have called him a grail. He is incredible, the quality is wonderful and he's quite a nice figure. But he's not even something I really think of when I think of my collection.
...But again, none of this really invalidates what I said before. They do occasionally enforce rules in a biased way. They're human, but it was precisely that human-ness I was complaining about to begin with. There's often not a satisfactory explanation to give based on any real truly consistent 'rule'. The Gaara figure, and figures like it, are essentially of the same quasi grey illegality that doujinshi and unlicensed garage kits fall under. They do give preferential treatment to things solely based on where it originated.
I think you may be under the impression that this is a bigger issue for me than it is. I've been here for quite a few years, first as a lurker under a different SN that I never commented with, and then as this screenname to be an active member of the community. I have absolutely seen the sorts of fumbles, bumbles, and preferential treatment I've stated. But that's also something I've come to expect. We're talking about a site that has grown and moderators have had to adjust with it, which includes many human mistakes. It's just something that has personally irritated me. Not enough to do anything about it, because it's obviously not that serious, but enough to make a throwaway comment about it.
I also agree, and think having an archive cleaning would be a good idea, there are a good many entries that I'm not positive even belong on MFC, and several ridiculous entries (like the "unofficial figma" classification, they're simply the exact same type of moveable garage kits we have a bunch of in the garage kit category, I'm really not sure why in the world these few kits need to clutter up the figma page) that could used reorganized, but I imagine that would be quite the task, and it gets even more hard to do when you start talking about entries where the source information is long gone.
The-Hurricane β’ 6 years ago β’ #8969594 -
Well then you'll have to excuse me regarding Gaara. I had done a quick Google search to see if he popped up any results for a Japanese site, and it turned up an older blog here where you said
The-Hurricane β’ 7 years ago β’ #3198936 Not sure if you're still into these or not, but I own Gaara, I recently got him (he was an absolute grail of mine), and he's incredible .
You're kinda skipping over the part where MFC's database is user-generated, so there are bound to be things slipping through when there are only a handful of volunteers shifting through it all, especially when it comes to items that can be hard to find information online about. (Garage kits and doujin goods.) There's no approval system on this site either; once something's added, it's there unless somebody actively removes it. (When watching the new entries enough, it becomes clear that a number of users never bother with reading the rules. Even the partner shops break the database rules on occasion.) So if you see things on this site that don't belong here, then that's what the Report button is for. After all the moderators are human as you say, they can only catch so much on their own.
Of course the figures are always going to be more enforced then the goods, because they're the centerpiece of the site, and they aren't being added at as high a rate so it's easier to catch discrepancies. That's why we won't be seeing things like the Ninja Storm line or Myethos originals getting the pass here. Garage kits meanwhile are trickier with sparse information, and the rules on them have been shifting over time, so some entries may have become invalidated long after being added.
If anything, perhaps MFC needs more staff to go back and clean through the database. It's quite an undertaking though, given the size its grown to.
Limited β’ 6 years ago β’ #8968574 MFC has a set of rules for doujins, and a set of rules for figures; different criteria for different mediums. I don't see how that means the staff is playing loosey-goosey with what is and isn't allowed. To be honest it sounds more like you want them to play loosey-goosey with the rules so that your pet figure can be added to the database, without considering the big picture of how this site has to decide on what is and isn't accepted. A case-by-case system would be much looser on the rules and create the exact problem of staff deciding on things based on "whatever floats their boat" that you're already complaining about. Users would see one exemption figure added and go "see, if that figure can be added, then my pet favorite can too", then the staff would have to pick-and-choose through a whole bunch of submissions and inevitably be accused of bias.
It's much clearer to draw the line at whether the figure is licensed or not.
Except this isn't a "pet figure", it's literally just a figure I happen to own. Naruto as a series is barely an afterthought of mine both in terms of my general hobby/fandom presence and in terms of my collection, trust me, Gaara is far from a favoured figure of mine. Now you're starting to toe the line with insinuating personal insults. Please refrain from that. I'd say the same thing about a certain garage kit I own, or another pre-order of mine that won't be allowed to be added to the database for the same reason, or some unauthorized figures another person on here owns. The issue is that this has been done with garage kits too, which are figures. I've seen unlicensed garage kits added to the database before simply because they existed. Not to mention the myriad of kits that get added despite never being finished, or intended for sale in the first place. All that needs to be proven in this case is that they're for sale fro a place that originates in Japan. There's not license checking going on. So there you go, figures that are being allowed into the database solely because they originate in Japan.
The fact is this website is run by moderators, who are people. I've already seen plenty of conversation on here about how the moderators have distinct, different "styles" that often clash to the point of users feeling like the rules get enforced selectively and sometimes unfairly because one moderator might accept or not accept something another moderator doesn't/does. Mentioning that this extends to a bias in the way certain items are allowed where other ones aren't isn't exactly making a giant, ridiculous leap in logic. It's getting to the point where you're splitting hairs on what constitutes doujin material--which doesn't just include doujin shi but other, non-book items like oppai mousepads, dakimakura cases, keychains, I've even seen alarm clocks and mugs, etc. This figure is a doujin good for all intents and purposes.
I'm allowed to think this is a stupid, vague rule when I see it enforced so randomly and with some bias. That doesn't mean I'm saying this site sucks, or isn't awesome, or that I don't think the moderators do a very good job. Far from it in fact. There's only one moderator who I'm personally not too fond of. The rest are extremely helpful and I think they do a great job and try to be fair in general. It just so happened that this topic was about the whole "Japan(~ish) Only" rules on this site, and I mentioned something that bothers me. If this were really about a "pet figure" I would be trying to make a case in front of the moderators instead of just making a throwaway comment on a blog, trying to contribute to conversation.
The-Hurricane β’ 6 years ago β’ #8967525 -
MFC has a set of rules for doujins, and a set of rules for figures; different criteria for different mediums. I don't see how that means the staff is playing loosey-goosey with what is and isn't allowed. To be honest it sounds more like you want them to play loosey-goosey with the rules so that your pet figure can be added to the database, without considering the big picture of how this site has to decide on what is and isn't accepted. A case-by-case system would be much looser on the rules and create the exact problem of staff deciding on things based on "whatever floats their boat" that you're already complaining about. Users would see one exemption figure added and go "see, if that figure can be added, then my pet favorite can too", then the staff would have to pick-and-choose through a whole bunch of submissions and inevitably be accused of bias.
It's much clearer to draw the line at whether the figure is licensed or not.
Karumi β’ 6 years ago β’ #8959710 I honestly don't get it, either. Original "bootlegs" are no different than doujinshi products. Absolutely zero difference. If the difference is supposed to be quality, that's nonsense because so much doujinshi looks like it is (and sometimes actually is) done by professional manga artists. If the difference is supposed to be making money, that's also nonsense because for many major doujin artists, that is literally the source of their income. Unless they're giving it away for free, which the vast majority aren't, they're still making money.
So I'm with you in wanting an explanation on this issue. Especially in regards to those Naruto figures. I was wondering why they weren't in the database. @__@
Exactly. I understand not wanting to have entries for every single Mexican Dragon Ball Z bootleg where Goku is cast in lime green translucent plastic or Vegeta gets purple hair, or that sort of thing, but I own a few figures that are unauthorized that are higher quality than some of the official stuff I own. I feel like there should be the same sort of "case by case" basis for these things that are given for
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