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12:53 AM EDT, Wed June 15, 2022

'Are you out of your effing mind?': Hear what Trump White House attorney told John Eastman

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The House select committee investigating the January 6 attack on the Capitol teased their upcoming hearing on Thursday, by releasing a video clip from their deposition of former Trump White House attorney Eric Herschmann.

In the clip, Herschmann outlines how he warned conservative attorney John Eastman to back off plans to file appeals in Georgia based on the election results after the events of January 6, 2021.

Thursday’s hearing is expected to focus on the pressure campaign applied to former Vice President Mike Pence to stand in the way of the certification of the election. Eastman was the architect of the plan , and the committee plans to show that he pushed it to former President Donald Trump despite the insistence from his top lawyers that it was not sound legal advice.

“He started to ask me about something dealing with Georgia and preserving something, potentially, for appeal,” Herschmann says in the video. “And I said to him, ‘Are you out of your effing mind? Because I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth for now on: orderly transition.’ I said ‘I don’t want to hear any other effing words coming out of your mouth no matter what, other than ‘orderly transition.’ Repeat those words to me.”

He then goes on to warn Eastman that his actions could potentially be against the law.

“Eventually he said ‘orderly transition.’ I said, ‘Good John. Now I’m gonna give you the best free legal advice you’re ever getting in your life. Get a great effing criminal defense lawyer. You’re gonna need it.’ And I hung up on him.”

The committee is in the middle of a series of public hearings, which started last week, to showcase the panel’s findings since forming last year. On Monday, the committee heard testimony from a former Fox News digital politics editor, a conservative lawyer, a former US attorney and a former Republican election official – who all said it was clear President Joe Biden won the election and Trump’s claims of fraud were nonsense.

The committee was originally scheduled to hold a hearing on Wednesday, but that has been postponed until a later date . Members cited “technical issues” as well as giving Americans “the time and space to digest” the previous hearing as the reasons for the delay.

CORRECTION: A previous version of this story misstated Eric Herschmann’s position. He was a Trump White House lawyer.

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Congresswoman Liz Cheney on Tuesday revealed some attempts to intimidate witnesses cooperating with the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021 insurrection and signaled that the panel plans to share additional details at future hearings.
"You don't tamper with witnesses like this if you have nothing to hide."
The Wyoming Republican provided examples during her closing remarks at a surprise hearing that focused on bombshell testimony from Cassidy Hutchinson, who served as a special assistant to Mark Meadows, former President Donald Trump's chief of staff.
"While our committee has seen many witnesses, including many Republicans, testify fully and forthrightly, this has not been true of every witness—and we have received evidence of one particular practice that raises significant concern," explained Cheney, vice chair of the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.
"Our committee commonly asks witnesses connected to Mr. Trump's administration or campaign whether they've been contacted by any of their former colleagues or anyone else who attempted to influence or impact their testimony," Cheney continued.
The congresswoman then shared two samples of answers the panel received to that question, without identifying any of the involved parties.
In response to the examples—which were also shared in full on the committee's Twitter account—Congresswoman Marie Newman (D-Ill.), who is not on the panel, said : "Witness intimidation. Clear as day."
That was a widely shared sentiment, and some viewers of the hearing called for action by the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ)—specifically, Attorney General Merrick Garland.
"Your move, Merrick," tweeted Salon politics writer Amanda Marcotte.
Aki Peritz, a former counterterrorism analyst for the U.S. government, said that "this is mob boss/clear witness intimidation behavior. DOJ, I hope you're taking notes."
Journalist Aaron Rupar similarly asserted that the messages featured "big mob boss energy."
University of Michigan law professor Leah Litman agreed that this is "how mobsters do witness intimidation."
Sean Eldridge, founder and president of the progressive advocacy group Stand Up America, pointed out that "you don't tamper with witnesses like this if you have nothing to hide," and called the revelations "one more layer of Trump's criminal conspiracy."
Cheney said that "I think most Americans know that attempting to influence witnesses to testify untruthfully present
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