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My fiance kabier was one of the users that resonated with the 'Furries are Toxic' video, deciding she's pretty much done with furry politics due to their juvenile behavior, drama and standards. She determined furry Twitter in particular is pure cancer and closed her account to remove all temptation to even browse it.

Her happiness and productivity greatly improved putting her self interest first. She picked up a second language, reconnected with her grandmother, booked our wedding and made a tonne of new friends by branching outside of the community. She tried experimenting with human art and posting it somewhere else, immediately it blows up to the front page of Reddit and gets a Direct shoutout from Pewdiepie on her first post. She's also blowing up on Newgrounds which is her new platform of choice if you would like to follow her there.

It doesn't even matter if Patreon gets 'woke' either as Subscribstar has propped up to take it's place. Accepts pretty much every payment option under the sun and there are zero restrictions on adult content. It really seems the only thing that was holding back her career were toxic, Politically Correct furries.

It's sobering to me. It really does seem I'm being ridiculously loyal to the furry community for no good reason. She made a point that I don't owe the community anything, not for my relationship or my career. In reality, furries are the reason why both of those things have been repeatedly threatened. The amount of people that would find satisfaction in ruining artistic pursuits, creative freedom and even long-term relationships is disgusting. Collaborating with furries has been more frequently a pain then ever, as I simply don't trust them to not make it political.

I still plan to make a furry platform but it will be for the fringe. Those that enjoy furry content but don't want to put up with the highschool bullshit. It'll be designed to be welcoming to artists that aren't strictly furry too. A middle-ground for those that want to branch out but don't want to completely abandon their interests. That's me right now. With all the negative PR the furry community is getting this year, it really is a sinking ship and I've learned it's not my responsibility to fix it. You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink, much like I can preach about responsibility and accountability all day and get nothing but drama in return. I'll be making efforts like my fiance to be more self-centered, use Twitter only for self-promotion and use FA as a backup rather then a primary.

I send you nothing but good vibes on your pursuit, and know how much toxicity the community can be; but I avoid it, and stick with the good people I've met, also you need to do what's best for you and your mate, because at the end of the day all that matters is you're both happy and doing what you love. Also Blessings to your future marriage!

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I don't know, what i should think about it.

Kind of the point. Just lots of that stupid whataboutism and "both sides are to blame" so we never learn the truth and stay confused.
When once again, one is actually pretty decent while other is the actual cancer, and kind of easy to determine which if you try.

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Well that's the thing. When you try to determine it, you're just as likely to side with either side, depending on your personal situation and ideology. It just doesn't sit right with me, to judge right from wrong when neither side truely is either.

I mean, I lean "left" as it were, believing in personal freedom and strong social security. But I can also appreciate the arguments of the opposing side, with a strong sense of identity and the value of not rushing changes. To me, it just seems like both are just the different sides of the same coin; both equally valuable in the right amount.

The ones I don't like are those who try to head to the extremes of either side, sacrificing liberty for security or the other way around. And that's pretty much the issue of today's political climate: People are too extreme, whichever side they're on. Whether it's SJWs or Alt-Righters, they both annoy me equally, because they are too uncompromising in their beliefs. They are extremists, and they only cause trouble for everyone, including their own side.

Maybe the "right" side is, indeed, right, and we've had a period of too much influence from the "left" side. But that doesn't mean we should cut them out completely. This isn't a revolution, it's an adjustment. And if you push too hard in either direction, it's just going to create a huge stink which'll make no one happy.

But yeah, that's my perspective anyway.

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People making mountains out of anthills, that's what.

I think that yes, Sonicfox's speech was cringey, but he's entitled to his views and probably just expressed them poorly because he didn't have the time and/or skill to make a proper speech.

As for Jasonafex and Kabier? I have no clue. All I know is they're considered "alt-right furs" or something, which all the "woke furs" which are "in majority" dislike.

Basically, it's all an overblown issue and people should just get on with it. To be fair, I suppose we have a right to be sensitive if we feel like we're verbally attacked. But then again, we're furries! We used to distance ourselves from the weirder parts of our fandom back in the days, just shrugging off people who made jokes or crude comments about us as a collective, so I feel like we should know better...

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To make a long story short with as little bias as possible (what am I saying that's kind of impossible here)

SonicFox - Popular gaming competitor who games in fursuit and uses his platform to talk about/ doesn't shy away from the fact he is gay, black and a furry. Is either democratic or liberal leaning and sometimes mentions it.

Jason & Kabier - Popular furry artist and animator team that recently has become very vocal about their (unpopular) beliefs on Twitter and FA and have been caught using racist and transphobic behavior and other hot topic stuff. They believe that just about everyone who is left-leaning is an over politically correct liberal snowflake instead of taking responsibility on how some of their actions affect others. Kabier left twitter after they passed a rule that continuous and purposeful misgendering and harassment of users wasn't allowed (which was categorized as "Politically correct" by these two) Not commenting on other accusations besides those since I haven't seen proof for them.

I used to like them both because of their art, but it's started sounding like whiney child hour. Sometimes it's not "SJWs", some of us just don't want to say the N word and actually care about other people Jan.

There's plenty of receipts for all this too... they're proud of it.

(Honestly, just avoid these two and a few others and the furry fandom is pretty chill and only "political" when it centers around laws that hurt our fellow friends and fur family. And it's up to you to choose to take part in those. It's all who you follow.)

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That said I'm glad she's finding a better time outside of the fandom and maybe this step back will allow her to reflect on her behavior and the person she would like to be vs the edgy anti-liberal she seems to want to be seen as here. *shrugs*

A fair ammount of furries are diverse, on the LGBTQIA spectrum, struggling with emotional and mental health issues, and wholly supporting of each other due to being "outcasts - and thus end up as a generally left leaning and quickly adaptive group. It's just a bad place in general for "me no likey change" individuals.

Aggressive love and support for our fellow furries XD

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l m f a o
reflect on my behavior?
take a look in the mirror bub.

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Lack of self-awareness is impressive here. You claim a classical liberal (left leaning) is alt-right yet provide no proof of such a claim. Claim it's our responsibility that SJWs are intolerant of views they can not handle, and deem it our fault when they openly insult and harass anyone that isn't as radical as they are.

The problem in this community are people like you. YOU push away the talent and leave an echo-chamber in it's wake. Celebrate censorship and that is always the conclusion that follows.

If you want a broad spectrum of talent, that comes suit with a broad spectrum of interests, views and opinion. I would have zero issue with SJWs if they embraced more than carbon copies of themselves into the community.

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If you're a representative of this supposedly chill furry fandom I can totally see why people are getting sick of it.

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So in summary, people with unpopular opinions should be ostracized from the furry community because only Democrats support the Alphabet Soup of "oppressed minority groups"? Its not Kabier that needs to reflect on "her behavior" its people like you who need to rethink your position on a great many topics; specifically your political parties' racist origins, their divide and conquer methods of dividing people into groups and pitting them against each other, and the actual support of rape culture through former President Bill Clinton and his corrupt wife Hillary. Let's take responsibility for your denial of facts, and your betrayal of the gay community by supporting Sharia law and the oppression of women.

You have a lot of positions to reconsider before you attempt to categorize Kabier and place yourself on your SJW pillar.

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No.

I’ve been following Jason & Kabier for 4, maybe 5 years. I’ve seen their content, posts, tweets, journals-etc. So while I don’t know them personally, that online content sums up a whole damn lot about a person.

I guess you could call me a liberal, but at the end of the day- my main standards are treating everyone with respect. Don’t care if you agree with it, or understand it. Don’t use racial slurs, don’t misgender people, and don’t generally be a massive dickwad. Somehow that’s becoming the “toxic anti-liberal agenda” because we stopped finding shitty behavior funny and started treating it like the well- shit that is is. People like J and K get so much slack because their preferred humor is just disrespectful garbage and they’re mad about it.

Is it really SO BAD to call someone by their preferred pronouns? Do you REALLY have to make that joke with the slur in it? No one cares if you’re doing it to make a point.

So to be honest- I don’t give a damn what Jason or Kabier believe politically. But again and again and again their behavior is edgy, disrespectful, and yes- sometimes racist and transphobic. And no- that’s not liberal code for something else. And somehow every time they shit on the floor- they are suprised when they step in it?!

Protect them all you like, but if one is truly a supporter of non censorship and “open discussion “ - they will realize actions have consequences. Maybe you know something secret about them I dont- but your online actions are the ones I’m going to judge you on, and these two have far used up their 3 strikes with no remorse.

No one on this site is a “Pillar” and none of us are important. But when you fail so hard at being a decent person you are infamous for it, sure, ill call you out and take a little heat for it. 💜

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We can debate the validity of compelling speech so that we force people to use "proper pronouns" when referring to the transgender community. That is not a justification to act uncivil or justify violence or slander against a person who chooses not to use another persons preferred pronoun.

If that is your argument, then fuck right off mate.

Government has no legal right to compel speech by force if a person calls a biological man or woman by their natural gender. Medical science does not have a consensus on this topic, gender dysphoria is still a mental disorder, and to preach and grandstand otherwise is pure nonsense.

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If you are a person of this viewpoint, there's really no discussing it further. To me it's just common decency, and to do otherwise just because you personally have an issue with it is just... disrespectful at the best.

We'll call a person by any weird furry name they like, and we have no idea who is behind the screen, but as soon as we learn that calling someone certain names and pronouns really causes them discomfort - it becomes the most important thing in the world for you to do so.

Once by mistake - forgivable and honest offense. Repeatedly and persistently - At it's heart it's as a form of bullying, with the impact it has on the person.

Are you truly refusing to call someone by the name or pronoun they prefer for some impersonal reason? When we go along with stupid nicknames on the daily? Or at what point does it become a refusal to respect someones wishes in an effort to cause them harm and distress? If you KNOW it hurts someone, it takes a lot of mire to say "I don't care about your personal wellbeing, because I'm choosing THIS semantic occasion to preach free speech.

Call a big strong man in camouflage from my hometown "Susan" and I'm sure he'd punch someone out cold.

Putting yourself in their shoes, is it unreasonable to expect confusion, hurt, even anger as a response? By someone repeatedly pushing to call you something that they deem is more correct than your own experience? That for some reason how they see you is more correct than how you see yourself?

I hope in time it becomes as second nature as using nicknames for friends, whether you think the name suits them or not.

Gotta jet, but I'm just so frustrated and tired of being "Anti-PC" for the sake of being edgy and saying that you are, instead of maybe giving half a damn about your fellow people. Goodnight

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There might be room for discussion on a personal person to person basis, but not Government compelled speech. I wish all the best for someone struggling with gender dysphoria, I really do, but let's not pretend for the sake of the individuals discomfort that we lie and refer to them by a different gender pronoun.

Even people who transition from one gender to the other are 40% likely to commit suicide despi
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