Japan Family Incest

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Does this really happen? How "common" is it? And what other types of incest
happen there? Why is it not considered "shocking" news?
Geee blow job by Japanese mothers. Maybe it's an isolated case rather
something that's common. Hopefully.

, although anything in
possible, I eah, how common? I sure didn't experenced it nor hear about
some

Geee blow job by Japanese mothers. Maybe it's an isolated case rather
I was born and raised in Japan ... but I've never heard of this ever in my life.
This is "common" affair? Gee, I didn't know anything about it, that's really
news to me.
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However as a former social-anthropologist ( herm), I very much doubt that
any culture can promote mother-son *sexual* relationships for whatever
reason that may be.
(apart maybe to instiguate a massive trolly thread perhaps ?)

"Uminchu" wrote in message
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Uminchu wrote in message
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> Please say it isn't so! I hear that it is common in Japan for mothers to
> perform oral sex on their sons who are "at that age" in order to not be
> distracted from their schoolwork.
Not common, but rare occasions. Some XXXvideos of incest available in Japan.
BTW Iam wondering if there are really sons who are NOT distracted from their
schoolwork despite having oral sex services from their mothers.

On Wed, 05 Dec 2001 19:11:33 GMT, "Uminchu"
wrote:
"Uminchu" wrote in message
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> I was born and raised in Japan ... but I've never heard of this ever in my life.
> This is "common" affair? Gee, I didn't know anything about it, that's really
> news to me.
No worries Yasui, Kaminarikun, Simon and other folks. "Uminchu" is
just a troll. He is a sick Polack and he has been insulting, looking
down on Japanese and believing the fraud of Tokyo-japs that is "every
Osakans is Yakuza or criminals" with his sick Okinawan wife who has a
bad attitude against every mainland Japanese in scj from a few month
ago. You could check his ugly and silly posts in the past by Google.


> Uminchu wrote in message
> news:FjuP7.1408$lN5.31...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> > Please say it isn't so! I hear that it is common in Japan for mothers to
> > perform oral sex on their sons who are "at that age" in order to not be
> > distracted from their schoolwork.
>
> Not common, but rare occasions. Some XXXvideos of incest available in Japan.
Rare? It seems Taro has grown up with his mother's nice tongue. In
addition, surely he seems like the one of those maniac fans of Hentai
videos

A couple years ago I often saw ads of such videos available in
Uwasa-no-shinso magazine. Therefore what I wrote is no less than to
describe a social phenomeon I saw.
seems rather strange if you ask me ....
"The Universality of Incest
Lloyd DeMause
The Journal of Psychohistory, Fall 1991, Vol. 19, No. 2
Japan began to move beyond the infanticidal mode of childrearing at least
two centuries ago.(146) Therefore, reliable accounts of traditional Japanese
childhood sexual life are harder to find. Furthermore, there is currently
such a taboo on talking about sexual molestation of children that current
official figures report only a few hundred cases per year in all of
Japan.(147) Although some recent visitors to Japan, witnessing almost
everyone reading soft-core pornographic comics (manga) that feature young
girls "being accosted, surprised, tied up, beaten, knifed [and]
tortured,(148) wonder whether the very low official child abuse figures
reported are accurate, personal letters I have written to an-thropologists,
educators, psychoanalysts and others specializing in Japanese psychology
have brought nothing but denial that sexual molestation exists in
substantial numbers of families in Japan today.
Ancient Japan resembled both India and China in having institutionalized
Greek-style pederasty of boys - by priests as well as warriors - temple
prostitution of both boys and girls, and widespread child prostitution,
including the ancient geisha system.(149) Japanese brothels would start
girls in sexual service at S to 7 years old.(150) Pederasty (shudo) by the
aristocracy and priesthood is well documented since at least the 14th
century, with young boys given by their parents to be used anally by
samurais and by priests in monasteries - the buggered boys sometimes having
been worshipped as gods incarnate in religious cults similar to those of the
cult of the Virgin in the West.(151)
One of the most endogenous societies in the world, Japan has approved of
incestuous marriages in court circles even in historical times.(152)
Preferred sibling, cousin, uncle-niece and aunt-nephew marriages have been
so extensive that genetics experts have discovered that the inbreeding has
affected their size and health.(153) How often this incestuous marriage
system occurred in traditional Japan is still largely unexplored. One
indication of what is likely to be found is a 1959 study by Kubo showing
that there were still rural areas in Japan where fathers married their
daughters when the mother had died or was incapacitated, "in accordance with
feudal family traditions.(154) Kubo concluded that incest was considered
"praiseworthy conduct" in many traditional rural families. In the 36 incest
cases he studied in Hiroshima, he found that there was often community moral
disapproval of the families who lived in open incestuous marriages, but that
the participants themselves did not think of it as immoral. In fact, when
the father was unavailable to head the family, his son often took over his
role and had sex with his sister in order "to end confusion in the order of
the home." Other members of the family accepted this incest as normal.
In traditional Japan, quite young girls were introduced into sex by older
boys who visited their bedrooms at night with the complicity of the girl's
parents (called night-prowling, yobai). The boys "assembled in communal huts
and instructed slightly younger village males in sex approaches and
techniques..." Although they recommended "gentle persuasion,"(155) there was
no guarantee that all was so gentle in fact, since the parents "looked the
other way" in accordance with custom while the older boys had intercourse
with their young daughters.
Western observers even today often notice that Japanese mothers still
masturbate their young children during the day in public and at night in the
family bed - in order, they say, "to put them to sleep."(156) The average
Japanese today sleeps with his or her children until the children are ten or
fifteen years old,"(157) - one recent Japanese study found daughters still
sleeping with their fathers over 20 percent of the time even after age
sixteen.(158) Even when the home contains a dozen rooms or more, parents and
grandparents feel "lonely" if they sleep apart from
the children in the family, and therefore go to bed with some child every
night (the mean age in one study of children sleeping alone is 12.7
years).(159) Since so many families still practice what is termed dakine
co-sleeping - with the parent or grandparent sleeping while physically
embracing the child, a practice said to be beneficial to the health of the
adult"(160) - and since most Japanese parents still regularly have sexual
in-tercourse while the child is in bed with them,(161) one wonders how
scholars can continue to maintain that nothing sexual usually happens to the
Japanese child in the family bed, particularly since none have yet ask-ed
the children themselves about their sexual experiences.
This stone wall on information about incest in Japan has been breach-ed
somewhat by four recent studies. The first is a Japanese feminist sex survey
modeled on those of Shere Hite that reported one-third of the respondents
having memories of being sexually abused by relatives or close friends as
children, a figure considerably higher than comparable American
questionnaire studies.(162) Secondly, other studies show that the majority
of urban parents in 1981 reported that they had lately begun to be bothered
by the thought that children with whom they slept might be aware of their
intercourse - a growing guilt about incestuous activities that was
increasingly common in the West in early modern times and which led for the
first time to separate beds for children.(163)
Thirdly, two recent books on Japanese incest provide new insights into the
subject. The first is a report of a "hotline" set up in Tokyo by a
counseling service, which analyzed the hundreds of calls they received
dealing with incest.(164) Since official Japanese statistics deny the
occurrence of incest, they were surprised to find that their hotline was
flooded with such calls. One of their major findings is that, in addition to
the usual father-daughter and sibling incest found in the West, 29 percent
of the Japanese calls complained about mother - son incest. This is an
extremely high proportion compared to other countries, but about what could
be expected considering the common frequency with which Japanese mothers
sleep alone with their sons while the father is out having sex with other
women - extramarital sex still being the rule for most married men in
Japan.(165)
The most commonly reported incest occurs when the mother sees her son
masturbate as a teenager and tells him, "It's not good to do it alone. Your
IQ becomes lower. I will help you," or "You cannot study if you cannot have
sex. You may use my body," or "I don't want you to get into trouble with a
girl. Have sex with me instead."(166) The researchers found that Japanese
mothers and sons often sleep in the same bed and have sex together, although
the exact incidence in the population was not investigated. According to the
phone interviews, Japanese mothers teach their sons how to masturbate,
helping them to achieve first ejaculation in much the same manner as they
earlier helped them with toilet training.(167) Most of the sons had no
sexual experience with another woman, and became jealous of the mothers'
having sex with their fathers, feeling they should have the right to
monopolize the mothers - perhaps helping explain why one informant told a
family planning expert: "We have no Oedipal problems in Japan - there's no
competition from the father.(168) Mother recent Japanese book, based on one
hundred incest reports, confirms these observations, including the unusually
high rate of mother - son incest, although it, too, provides no way to
determine true national incidence rates.(169)
Finally, a recent psychohistoncal study of Japanese childhood by Kitahara
(170) provides a number of new details about Japanese incest, in-cluding the
acceptance of sibling incest in early historic times, the routine acceptance
of pederasty up until recently, the wide extent even today of co-sleeping
and co-bathing, and the degree to which incest depends on co-sleeping
patterns and upon the very limited contact fathers have with their families
> I hear that it is common in Japan for mothers to
> perform oral sex on their sons who are "at that age" in order to not be
> distracted from their schoolwork.
And how is THIS not distracting the boys from their schoolwork? Everything else
"at that age" distract them from schoolwork, but this beats them all. If this
has been done, I'd think, the boys will never get to work (unless of course,
those mothers use it as "positive reinforcement" for getting the schoolwork
done).
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:37:23 +0100, "Benga"
wrote:
>I have no idea of the actual value of this stuff ( I just Googled for it)
>
>seems rather strange if you ask me ....
>

It *is* rather strange, and if you check the citation list most of the
references for the section on Japan (especially), they're other
articles from the same journal. And I've never heard of the journal;
it's certainly not something like the New England Journal of Health.
It appears to be a sort of critical analysis circular, which means
it's the closest thing to a Xeroxed poetry rag as it can possibly be
while still having citations.
The article itself is terrifying; the author's biases are obvious,
pervasive, and Freudian. His major thesis is that something like 45-60
percent of all children have endured incest - doubly creepy given his
use of Freud at the beginning of the article (Freud more or less
claimed that children exhibiting certain behaviors have been sexually
abused, and then found the behavior in an abnormally high percentage
of children, and considered his theory proved. He was instrumental in
a few cases of *causing* sexual weirdness within families.)
In the Japan section the author even proudly refers to the results of
a "Shere Hite style poll" to determine abuse rates - the methodology
of Hite is famously dumb (it's the textbook example of dumb) - she
sent out polls in womens' magazines and only counted the returned
results. And, naturally, the kind of person who would fill out and
return an unexpected sex survey is not a representative of the
societal norm. From this and other hints, I don't think it's a
particularly reliable article


Taro Yamada wrote in message


> Here are some Japanese references and translated works on incest:
>
> http://homepage1.nifty.com/eggs/book/bkincest.html
> I have no idea of the actual value of this stuff ( I just Googled for it)
>
> seems rather strange if you ask me ....
>
> "The Universality of Incest
> Lloyd DeMause
>
> http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/06a1_incest.html
Granted I haven't been back to Japan for the past 11 years, I did spend my
childhood and most of my puberty in Japan, so I think (at least, I hope) I'd
know what's "common" and what's not ... unless, of course, I was living in this
hole in the ground (hey you never know).
I can imagine there are occurance of incidences as described in this article. We
see and hear strange things all over the world, not just in Japan. The rate of
it, however, I wouldn't know. I personally think (since I can't PROVE so) that
their numbers are overly exaggerated ... and I trully hope they are.
My husband, who is also Japanese (though he's lived in the US for over 10
years), had said that a lot of information in this article is also news to him.
He just can't imagine these things happening.
1. It is true that Japanese children tend to sleep in the same area or even same
bed until much later age than Westerners (if at all). Though I don't recall
sleeping in my parents' bed at all, my husband did say that he was sleeping in
the same bed with his parents until he was 10 or so, and in his case it was
because of lack of space. Furthermore, children take bath with mom/dad
relatively regularly until at least puberty, because that's the "norm."
2, "Yobai" was a regular occurrence one time or another in Japan. We know that.
But we'd be damned if it was still a regular event at this date in the city ...
and we both grew up in the city. (Hey, if it did happen, how come we never got
to hear these "fun" stories from our pals? Heh.)
3, Often times, Japanese comedians make fun of rural Japanese people, saying
that they sleep with their close relatives ... much the same way American
comedians make fun of rednecks. We don't know exactly how often these kind of
things happen, but if you really think about it, people don't make fun of
something that occurs regularly. The fact that comedians use this material of
which to make fun tells me that it is at the least a taboo by majority. Or am I
speculating?
> Western observers even today often notice that Japanese mothers still
> masturbate their young children during the day in public and at night in the
> family bed - in order, they say, "to put them to sleep."(156) The average
> Japanese today sleeps with his or her children until the children are ten or
> fifteen years old,"(157) - one recent Japanese study found daughters still
> sleeping with their fathers over 20 percent of the time even after age
> sixteen.(158) Even when the home contains a dozen rooms or more, parents and
> grandparents feel "lonely" if they sleep apart from the children in the
> family, and therefore go to bed with some child every night (the mean age in
> one study of children sleeping alone is 12.7 years).(159) Since so many
> families still practice what is termed dakine co-sleeping - with the parent or
> grandparent sleeping while physically embracing the child, a practice said to
> be beneficial to the health of the adult"(160) - and since most Japanese
> parents still regularly have sexual in-tercourse while the child is in bed
> with them,(161) one wonders how scholars can continue to maintain that nothing
> sexual usually happens to the Japanese child in the family bed, particularly
> since none have yet ask-ed
> the children themselves about their sexual experiences.
This, I simply have hard time believing. I've never seen the occurrence (in
public, they say?) nor heard of the occurrence. Or have I been so overprotected
by my abusive stepmother that I don't know about anything happening around me?
Hmm...
> extramarital sex still being the rule for most married men in Japan.(165)
This bothers me a lot, as did my husband. Extra-marital affairs are
"understood"? Is that what I'm reading?? As far as I knew, if someone I knew
would have said "my husband is cheating on me..." our reaction would have been
"Gasp! ...we are sorry to hear that. What do you plan to do about it?" We
certainly didn't say "oh well, that's how it is." If this is a common
occurrence, then why would people watch soap operas in Japan? They've got the
better thing happening in real life.
Meanwhile, I really liked one of the comments my husband made after reading this
article. He said, "I suppose the fact that us (Japanese) typically co-bathe with
complete strangers at those public baths would make us ultimate gang-bang maniac
race, wouldn't it? " LOL.
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Developer/Instructional Designer
Interactive Marketing
Benga wrote:
> I have no idea of the actual value of this stuff ( I just Googled for it)
>
> seems rather strange if you ask me ....
It states that: "Japanese mothers teach their sons how to masturbate."
This one is news to me. Have any of your Japanese mother helped you out?
I do agree about the co-bathing habits, I used to bathe with my mother,
aunt, grandmother,
relatives, friends. Yet don't recall ever being molested tho.
> "The Universality of Incest
> Lloyd DeMause
>
> http://www.psychohistory.com/h
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