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Did you return an adverse analytical finding from the French EWS race? Do you know what substance could have caused the AAF? Have you ever intentionally taken a banned substance? Do you know the names of the two substances that showed up? Was this the first time that you've been tested while competing at an Enduro World Series event? When was that? Do you know if there have been tests at other EWS races that you weren't called in for? How is an EWS athlete supposed to know what substances are banned? Is this something that the EWS communicates to you, or is it your responsibility to figure that out on your own? Is the suspicion that these substances would have come from a supplement? You're a professional athlete and you're taking supplements that you need to take, but had you taken anything out of the ordinary in the past that you might not have taken otherwise? Richie, what's the next step for you? What happens now? A lot of waiting, which has to be an extremely frustrating thing right now. I imagine that you're sitting there waiting for the e-mail or phone call Speaking of what's going to happen down the road, you probably don't know if you're going to be able to compete in EWS racing next year quite yet. But if you weren't, and the sanction kept you from racing the EWS, would you consider racing World Cup downhill again? What do you think this means for the sport of enduro racing? Jared Graves tested positive at the same race; he's your buddy and sometime-training partner Looking in from the outside, the casual fan might say that it does look suspicious. I know that you can't specify where you think it came from, but the obvious connection that people are going to make is that you're both Ryno Power athletes. What would you say to that? Have you spoken with them at all? Moving forward with your sponsors, with Red Bull and Yeti, do you know how your future might like with them for and beyond? Being a professional athlete like yourself, your whole life is dedicated to going as fast as possible and training - doing all the things you need to do to beat all the people - and now you're in this strange limbo place where you might not be able to race in , or at least not the type of racing that you've trained a lot of your life for. So right now, are you just doing what you need to do regardless, or have you changed things up? Anything else that you want to say to the fans and people out there? Nov 25, You must login to Pinkbike. Don't have an account? Sign up. Additional reporting by Matt Wragg. Photography by Dave Trumpore. As you might have seen earlier today, Jared Graves and Richie Rude confirmed that they both tested positive for the banned drugs Higenamine and Oxilofrine at an in-competition test in Olargues, France, during the third round of the Enduro World Series. Richie and Jared's cases are both waiting for a hearing date, and there hasn't been an announcement yet as far as a decision or sanctions go. In the meantime, we reached out to Richie to hear his side of the story. Richie : My last downhill race at World Champs in We had a test there. Richie : I'm not totally sure, but I've talked to a couple of people and I think there have been tests but I'm not percent on that. Richie : At the moment, it's in our own hands. With having a UCI license, you kinda have to take it into your own hands and make sure that you're looking at the banned substance list. You know, since we haven't really had testing in the EWS, they haven't made it fully aware for us. I think more people need to look at the WADA list and make sure that there's nothing in any of those supplements or anything like that. Richie : That's my first guess. What are Higenamine and Oxilofrine? Richie says he suspects that supplements may be responsible for the Higenamine and Oxilofrine in his system. Richie and Jared are friends, former teammates, and sometimes training partners. Both accept that Higenamine and Oxilofrine were in their systems. Rude is approaching the off-season as he would any other, by training hard and having fun on his bike. The question is: Will the two-time EWS champ be allowed to race? Author Info:. First Ride: Rocky Mountain Element views. Desert Delirium - Dario's Rampage Randoms views. Score Time Who Faved. I miss the days when the only drugs taken by mountain bikers were recreational. VPS13 Nov 26, at I remember when one of the Houseman brothers got a World's title taken from you in the mids for smoking weed. Haha, which legit has the opposite effect of these drugs. Bode Miller was pretty candid with me about it one day and lets just say Makes sense I guess must being chilling with his homie Michael Phelps. Robbyc Nov 26, at Below Threshold show comment. Robbyc : The guys knows a lot more about how to be the best at what you do than most and I'm sure he has forgot more on the subject than anyone of us commenting. VPS13 Nov 27, at Robbyc : you need to smoke a bowl. Capitanbikes Nov 27, at Franzzz Nov 27, at Smoking funny things is definitely not an help in my opinion when you have to attack a descent, but I remember one of my favourite descents in Lourdes France with a friend of mine when before the last descent of the day we took a break at the top of the funicular: drinking a good beer and smoking 2 spliffs each. When we moved from the bar I thought: shit, how am I gonna manage that last descent? Boardlife69 Nov 27, at I dont doubt he smoked as well, but we all know his main 'dope' was booze and the wifes of the local ski patrol. TheUnknownMTBR : referring to us as uninformed and calling us monkeys is rather judgemental is it not? Diznuts Nov 29, at Duuude i am fast as a witches fart and if i did roids i would win every damn race guaranteed. Sam Hill would not even see my dust. I blame it on the Stans tubless fumes, they can get you high AF. BenPea Nov 26, at Maybe send them a quick email? That does stretch credibility. Since his comment was 'I haven't actually at all', I assume that his lawyer who popped in to deflect a question or other person he works with has, but he doesn't want to talk about it. The old 'really depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. GOrtho Nov 26, at Yeah, that seems maybe like the first thing you should do after hanging up the phone. That was my thought exactly. He's spoken with Yeti and Redbull, but not with the company that provides him the supplements that he suspects caused this positive test? Startgas Nov 26, at Or, it could be that he is sponsored by Ryno Power. And makes the fans believe he consume their products, but actually don't use it. If so, the drugs could not come from that. And it would make Ryno Power look bad if they sponsor him but he won't use thier products. Therefore no need for him to call them. And at the same time he can't state publicly that he don't use their products, cause that would probably end the sponsor deal. And they are 'testing substances'? Surely any test would be completed by now, assuming this interview is current. Love Rude but thats a bit hard to understand I mean come on now gtill :. Startgas : I would think with all the DH riders Ryno sponsors in UCI events they would have had a positive result by now if something shady was going on. You can imagine the sponsor's reaction if one of their athlete's call in a panic or in an emotional whirlwind. Plus - There's more than 2 athletes using Ryno that have gotten drug tests. Also - I'd be very doubtful that any athlete is only using supplements or nutritional products from a single provider or company. Startgas : I'd have to believe he does indeed use RP products. No professional athlete does it completely without supplements these days, so it's hard for me to imagine that he takes a check from one company and uses another's supplements. On the face of it supplements are not that different from one manufacturer to the next, the flavors change, there are different sources of protein, and some have a bit more of this or that, but as a whole, all clean supplements function the same way and are comprised of the same things. His statement that he didn't even talk to them, when the two athletes who failed both share RP as a sponsor is very telling. Athletes have had contracts cancelled and have been sued for implying that tainted supplements lead to a failed doping test, I would imagine that fact plays a greater role in his answer than the idea that maybe he takes a competitor's products. Ryno Power is a banned substance free company, and they go through testing to make sure no banned substances end up in their products. So unless someone at the testing facilities wasn't doing their job right and purposely added banned substances into one of their products, which seems pretty far fetched. I don't think Ryno Power is to blame here. Lagr FL Nov 26, at Startgas : my thoughts exactly Like how Red Bull sponsors people but the only time they drink it is when they're forced to during a post race interview. I love the look on their faces when they taste that crap after forgetting what it tastes like. Facingtraffic Nov 26, at Given how close Graves and Rude are I wouldn't think it impossible that one turned the other onto something else. AMGoran Nov 26, at Well that's sound good. If you check the vital thread someone has detectived an old photo of Graves from where has has a bunch of supplement bottles with him - one of the products he is using is a fat burner called PESciences Alphamine A few posts later somebody shows the ingredient list and it contains Higenamine. So it seems Graves has been taking this stuff long term. Lagr : 'We're happy little Vegemites, puts a rose in every butt cheek' Or something like that. Maybe they were just hanging out with some Norwegian XC Skiers before the race. Never know where these banned substances can come from, ask the Russian Curling team. Robbo Nov 26, at CavemanGypsy Ten bucks says most of them drink from the cans marked with a little W CavemanGypsy They have special cans full of water for the athletes; at least from what I've been told. AMGoran : twice IS multiple times. Very possibly a minor 'lost in translation' moment. InstantBreakfast Nov 26, at It sounds kind of like the MLB players who were promoting ZMA when the baseball doping scandal was being investigated. Yep I read this and straight away thought that was a bit suss I know Graves has got other much more important things on his mind, but it seemed odd he hadn't had his B sample tested. If you're adamant you haven't taking something intentionally, that leaves a mistake by the testers or accidental ingestion most likely through a supplement. Looks like they've both accepted its the supplement, yet having received the result in July they say the supplement testing is happening now. I believe they have taken it unintentionally, but cannot help but feel we're not getting the full story. The athletes would have wanted it kept quiet during the racing season - November is an obvious choice that gives time for scandal to blow over somewhat before the start of next season. But, Pinkbike obviously knew this was gonna be a big deal, so they chose to publish the Monday after a holiday weekend 'cyber monday' Naturally, in order, to make everyone happy, the timeline of the story had to be kept a bit vague. They frame it as new news, while Rude and Graves have presumably known the source of the dope since shortly they were given notice of the AAF. Thus, the timeline of the details doesn't quite line up. It will later, I'm sure. BenPea Nov 27, at Massive headache for all involved. Even if their ignorance is legit, they must know that they're There's no real nuance in how this kind of thing is dealt with. It's a bit of a Sharapova-style situation I think, i. For one, the names are held as confidential by the testing agency as can be seen from their response in one of the other articles included in this series. In theory no one should even know the names, yet somehow it leaked out and has been rumor all through the fall and even starting at the last EWS rounds in September. Lots and lots of rumors, some borderline ridiculous an no where near what was reported here. Had the names and results not been leaked no one would even know, and if found innocent not a word would ever be made public. And if riders found out in July they are under no obligation to put out a press release. If anything detailed stories like this are of more benefit to those not involved because as rumors swirl it leaves a cloud over many peoples heads while negotiating contracts etc. It does no good for the two who are named because regardless of the message they are being thrown to the court of public opinion long before all the facts come out. The brakes have definitely been put on the more damaging rumors that have been swirling around the industry, and it's good to drop the facts as they are currently known out there before something even more damaging becomes the narrative, possibly roping in riders not even involved. No need for the tin foil hats unless you want to speculate how confidential names were leaked to most of the racing community. Then by all means something questionable went down. That all makes perfect sense. It also makes sense that RR and JG made a deliberate decision about when they wanted to go public with what until now was meant to be confidential information. I was just replying to a comment about them only now getting suppliments tested, months after they were notified of the AAF. I might be reading too much in between the lines, but I thought that especially in the Graves interview, his answers imply that he already knows the source of the banned substances. You probably know more details than I do, but it looks like they've decided to keep some of the timeline vague for now. It also takes time to evaluate the test results, get lab tests done on supplements, receive results, and build a legal defense, etc The interviews as well could be a bit dated and not posted until all the other details were buttoned up for the three other accompanying articles to be released all at one time, etc. Basically, don't read into the 'timline' as some sort of conspiracy or crafted charade. Patience for facts rather than speculation and opinion would be the best approach here. BeardlessMarinRider Nov 26, at I'm not big on both of them being kind of dismissive and making it sound like no big deal. The only apparent fact at the moment is an adverse finding which is a big deal. They could be in for a shock. Jasper-diamond Nov 26, at Hires Lawyer. I agree it looks rather suspicious, old teammates, same 2 drugs. Including a drug with a very short half-life which usually indicates some systematic stuff. Jasper-diamond : To be fair, I would get a lawyer to talk on my behalf too - It makes sense guilty or not. Mntneer FL Nov 26, at This lawyer Matt Kaiser is a top notch white collar crime and drug dealer defense attorney. Curious who's paying for the lawyer - Ryno Power? Certainly not ideal publicity for them if they want their product being used by pro athletes. Either way, I'm not buying all this 'no big deal' bollox. I would hire a lawyer as well. Golden-G Nov 26, at Jasper-diamond : you clearly don't understand how things work. Any person with half a brain secures an attorney the minute they are accused. Dumbass comment of the week. Ktron Nov 26, at Golden-G : and one that specializes in the relevant field of the accusation. All these comments about the lawyer's specialty - no kidding? You'd want a lawyer who knows the subject Jasper-diamond : Richie is from CT, and a very nice part of it to boot. Having a lawyer handy is not unusual, he probably uses one to negotiate contracts and whatnot. The shady part is Graves is using the same one supposedly Phillyenduro Nov 26, at Maybe the attitude is partly because they've known about this for four months I'm sure they're over whatever initial emotions were flowing when they were first notified. Golden-G read the full context dude. I know the drill. Jasper-diamond : securing an attorney is in no way an admission of guilt as you had implied in your comment. Golden-G : I implied it was a big deal I can't see anywhere I made a connection to guilt? I guess maybe it's not a big deal to him or you? I dunno Im just a dumbass that rides a bike to much to care really. Jasper-diamond : Damn your insightful perspective. You're right. It happens with Roadies, we should assume it happens within any UCI discipline just as often. Deville64 Nov 28, at WAKIdesigns Nov 26, at It's been the case with UFC, where supplement maker easily blended sht from one batch of one thing to a batch of another. All it takes is Billy having a rough night and a big head ache on the monday morning. I love the irony of latest press releases on Pinkbike. If i was into consipiracy theories I'd guess someone at Pinkbike has lots of sense of humor Think they'll make an appearance after the debacle of their straight acres video? RP not looking great on pinkbike at the moment. SupraKZ Nov 27, at WAKIdesigns : Everyone that got popped by USADA one of the most comprehensive and thorough anti-doping agencies in the UFC was guilty and it wasn't because the supplement company sprinkled a bit of clenbuterol and test in their creatine. MatthewCarpenter Mar 5, at Regarding the doping issue, I think it's time for some answers - especially by Chris Ball who always claimed to take this very seriously but is obviously doing the exact opposite - what a disrespect towards those who don't cheat. Just to remind you of some facts: - Higenamine and Oxilofrine not going into detail about the differences here have been on the WADA list since as 'Specified Substances' because, in effect, they may have performance enhancing effects, cf the prohibition of ephedrine since - the effect is obviously not comparable to EPO, testosterone or blood doping, but in the end it can be assumed that a performance-enhancing effect can be achieved through better oxygen uptake, vigilance and increased cardiac output. The EWS offers some supertight racing, sometimes 4 seconds up or down decided between 1st and 5th place. And that after 30min of riding! A really bad excuse however is claiming it might have gotten in your bloodstream by drinking from someone else's bottle The really tricky thing about the two of them is their relationship with sponsor Ryno. The company has clearly stated that these substances are not to be found in their products they of course need the trust of professionals and amateurs regarding the ingredients. So Jared and Richie can only claim against their sponsor's official statement that it must have been inside. Or they say they are sponsored by Ryno but have taken other supplements - which then of course makes their action more suspicious. If anyone of the shamefully silent press pinkbike, I'm also looking in your direction to finally ask for answers directly asks about that, the athletes might just stick to the proven bullshit excuse that they have spontaneously taken some unknown drink right before competition - just like any professional would And Jared Graves seems to be, that in his 20 years as a top athlete has trusted on a few products and just didn't notice that changes in regarding the updated anti-doping-list and therefore accidentally used it. And now the pinkbike interview with Richie Rude comes into play www. A clever lawyer once gave a lecture why he would never talk to the police - youtu. This lame excuse 'we were all so naive in the EWS, thank God, there is now our very harmless case and from next year we will watch all better then better' is just a disgrace. Everybody tries to optimize the very last bit of training, equipment, line choice, etc. If that evidence isn't enough, what about that www. Who would believe that as a professional athlete or coach of that athlete these cases - even more so in one's own home country - all these cases go by unnoticed. Could it be the case someone was just hoping to not ever get tested for doping in the EWS? And if so, that he could get away with it? This someone would not deserve a mild judgment. Seriously, if Rude gets to keep his medals of last season and not face a doping ban this season I have lost all my interest in the EWS. Pinkbike easily has the power to say: 'NO we will not publish a single article about the EWS if we do not get answers and be allowed to publish them to some very clear questions that remain open 1 2 What does 'essentially an accident' mean? As a lawyer, I'd say that sounds like lawyer talk. I'm sure Richie's attorney read every word of Richie's responses or certainly should have and that stuck out to me as a weird thing to leave in. I've always been a big fan of Richie's, not just because we are from the same hometown. Trying to figure out how I feel about all this. Oliver-P Nov 26, at Ie some one got the calcs wrong and we tested over the threshold. Grosey Nov 26, at Its not even legit doping. You think OTC preworkout is really gonna make a difference? Ban coffee, cause mg of caffiene will make a way bigger difference. Stimulants like these insuch small amounts are a joke. And Graves deserves to be left out of this bullshit. So much love for weed, but take an upper and your cheating. Pretty sure Miles and Missy swore that being high made them calmer and faster. The doping police are out of control and too hyperfocused, cause really they couldnt afford to stay relevant with only busting real effective doping. So they make mountaons out of mole hills. Well yeah, I'm really wondering how much of an advantage the quantities they found would give an athlete. Especially compared to Red Bull, Monster, Rockstar or whoever has a say in their helmet paint these days. I'm sorry but that is misinformed. This is a big, complex topic and I don't want to delve too deep into it here one way or another, but to suggest these substances cannot offer a benefit is simply wrong whether they did in this case, I will wait for the judgement of the experts. For example, from bodybuilding. I agree with a lot of that but the graves interview did state that they just dont think about this stuff at the EWS I think they should leave graves well alone at the moment too and they are both quite dismissive about it being an issue. Of course we all know that nobody will ever come clean if they have doped unless they are absolutely cornered and there is an argument that if you will take one drug to enhace performance it is a slippery slope to the stuff that really works - they are also not tested in the off-season. It doesnt help that they have both been caught with the same 'drugs' and I suppose reaslistically are both what you would say are the more physical guys out there, when compared to Sam etc I do agree though that the doping agencies seem to be a law unto themselves and applying the same ultra strict rules to racers in a series that are just not prepared to the same standards as other sports is a bit unfair, there is the argument that they should all know the rules but the banned list is probably exhaustive. Hopefully they clear up the cases and the world returns to normal, its a bit of a boring one, would have been interesting if they had took EPO and had a vial of testosterone taped to the top-tube. This study would suggest 10x the tested amounts were present 8h prior: www. I think that something with amphetamines in it will be miles more effective than caffeine. You've never done Addy on a heavy study day and gone for a ride as a break? It's the bees knees. Even if they are not very powerful substances if someone is using when others are not it will make a difference. Just imagine if ibuprofen was banned and you were the only person to pop some in day 2 of racing after a crash. Dustfarter Nov 26, at Pretty sure smoking weed will have the opposite effect of the drugs they are accused of taking. That's only about 8 8oz cups of coffee In sports with real doping controls they actually do monitor things like caffeine, even ibuprofen is banned in competition. Fighters will abstain from coffee on the day of a fight and instead go for caffeine pills so that they know exactly how much is in their system and they don't lose a belt due to a particularly strong french-press. If you're attempting to run strict anti-doping controls in a sport, you have to look for this minuscule traces in an athlete's system. With the half-lives of some being what they are, post race they may have a negligible amount left in their piss, but at the start of 2 days worth of racing they may have had enough to gain a significant advantage. Remember, when it's the best of the best racing, the tinniest advantage can be the difference between winning and losing. Just saying I was interested in being informed. These rules were put in effect for a reason so I was curious whether there is some insight on what those reasons were. All food has an effect on ones performance. Some help with recovery, some with keeping you alert, hydrated etc. There is no rule to make athletes stick to whole foods so much of what they're taking is already not really comparable to what a 'normal' like non-pro athlete person would take, probably for some perceived advantage. Where do they draw the line? Just giving an advantage seems a tricky criterium because I'm pretty sure that the athlete who gets water to drink will do loads better than the athlete who gets nothing to drink at all. And obviously that is the only athlete who gets caught because he'll be the only one who can actually deliver a piss sample. Supplements are naturally occurring and can be found in food. As far as where they draw the line, everything banned is clearly listed by WADA. There's no gray area. I didn't claim there was a gray area. The question wasn't what is on the WADA list. The question was, what is the criterium to make it onto that list? Now 'can be found in food' can be a tricky one. Whatever you put in your food and consume along, becomes food. Did you mean 'natural sourced' then, like non-synthetic. Now obviously much of what we find in our prepared food from the supermarket is synthetic so I doubt these would all be on that WADA list. Plus of course Higenamine is naturally sourced. Same goes for cannabinoids which are on the WADA list. Heck, would someone even test positive from consuming hemp seed which is quite healthy, actually? Could be of course. I recall a good while ago an athlete was tested positive after consuming a bread roll covered with poppy seed. So again, the question obviously isn't what's on the WADA list. The question is, what does it take for something to make it onto that WADA list? Robbyc Nov 26, at There is no clear difference. They relied on the host country. If you want to get grip on banned substances you test everyone and frequently. This is a big pile of bullshit. Pinkbike has shit the bed with misinformation and terrible research 1min google search. The stimulamt supplements that really worked have been banned for a decade or more. Its not even close. They take into account input from industry experts, athletes, doping specialists, scientists, medical professionals etc in order to come to conclusion regarding whether a substance should be on the prohibited list. As far as the Cannabinoids go, some cannabinoids are on the prohibited list, where is others are not. As of January 1st Cannabidiol was removed from the prohibited list, yet THC and other cannabinoids remain on the list. Th average cup of coffee is mg of caffeine. Of course we could argue about the finer details of 'the spirit of the sport' and where the tipping point would be for a supplement to go from an acceptable substance to 'accelerate recovery' towards something that 'gives an unfair advantage'. Either way, this is the ugly end of competitive sports. It isn't nice to be beaten by someone who's consciously been taking substances you've consciously not taken because they're banned. And it sucks to see your career being destroyed because they've found something in your system which you didn't consciously take. Damn, makes me like competitive sports even less. Former cold war cases aside, women do and should follow the rules just as well as men do. Archimonde Nov 26, at Great to have both sides of the story. Thanks Richie and Pinkbike. Btw, photos dont' have to be black and white, the world is colorful. JoshParsons87 FL Nov 26, at The Ryno-Power connection is the much bigger issue at play. The fact that both tested for the exact same stimulants at the same race, use the same lawyer, and both differed to said lawyer when asked about supplements paints a pretty clear picture, in my opinion. I am a big fan of both these guys get better soon, Jared , and you are responsible for you what you put into your body, but having a 'sponsor' like Ryno-Power, I can see where these guys would make a relatively sound assumption that they were getting clean stuff that was cleared for their sport. Ryno-Power's whole business model is making supplements for people that engage in cycling and moto, so it's in their best practice to ensure none of the blame goes anywhere near them. The amazing thing here is the advert flashing for Ryno on PB's homepage now - They are using this 'scandal' as marketing material. Whether the Ryno Power has banned substances in it or not, a professional athlete shouldn't be taking it if they don't know what's in it. A great question for this interview would have been, 'How effective is Ryno Power? Just Google AdSense knowing that you've seen an article with that name in it and tailoring their message to suit, within the list of advertisers on the PB site. PB have already said that RynoPower are advertisers here. This is a premium, home-page banner, the second largest advertisment spot on the website - is that possible to be an Adsense type showing or Ryno getting in quickly to push their product while the hompage is full of chat about it. They make stuff supplements for use in cycling and use big name riders to promote it, riders that they probably just got caught 'doping. If you're richie or Jared, just send in whatever stuff you've been taking to be tested, and say 'this is what I took and it was supposed to be fine. JoshParsons87 : You are naive. If god forbid, you ever end up in jail accused of a crime you definitely didn't commit, please please please plead the 5th until your lawyer shows up. It sucks, but you need attorneys to navigate these processes not matter how innocent you are. That's just the world we live in. They failed a test, and both accepted the findings. They are not arguing innocence, but are looking to be found 'not liable. There's no way I'm snorting that stuff, whether it's specifically banned or not. JoshParsons87 : I promise you an attorney will be able navigate the system to a 'not liable' conclusion much better than they could. DrPete Nov 26, at Phlippie FL Nov 26, at Jeez, they were notified in July, and still have to be notified about a hearing date. The French are quick to leak news, but slow with the hearing. Don't worry guys Ryno Power insists that their supplements are clean and that they have never had a supplement test positive for anything I mean weird that two Ryno athletes both get nailed but clearly cant be the supplements Their website has nothing about where the supplements are made or what labs they use so we should feel fine about their claims and promises. Sorry but I don't buy this accidental consumption. Having personally been subject to Wada doping control many years ago it's very simple to check if you can or can't use a specific substance or product. Does mikelevy not feel so bad about being humbled now huhh? This is just like when my buddy Randy got busted for using Fight Milk to win the Fontana City National downhill sport class 27 - Lawyered right up, but still lost his title. If Richie's response came from a single rider who was middle of the pack, it might be somewhat believable. This is is Richie Rude, who when it comes to performance, exceeds the rest of the racers by a considerable margin and his former team mate, good friend and mentor since day one.. I think we will see a transition period of a couple of years as riders become more appropriately sophisticated with diet and supplement choices. I definitely think Richie and Jared were trying to get a competitive advantage, but I think it was with supplements they probably thought, but didn't check to see were ok. This is a growing pains of the sport problem. They are going to have to learn from other athletes to be much more vigilant of what they put in their bodies. Organic food, no vitamins, no supplements is the only way to be safe. As for me, I don't juice because all I need to do is beat my riding buddies on a climb once a month when I'm slightly less hung over than they are and I feel physically dominant! We can thank Lance Muddafuggin Armstrong for why any sane person would be skeptical. They just made an example of him because the euro's couldn't handle getting spanked by an American. French are doing the same thing with the Ausi Graves and big surprise They go for the top dogs and they make examples out of them. This is what happens with all of this. When new things are instituted If these two guys are on trace amounts of a banned substanced Just like with Lance. They were ALL juicing back then. Just like with Bonds. Lance and Bonds just did it more successfully because they had a better foundation. As a former roadie who watched all the Lycra greats fall, I felt like it was just a matter of time before the enduro athletes jumped on the doping train. These responses sound similar and why hire a top gun lawyer if you are innocent? BMXrad Nov 26, at Thanks for that, just because there big names there should be no escape. Freeracer17 Nov 27, at There are no isomers contained that can turn itself into the banned substance or react with another ingredient into a banned substance and even if it could the output of the reaction would be so minimal, that you could not even detect it directly after consuming it. Athletes that get tested positive after a full day of EWS racing definitely took something at the beginning of the day and hoped that there would be no drug test or, that the substance would be gone after a full day of EWS racing. Just look at the video of Rude overtaking Oton in La Thuile in Oton is one of the top guys and Rude overtakes him on the climb like Oton is a privateer at his first race. Freeracer17 : Yup - nailed it. If it's in your system at end of day you took a day-of-competition stimulant. Otherwise everyone would not hire a lawyer to look innocent. Guaranteed if you got arrested and you were innocent the first thing you would do is hire a lawyer. I also think a lot of people are misinterpreting what they took as being on the same level as what Lance was doing. There were basically taking a banned substance sure. Just not be as tired at the end of the day. JacksonStall Dec 1, at I'm gonna start a campaign to test for 'performance Inhibiting drugs' such as alcohol, burger residue, chip fat, pie crust etc. If found to test positive you get your race time reduced. Makes perfect sense to me I think that's more than fair!! I wholeheartedly support this. Plus a -1 minute time cut per kid under 5 that the athlete owns. Xcshredder08 Nov 26, at Curious if this will move faster than Broc Tickles case. Xcshredder08 : Seriously. It's a crime that they drag these things out so long. It's even more concerning that Ryno can't even spell their own name correctly on their products. PauRexs FL Nov 26, at After knowing it in July, Richie still won in Ainsa in september and some other? So doubt he would take again anything to enhance after that so it proves he is really capa le of winning without them. Why do people assume that since they're sponsored by Rhyno products that they don't also take supplements from other sources? You people must think there's actually redbull in the cans they drink after races. I thought Richie's late season charge was from the illegal SB stimulant. YoKev Nov 26, at ThinkTank45 FL Nov 26, at Can someone explain why Rude and Graves would both opt not to get the B sample tested? Because they have already accepted that the two substances are in the A sample, there's no need testing the second one. Maxcommencemal: But they both said they were surprised with the result of the A sample. ThinkTank45 : probably the lawyer's recommendation. Because the test is much more in depth with the B sample and will find even more. ThinkTank45 : Surprised they got caught is probably more like it. I'm sure they use things away from events for short periods that they try to cut out far enough ahead of time it shouldn't show up in a test. I think Ryno is clean, look at all the WC riders they have. If the UCI runs that many tests, I'm sure something would have come up before this. Means nothing. It takes one weird inproper cleaning at the lab and all of a sudden trace elements of a band substance are found. This could be yet another time supplement companies are the cause of test coming up positive for a banned substance. We will have to wait and see! Are there any athletes that have admitted to doping at the first time of asking? I love RR but guilty or not he is now tainted. Yody Nov 26, at Do they both use the same trainer? Quite possible their trainer is supplying them unknowingly to increase their results to make him look better so he can still more non bike specific workout plans and equipment The both eat Taco Bell before each race. Thankfully CS-M is available in Would be embarassing if his bike check showed he dropped that 36t chainring. I truly believe Richie and Jared. However the fact they're on separate teams but share a lawyer makes me think that Ryno is behind this. Especially since Richie hasn't talked to them? And Graves can't answer a question about ingredients? I could be very wrong in this but I would guess that a lawyer representing a rider in this situation would be from their team, and the only connection these guys have is Ryno, or so it seems. So if Ryno lawyer'ed up for these guys it's almost making me think they know what's going on. Cro-Mag Nov 26, at Pages and pages of more examples of mountaibikedouchebagery BigDummy Nov 27, at Can you identify Mr Kaiser? He presumably insisted that counsel was in on the interview? Anyone keen for 2Gs of this peng Ryno sniff? Yeh no shit bro. I have friends who are amateur athletes and it's repeatedly drummed into even them that they have to know exactly what they're putting in their bodies at all times, because anti-doping tests are serious business. Even or perhaps especially if you're clean, you can't make any mistakes because the authorities take no prisoners. Intent is barely a consideration. It baffles me when professional athletes - whose jobs depend on being and staying clean - plead ignorance, time and time again. So you didn't know what you were taking, but WHY didn't you know?! Why didn't you think it was important enough for someone in your position to know? Why didn't your team think it was important enough to inform you and monitor you? If they're all telling the truth about it being accidental, that only means there have been completely failures from top to bottom. But hope these things can get cleared up as no good for racing. Kaiser is a legit lawyer, a smart choice that reflects the high stakes here. He's a DC white collar criminal defense guy, not a sports guy. They're taking this seriously, as they should. Maybe, but how can you be sure. Seems more likely that it's him. Yeah, I just had a look at this. I reckon it's going to be the guy who looks 19 and specialises in getting doped cyclists back to competition. Im pretty positive that if this stands, Richie will be banned from all UCI sanctioned races So, WC DH will be out of the question.. If not applicable, this might also be a warning shot to all of the participants out there:'OK guys, the old west era of our sport has finished. Clean up or move along. Generally, any group that abides by WADA guidelines enforces a doping suspension, even in a different sport But, since most cycling events fall under UCI, Richie will have time for more cool edits Please stop pulling a Lance Armstrong denial - face up - You doped, you know it - people who deny the science is beyond me. If you can't compete on raw strength through training and talent, step aside. Jdubs Nov 27, at Dnik Nov 26, at You pay a dietitian and or a trainer to tell you what to put in your body to make you perform at the highest level. When your lawyer answers for you Anyone follow Yoann Barelli on FB? I wonder if the riders in Friday Fails have been tested for anything. Bring back the old days Coffee to get you going Graves comments, Rude , competitive even off the bike. Bentwoodbandit Nov 26, at Who cares! CamPow Nov 27, at A golden interview! I hope he finds his justice and gets to keep shredding hard! Would be a better show. Gavalar66 Nov 26, at Suckers got found out don't take drug kids hahahaha. TightAF Nov 26, at Sethroski Nov 26, at Yeah drug doping is bad, but have you seen that guy manual? Timo82 Nov 26, at You think he can manual that good without taking drugs?! You're so naive Sethroski Just met Ritchie the other day at my LBS, nice guy and seems very humble. I think it's a matter of character, sure it came back positive but if he says it's accidental then let's all just leave it at that. Both of these guys are known for having good character, so IMO they are innocent until proven guilty. Phillyenduro : Positive results are positive results, all I'm saying is the motive is important as well, and that the 'innocent until proven guilty' mentality should be applied. IE let's not trash reputations online over this until all facts are known. Whether you believe, or don't believe, is your choice entirely. But 'I met him and he seems nice and humble and is known for good character' is not a smart reason to disbelieve. Floyd Landis? Tyler Hamilton? George Hincapie? Phillyenduro : Definitely agree, it's our decision on whether or not to believe what these guys are saying. The results are positive and that's that, I'm just choosing to wait until all facts are shown before passing judgement. Not much into road racing and I was 3 years old in , but thanks for the list I'll have some casual reading to do today. Golden-G Nov 27, at You see how the court of public opinion works? Like a lynch mob. Guilty until proven innocent. If half the people commenting here had a brain, they would take it out and play with it. Richie is a beast. There's no need to enhance his natural abilities to dominate when he's on. I don't see a reason he'd abuse supplements unless he's 99th every race and the bills are stacking up. Rude's horsepower becoming Hopefully this is a silly hiccup in the long run. Timo82 Nov 26, at Below Threshold show comment. Nobody fails. Except those poor mericans athletes! Timo82 : graves is Australian. Clarkeh Nov 26, at Vonbanck Nov 26, at Full support for Jared and Richie. Post a Comment Login or Sign Up. All rights reserved. Mobile Version of Website.

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