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Candidate's equating of '60s race riots with a "fad" causes a stir.
By Richard Danielson Former Times staffer
Published Feb. 10, 2011 | Updated Feb. 10, 2011
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Dick Greco may have generated the biggest buzz yet in the mayor's race with just two words.
During aSt. Petersburg Times-Bay News 9 televised debate Tuesday night, the former Tampa mayor likened the city's 1960s race riots to lingerie-stealing pranks once popular on college campuses.
People could have hurt one another during the riots, he said, but didn't.
"It was more like a panty raid-type thing," Greco said during the live broadcast.
Greco explained afterward that he was referring to the way both events spread across the country like "a fad." But his initial delivery wasn't well-received.
"Panty raids were something that was fun on college campuses," said veteran Tampa lawyer Delano Stewart. "This was a town that was about to be divided because of racial shootings. The comment means that he was out of touch with reality both then and now as to the conditions of this town."
Greco, 77, one of five candidates for mayor in the March 1 election, made the remark during a response about race relations in Tampa. He said his birthplace had come a long way.
"This is a friendly and loving city," he said.
Then, as he tends to do, Greco made his point by looking to the past. As mayor from 1967-1974, he said he appointed the first black employees to many departments.
When race riots broke out, Greco said he helped calm tensions. He walked the city's Central Avenue as people were shooting in the air, setting fires and breaking windows, but said he never worried about getting hurt.
"I ran out there in the middle of it and said, 'Please come see me tomorrow,'" Greco said after the debate.
Exactly what riots he was talking about is unclear.
Tuesday night, he told the Times he referring to the 1967 riots.
That June, a white Tampa police officer shot an unarmed black teenager in the back, killing him and sparking three days of disturbances. By the end, there were dozens of injuries and arrests and a half-million dollars' in damages.
Greco, however, didn't take office until that October.
In a interview Wednesday, he said he could have been recalling the racial unrest that continued into 1968.
"What difference does it make?" he asked.
News accounts from 1968 describe how the newly elected Greco patrolled trouble spots in an effort to keep the peace after the arrest of a black woman on a drunkenness charge and the death of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
"People weren't angry at each other," he said. "They were angry at a situation that was nationwide, and they kept reacting in various cities."
That was the genesis of his "panty raid" comment, he said.
In the decades after World War II, college men began the playful practice of obtaining panties from women's dormitories.
"That started at some college in the country," Greco said. "Next thing you know, they were doing it everywhere. It was a fad-type thing."
The race riots were "a nasty, terrible fad," he said. "But the point is in Tampa I never felt or saw hatred between races."
Black members of the debate audience had varied reactions to Greco's word choice.
Tampa City Council Chairman Thomas Scott, the only black candidate in the mayor's race, said he didn't know what Greco was talking about.
"He's tired," said Yvette Lewis, who is backing candidate Bob Buckhorn, a former Tampa City Council member. "African-American people have not forgotten that Dick Greco has not been there for them."
Joe Robinson, a community activist and Greco supporter, disagreed. He said the former mayor's comment merely reflected his relaxed, laid-back air.
"You know how Greco is," Robinson said. "He's a happy person. He's not the sort of person who is going to be uptight."
Staff writer Bill Varian and researcher Natalie Watson contributed to this report. Colleen Jenkins can be reached at cjenkins@sptimes.com or (813) 226-3337.
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The Republicans' absolutely foolproof plan on Medicare is missing a key step -- how to turn changes to the program into actual savings.
In a 1998 episode of South Park , the boys learn that their dresser drawers are being raided by a group of Underpants Gnomes, who have a carefully designed business plan to turn their theft into fabulous wealth. The three-phase plan is laid out on a slide projected in the gnomes' lair: "Phase 1: Collect underpants. Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Profit."

That, in its essence, is how Republicans are proposing to deal with the rising cost of health care and the long-term federal budget deficit. Phase 1: Remove government guarantee of health coverage. Phase 2: ? Phase 3: Savings.
Republicans seem surprised by the negative reaction to Rep. Paul Ryan's budget plan, which would turn Medicare from an insurance program into a voucher program. Under this proposal, seniors would have to seek insurance from a private company and the government would reimburse part of their premiums. Republicans knew the plan would meet some opposition but mistakenly thought they could quell much of the resistance by telling today's Medicare recipients that the change would only apply to future recipients. The more opposition Republicans face, the more loudly they insist that the market's magic must be harnessed for Medicare costs to come down.
Of course, this argument has been directly refuted by reality, over and over again. Relying on the market sounds reasonable, so long as you know nothing about how the health-care system works and why it is unlike any other kind of market. Ryan's contention is that seniors' ability to shop for insurance will pull down the cost of care. Fortunately, we have a direct test of this theory. It's called Medicare Advantage, and that program failed at its fundamental goal.
For a few decades, Medicare recipients have had the option of having their benefits administered by private plans instead of the government. The program has had different names, but when George W. Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress passed the Medicare prescription-drug plan in 2003, they renamed it Medicare Advantage and provided new inducements for the program to expand. And expand it did; today, around one-quarter of Medicare recipients have their benefits administered by private companies. Conservatives said the ability of Medicare recipients to choose from different providers would create competition and spur innovation. This would lower costs since private companies are more efficient than the government.
But the arguments in support of Medicare Advantage turned out to be wrong. According to a Congressional Budget Office analysis , Medicare Advantage plans cost significantly more than traditional Medicare. Why didn't the market's magical power bring down costs?

The answer shouldn't have been a surprise at all. Compared to Medicare, private insurers spend more on expenses other than medical care. This is partly because of economies of scale -- the government plan is so big it brings down per-patient costs -- and partly because private companies spend money on things like marketing and try to accrue profit. While Medicare spends less than 2 percent of its income on administrative costs, private companies can spend as much as 30 percent. That explains why private insurers fought against the requirement in the Affordable Care Act that limits administrative costs to 15 percent or 20 percent of their overall spending (depending on the type of insurer). Insurers claimed that even this, which is 10 times what Medicare spends, was a terribly onerous requirement.
Paul Ryan and his allies are now arguing that if we force every senior onto a plan like Medicare Advantage, costs will come down. How? That would be Phase 2 in the Underpants Gnomes plan, the big question mark.
But the cry we now hear is that we must "do something" about Medicare, and unlike Ryan, Democrats don't have a plan. But Democrats actually passed a law that did quite a few things about Medicare: the Affordable Care Act, which Republicans opposed. Republicans were loudest in their opposition to the parts of the law that sought to bring down the cost of Medicare.
The Affordable Care Act made quite a few changes to Medicare: It cut Medicare Advantage payments to insurers. It cut reimbursements for infections acquired in hospitals, as a way of encouraging hospitals to adopt safety procedures to reduce those infections. It eliminated cost-sharing for some preventative services, to encourage people to take advantage of them and prevent larger expenses down the road. It established the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation to find and encourage new ways of delivering and paying for care. It provided incentives for Accountable Care Organizations to bring down costs by effectively coordinating patients' care. It established an Independent Payment Advisory Board so medical experts, and not members of Congress who know almost nothing about medicine and are constantly lobbied by device manufacturers and drug companies, could make decisions about what Medicare will fund.
All of these measures were aimed at bringing down Medicare costs over the long term. Some will be more successful than others, but it's worth noting that the Republicans now crying that the rising cost of Medicare is a national emergency opposed all of them , then aired demogogic attack ads in which they accused Democrats of trying to cut Medicare.

Perhaps Republicans oppose all those measures because they see them as government meddling in what is, after all, a government health-insurance program. But if Ryan and others were right about private markets being better, then the individual market for non-seniors ought to produce dramatically lower costs than a big-government plan like Medicare. As anyone who has tried to buy insurance on the individual market and been confronted by rejected applications and absurdly high premiums knows, nothing could be further from the truth.
That's the thing about free-market fundamentalism: It's more a religious faith than a theory that yields to empirical evidence. When you try to apply it to a unique and challenging system like health care, you wind up advocating for ideas that have been shown to fail. And Phase 2 of your Underpants Gnomes health-insurance plan remains a big fat question mark.
Paul Waldman is a weekly columnist and senior writer for The American Prospect.
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Since this revelation about PR being a fucking pervert and abusive as fuck, I’ve been working through all of the things to get myself into a better head space. (You all have been amazingly helpful in that!) It’s been weighing on me to talk with Uncle about everything that’s happening, because to be frank, I didn’t think he knew what was going on when I was a child, or even what’s going on now. He’s a very gentle and loving person. He’s been the surrogate father I’ve always needed, and he’s a really cool person in general. Due to the conversations I’ve had with him over the past three months, it was apparent he didn’t know, OR he was very, very good at playing dumb.
Last week, Uncle texted me and asked to do lunch. I almost told him no, since I had a bunch of shit to do this week at work, and night shift kills me, but I decided it was a good idea to get out of town and I needed some retail therapy. So we agree to meet at an outlet mall which is a halfway point for us. In my head, I start to debate the realities of talking with him, just me and him, about everything that’s going on. I can’t see him in person (we almost never talk on the phone, and everything isn’t really text appropriate) and not say something. My entire life has been turned upside down. How can I look him in the face and act like everything is normal? I’d be as bad as Aunt. So… I started to think about how I would have that conversation.
He texted me a day later. “Hey, Aunt wants to come with for lunch! We still on for date at time?” FUcK I said yes, and we agreed on where to meet. Fuck fuck fuck Now what do I do? Should I just confront them both? What will Aunt say? She’ll deny it, or deflect. WTF.
So… Uncle apparently tells LS that he’s meeting me for lunch. She calls me and asks what I’m going to do. We’ve talked in depth that I wouldn’t be able to see them face to face and act like everything’s ok. I WILL NOT DO THAT. I WIL NOT PUT MY DAMN HEAD IN THE FUCKING SAND.
So.. SO… I tell her that I will have to say something. I’ll need to find out if Uncle knows anything or not, and go from there. She says she wants to be there. She wants to confront them with me. I’m feeling better about the whole thing; because I’ll have that support, and maybe both of us can knock some sense into them, or at the very worst, realize how much we don’t need them in our lives.
So I talk to my therapist, and go through some scenarios. We work on what to say, how to say it, and remain calm. I text LS to call me so we can talk about how we should approach things/etc. I felt like I was doing all the things to prepare.
Then, of course, I get a text the night before we are supposed to meet from LS. “Hey, Sorry. I can’t go tomorrow. I have things to do around the house. Hope it goes well!”
WUT. I’m in shock, and flabbergasted. If you want to flake out, just fucking say it’s too hard. Don’t act like your housework is more important than this, than me, than us. So I just say, “Ok. I understand.”
Now, NOW I’m freaking out. And DH isn’t sure what to do. I ask him to go with me. He’s unsure because he feels like I need to confront them on my own terms, and I tell him I don’t want him to talk, just be there. He calls into work, and we go.
After normal greetings, we go order food, sit down, and start eating. We talk about normal things, but during the entire conversation, Aunt is mostly talking to DH. She’s almost purposely avoiding me. I keep searching for ways to talk about PR, or LS. I asked about Christmas. I asked about LS, and if they’ve talked with her anymore. Aunt answers quickly and dismisses or side sweeps every attempt I make at getting closer to the real conversation.
Finally, lunch ends, and they go to leave. I just stopped next to their car, and I looked at Uncle, and I said, “Can we have a talk? In the car?” He jokingly asked if he was in trouble. We all gather into the car, and I just come out with it. “What are you two planning on doing moving forward with PR?” Uncle looks confused. Aunt says, “Well, she’s my sister. What do you mean?” I start to talk about me being NC and the abuse. Uncle is clearly confused. I ask how much Uncle knows about what happened to LS. “Well… I know something about PR being slightly inappropriate with her.” So then I go into graphic detail about what PR did to LS. (Jesus fucking christ. WHY AM I THE ONE TELLING THAT?! WTF AUNT.)
I start reciting all of the stories I’ve worked through here, and some others I’ve still not yet shared. I was just making very short versions, getting the important aspects in before I'd have to switch gears because I was struggling to say them out loud. Uncle looked like he was going to vomit. He was making visibly disgusted looks at the potty training story.
DH held my hand, and I’m just bringing
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