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Steve Jobs was nothing more than a lucky asshole, most redditors are smarter than him
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Why does reddit hate Steve Jobs so much? I understand he is usually regarded as an asshole, but so is pretty much every other sucessful businessman. I would have thought Jobs would be a reddit darling... he was quirky, nerdy, and somewhat of a tech visionary.
Not according to this thread , in which Steve Wozniak discusses "both sides" of Jobs... because I'm sure that will be totally objective.
Jobs wasn't a smart man. He thought he could beat cancer with fruit.
I guess Bob Marley wasn't smart either. Honestly I haven't had cancer, but I know a lot of people who do feel they might as well take a shot with alternative therapies rather than subject themselves to chemo and even if they live a bit longer, become little more than walking corpses. Regardless, that seems like a personal choice, not an indicator of intelligence. But I guess since Jobs didn't cry le science , reddit disapproves.
Jobs was human. Humans believe a lot of shit that isn't true or rational. But he was a smart man.
Pretty reasonable. 1 point. This reply at +49:
He was a salesman. An excellent salesman. Whether he was smart, I don't know.
and some more in the same vein, all upvoted
The guy was a good sales person, nothing more....I wouldn't linj him in with real STEM scientists
Show me actual innovation from jobs, good luck btw
uhh I don't know.. the fucking personal computer? This speech from 1983 predicting the smartphone The mouse? Icon based operating systems?
Right, because the only way to be considered smart is to be associated with STEM.
the STEM jerk is really getting out of hand. Moving on..
I think he was a horrible sales person. He was a product lead - the visionary, not the leader. In fact, I'd never put him in charge of even a drunk cat! But as a visionary and product lead he was fantastic. Just never let him out near humans, he'll just start annoying them.
Yeah, don't let Steve Jobs near humans... he'll only build the most profitable tech company in human history!
He's not really all that smart, he's just a psycopath that got smart people to do work for him.
“If you had your choice between Steve Jobs and an ice cube, you’d nuzzle up to the ice cube for warmth,” Wayne said. “Jobs was the sort of fellow that played people like pieces on a chessboard and he was very serious about what he did and he had every reason to believe that he was absolutely right—which meant that if your view was different from his, you better have a damn good case to present it.” - Ronald Wayne (co-founder of Apple Computer Company)
was he the guy that gave back his 10% of Apple because he didn't want the risk?
Yup, for $800. In today's stock price approximately $588 million dollars.
But Steve Jobs is the one here who isn't smart!
Cuz in Jobs little utopian world all had to revolve around him and his ideals. Others who have had superior thoughts or insight threatened him so he lashed out and alienated brilliance. The man was lucky and made some good business calls at the right time, he was no genius or savior as some iIdiots would have have him be.
Yes, Jobs was "lucky" and "made some good business calls."
I really cannot comprehend how reddit has this slavering worship of Elon Musk, Bill Gates, etc.. yet despises Steve Jobs. Bill Gates has been involved in some very questionable activities in regards to agriculture in developing countries, and reddit loves to shit on Microsoft for everything from the Surface to the Xbox One... so WTF reddit?
It just seems so arbitrary... does anyone have an explanation? I mean I don't think Jobs should have his face on Mt Rushmore, but the guy was a massive influence in technology and literally changed the world in a lot of ways.... mostly ways that I would think reddit would approve of.
Generally I think the attitude against Steve Jobs is basically the overreaction to the Steve Jobs worship of the mid 2000's. I remember telling people about his management style early on and having them balk as though nobody could be that arrogant. It used to seem impossible that a manager that brazen could build Apple. Now its swung the other way. "He was so arrogant he clearly DIDN'T build Apple!"
The problem is that the truth lies in the middle. He was neither a great people person, nor a technological visionary. He was however a brilliant marketer and tactician and was capable of at least understanding the engineering problems that he faced given his early design work on various bits.
People seem to forget that Steve built NeXT after Apple, and was damn successful at it. So its not like Apple was pure luck. If you want to hear about the "real" Steve read some of the stories on http://www.folklore.org/ =)
I would have to agree with you that reddit hating Steve Jobs is just plain old contrarian second-option bias. From the success of the iPod up until his death, Jobs was a "genius" and "innovator" in the eyes of the media. And if you're a contrarian little shit, you must go out of your way to take that guy down a couple notches whenever you get the chance.
He didn't even invent the mp3 player, he just popularized it! He thought he didn't need modern medicine and now he's dead! Ha ha! Take that you rich asshole!
The problem is that the truth lies in the middle. He was neither a great people person, nor a technological visionary. He was however a brilliant marketer and tactician and was capable of at least understanding the engineering problems that he faced given his early design work on various bits.
As usual on reddit, nobody can really accept this. I guess its a common problem of the internet age (I am certainly guilty of this myself at times) that levelheadedness takes a backseat to sensationalism and CAPSLOCK.
A lot of people can't see to accept the whole "things aren't always black and white" idea. Gandhi must either be perfect Saint or he must be a scum of the earth, he can't be a guy who did a lot of good but had some character flaws.
I agree that he was a great businessman, but also a horrible human being by most accounts (abhorred charity, abusive management style, and apparently no ability to maintain intimate relationships despite his great interpersonal skills elsewhere). In that way he reminds me more of Donald Trump than just about anyone else I can think of. Trump is a master of getting people to invest in him and his image. Jobs was much the same way in how he sold his products.
Unless you're using a version of the Multiple-Intelligences theory, none of that has to do with how smart a person is, especially in common usage. I love how the STEM jerk is used to validate the thread's overall opinion, as if being good at anything within such a broad field is a definitive indicator of intelligence.
Lots of people love Apple products to this day and Reddit just loves to circlejerk about how horrible popular culture is (unless they're jerking themselves raw over GoT or the World Cup).
I'm no Jobs fanboy, but I don't see how you can look at someone who predicted and capitalized on future technological trends as much as him and call it luck. And even if Apple didn't pioneer their most successful technologies, their intense focus on usable & intuitive UI design has been revolutionary. Use a pre-iPhone smart phone, a pre-iPod mp3 player, a pre-iPad tablet, or a pre-iTunes digital music store, and tell me Apple just got lucky.
Plus, pretty much all science & technology is built off previous work. That's the way it works. If everyone started from square one, we wouldn't keep advancing.
Steve Jobs was able to take technology and make it beautiful and accessible to everyone. The BlackBerry was for businesspeople, while the iPhone was for teenagers, grandparents, and everyone in between. When the iPad came out, nobody thought they had any use for a tablet; now it seems like everyone has one.
Maybe that's why redditors don't like him. They want technology to be difficult and exclusive only to people as smart as they are.
I can't believe they're actually saying "STEM", instead of merely smugly alluding to it.
No Edison tesla refrences this time. That's surprising. Edit: also from what I've seen reddit seems to hate Wozniak unless he's bashing on steve jobs or talking about immortality through ai
also from what I've seen reddit seems to hate Wozniak
Really? From what I've seen, they compare him exactly to Tesla, the guy who did all the work behind the scenes while Jobs got the credit (Funny thing is Wox himself admits he was not a people's person and if it wasn't for Job's taking on the business side of things, the company never would have gotten off the ground. Also, later on Wox would have less and less to do with the company)
How can you believe that Jobs wasn't smart or wasn't a good manager or whatever and then quote this as your evidence?
“If you had your choice between Steve Jobs and an ice cube, you’d nuzzle up to the ice cube for warmth,” Wayne said. “Jobs was the sort of fellow that played people like pieces on a chessboard and he was very serious about what he did and he had every reason to believe that he was absolutely right—which meant that if your view was different from his, you better have a damn good case to present it.” - Ronald Wayne (co-founder of Apple Computer Company)
Isn't that exactly what you want from a CEO?
Isn't that exactly what you want from a CEO?
The guy who commented this didn't say anything about what he wants or does not want from a CEO. He just posted a quote. So what are you talking about?
I think redditors hate him because he was hard working and successfull. It fucks with their lazy genius complex.
I think much of the hate stems from the simple misunderstanding between scientific discovery, invention, and innovation, and the continuity of creative activity that renders even those 3 distinctions blurred.
We in our society have a very deep, and misguided notion of how the world around us is created. The idea of a genius being a person who has this innate ability to utilize pure creative energy producing total novelty is prevalent, and is an artifact of our views of god. It's in fact a response to the idea of god, and it's the response that we human beings are in a way god, or at least in the process of becoming god. God being an idea of a being who can utilize pure creative energy to produce any imaginable thing. I can go into the flaws such an idea, but digress.
Nothing is totally isolated from it's surrounding, it's all a continuity.
Just curious, are theses the ideas of a specific religion or philosophical theory? I'd love to read more on it.
Put simply, reddit can't resist two things: (1) A smug and very righteous high horse, (2) a bandwagon. Google articles on Steve Jobs and you'll find a ton of people revealing le truth about how he's an inferior famous unjust etc. etc. It's just reddit bait.

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