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Understanding latex and layering of different layers

29 Jun 2017 14:19

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So I am currently having my first experience with latex which I like even though I don't think the mattress itself is the right fit. I am thinking I might make a go at doing something myself or at least ordering something that can be customized. For the sake of simplicity I will stick to talking about dunlop since it's more likely to be the direction I head, not that I am super budget limited either.

I was looking at a comfort layer of D65 density dunlop but was debating going with either 3 inches of this or going with 2 inches and then having another 2" underneath it of a medium dunlop, like around D75 or D80. All of this would likely go over a pocket coil system. So basically either 3" of latex all at D65 or 4" of latex with half D65 and the other half D75/80. I am not very heavy (under 150lbs) and like the idea of two 2" layers as I feel they give me more flexibility down the road, like if I wanted to try a 2" talalay layer at some point which I could put over one of those layers and still use the same encasement. I guess my question is would I be adding a significant amount of firmness to the mattress going with the 4" half and half approach vs 3" of only soft or would the added inch of latex balance some of that firmness out?

Also sort of related but unrelated but how much of a difference does latex type make in lower support layers? Obviously the top layer would be very noticeable between dunlop and talalay but if the layer underneath it were of similar firmness say a soft dunlop or medium talalay would there really be that much of a noticeable difference since it would already be under 2-3" of another layer of latex?

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29 Jun 2017 16:30

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Understanding latex and layering of different layers

29 Jun 2017 17:23

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Thanks, definitely a lot to read and think about. Dunlop seems especially confusing as SleepOnLatex says their soft is D65 and D80 is medium whereas FoamOrder says their soft is D60 and medium is D70 with D80 being firm. I know firmness is all relative but it seems strange to have one topper with a density of 80 being called medium and another call it firm. Is it just that each site has a different concept of medium or is it in fact possible for two pieces of latex with the same density to have very different levels of firmness?

Added: I just found an old post of yours that I think says Dunlop densities are rated by the entire 6" core they come from and not the topper layer itself. Maybe I misunderstood it but I imagine that could explain how D80 could mean both medium and firm if the medium came from the top of the core and the firm came from the bottom? FoamOrder says they get their latex from Arpico and it seems most other stores that use Arpico use similar descriptions when describing firmness levels of each density. SleepOnLatex doesn't say who makes their latex (maybe Latex Green given the Pure Green branding?) but I guess it could be that their toppers always come from the upper half of the core hence explaining how their densities don't match up with the firmness levels of latex from Arpico?

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I am thinking I might make a go at doing something myself or at least ordering something that can be customized.

I was looking at a comfort layer of D65 density dunlop but was debating going with either 3 inches of this or going with 2 inches and then having another 2" underneath it of a medium dunlop, like around D75 or D80. All of this would likely go over a pocket coil system. So basically either 3" of latex all at D65 or 4" of latex with half D65 and the other half D75/80. I am not very heavy (under 150lbs) and like the idea of two 2" layers as I feel they give me more flexibility down the road, like if I wanted to try a 2" talalay layer at some point which I could put over one of those layers and still use the same encasement. I guess my question is would I be adding a significant amount of firmness to the mattress going with the 4" half and half approach vs 3" of only soft or would the added inch of latex balance some of that firmness out?

Also sort of related but unrelated but how much of a difference does latex type make in lower support layers? Obviously the top layer would be very noticeable between dunlop and talalay but if the layer underneath it were of similar firmness say a soft dunlop or medium talalay would there really be that much of a noticeable difference since it would already be under 2-3" of another layer of latex?
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Dunlop seems especially confusing as SleepOnLatex says their soft is D65 and D80 is medium whereas FoamOrder says their soft is D60 and medium is D70 with D80 being firm. I know firmness is all relative but it seems strange to have one topper with a density of 80 being called medium and another call it firm. Is it just that each site has a different concept of medium or is it in fact possible for two pieces of latex with the same density to have very different levels of firmness?

I just found an old post of yours that I think says Dunlop densities are rated by the entire 6" core they come from and not the topper layer itself. Maybe I misunderstood it but I imagine that could explain how D80 could mean both medium and firm if the medium came from the top of the core and the firm came from the bottom?
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