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I just stumbled across this page and as I looked down I saw the picture of Pedobear and tried looking for some info about this pedobear in the article but couldnt find a thing. Im sure this 'Pedobear' must have something to do with the page but this should really be explained or the picture taken down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.48.132 ( talk ) 01:26, 23 June 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I'm sorry but as an early Lurker of 4chan's /b/, I do believe that we should respects /b/s rules and do not talk about /b/. I would hope for the section for /b/ to be taken down and simply place the first 2 rules of the internet "DO NOT TALK ABOUT /b/" Just respect for the site and all that you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coastshift ( talk • contribs ) 00:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
No mention yet of the #gorillapenis on twitter? Leviathanlover ( talk ) 19:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I'm curious, they've been under DDOS attack for 3 days, and yet wikipedia doesn't say anything about it? 68.191.160.109 ( talk ) 21:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
If it stays down for over a week, I am sure someone will put something up on it 75.26.244.181 ( talk ) 21:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
considering it IS one of the biggest sites on the net, and the fact its STILL down, maybe its time for a mention on the page? 75.26.244.181 ( talk ) 21:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I hope no one's considering updating the 4chan article on Wikipedia with this DDoS attack, because if they are, they have several other attacks that lasted much longer than this to report first. This is neither the first or the worst attack 4chan has received, it doesn't deserve to be recorded. - Bendilin ( talk ) 02:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Things like that get posted rather frequently. I just don't see how the Emma Watson case is notable. Perhaps a more general statement about death hoaxes would be preferable in this case. Pacific Coast Highway { worst summer • ever } 19:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Any chance of someone adding AT&T blocking access to img.4chan.org? Article on TechCrunch Reddit thread Bylebog ( talk ) 02:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Yes. Please do add coverage for this. I myself am an AT&T customer and kept thinking that someone DDoSed /b/. This is a massive encroachment on everyone on the internet's rights. Today /b/, tomorrow any site that doesn't pay up to ATT. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.48.107 ( talk ) 04:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Given that first ATT shut off service, then Cogent did, I'm guessing it's due to a really big DDOS, so before everyone goes crazy about this, lets settle a few days and watch it play out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Datatable ( talk • contribs ) 09:32, 27 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Keep cool. Stay civil. Stick to the facts. KyuuA4 ( Talk:キュウ ) 10:38, 27 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
There is a small typo in this section; spaming should obviously be spamming
-- Blikkie ( talk ) 10:37, 30 July 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
this article claims that anontalk or "alm" is responsible for a ddos " spoofing 4chan " causing the att blackout but this is not what was released by moot. he acknowledges the ddos attack against 4chan (likely from anontalk) but claims the ddos attack from 4chan that caused att to block the site was caused by an error on 4chan's part.
here is the administrators info from http://status.4chan.org/ :
the npr episode was a casual interview with someone who was barely knowledgeable on the subject matter, and quoting internet rumors. Some thing ( talk ) 18:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
i removed the mention of chris pooles initials being the same as for child pornography. the mention of "pedobear" is unsourced. since CP is illegal, any mention of it being tolerated at 4chan is potentially libelous for whoever maintains it. I am utterly new to this article, and to 4chan, but i thought i should mention this. unless someone can provide references to this material in the start of the article, it should probably be removed. Mercurywoodrose ( talk ) 01:27, 4 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Mercurywoodrose, you know that moot's alleged real name "Christopher Poole" is a fake name right, with references to 4chan memes CP (child porn) and Pool's closed ( Habbo Hotel pranks), right? That was the point of my edit you reverted. And it can't be libel since it's obviously not the guy's real name and he chose it as an in-joke related to those things. Are you ready for IPv6? ( talk ) 21:12, 4 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I am not violating NPOV by asking whether an unsourced line in the article is potentially an insinuation that the purported creator of 4chan has initials which are the same as those for child porn at the site, therefore may in some way support that content. I have removed warnings on WP about "adult content" in external links. if any third party source has written about this topic, i thoroughly welcome any additions. if "objectionable" threads tend to get closed quickly, and that can be documented, thats great, lets put it in. Mercurywoodrose ( talk ) 15:38, 5 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
"Child pornography is referred to as CP on 4chan. [ citation needed ] "
Do we really need a fact tag when it is just the first two letters of the (for lack of a better phrase) phrase? Seems to be getting overly ironic, all things considered. -- Human.v2.0 ( talk ) 01:47, 5 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Child pornography often appears on 4chan and so does Pedobear. (Pedobear is now being sold on T-shirts thoughout the Internet) 4chan officially has a policy against child pornography, but any long-time 4chan user can tell you there are times when the 'mods are sleeping,' to use a 4chan phrase. In CP threads, people boast of being 'in b4 404,' meaning they downloaded the pictures before the thread was deleted. In any case, child pornography threads are rife and can stay up for much more than a moment. I'm not trying to slander 4chan, but it frustrates me that no news account of 4chan has mentioned Pedobear. It's ubiquitous. It's one of 4chan's unofficial emblems. It's unsettling. Penneth ( talk ) 20:56, 5 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Debate aside, I would like to introduce a sentence in the introductory paragraph that reads: "Pedobear is a popular meme on 4chan. A cartoon pedophile bear, its origin and meaning are controversial, but it is sometimes posted in child pornography threads on /b/." Penneth ( talk ) 21:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
This argument is a waste of time. We can't add anything like what is being discussed until it is sourced. Shii (tock) 04:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I posted this source originally; it was deleted. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pedobear 74.233.42.18 ( talk ) 16:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Posted on 4chan right now... Here's the time-stamp for the Original Post: "Anonymous 08/11/09(Tue)12:48:00 No.152123744 /b/ give me a reason why your the sickest people in internet." Here are links to some of the images in the thread. None are illicit, however the first two are pornographic Japanese comics, one involving an insect. (Open at your own risk.) The rest are permutations of Pedobear. http://img34.imageshack.us/i/1250009511677.jpg/ , http://img13.imageshack.us/i/1250011304497.jpg/ , http://img212.imageshack.us/i/1250010649916.jpg/ , http://img190.imageshack.us/i/1250010803451.png/ 74.233.42.18 ( talk ) 17:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I post the link to that 4chan thread only to demonstrate that there are many permutations of Pedobear on the /b/ boards, and further that pedobear is sometimes posted alongside hard-core pornography and hard-core gore. I could not locate any other recurring meme in that thread besides Pedobear and MOAR or MOARPLZ. I will post screenshots of the thread in question. But as of this writing the link is still active: it contains hard-core Japanese cartoon pornography involving insect impregnation, several pictures of real Japanese women with snakes going up their vaginas, several dead bodies and severed limbs, and at least 18 renditions of Pedobear. 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 18:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I have already given two links from Wonkette citing Pedobear's existence (see above). Here is one more: http://www.inquisitr.com/30613/republicans-now-using-obama-pedobear-images/ . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 18:47, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
To be precise, here is what Gpia7r demanded on Aug. 10: "How about you go to /b/ for a week and report EVERY SINGLE posting of Pedobear, as well as what type of thread it was in." That is obviously impossible, unless you want to pay me to take off an entire week and spend 24 hours a day scrolling through 15 pages of constantly shifting threads. But I did find a thread with over 18 pedobear postings in it. And it was a pornography/gore thread. I was told by Gpia7r that this didn't count as evidence because I could've either posted the dozens of images in the thread myself (impossible; there is flood control), or otherwise recruited my friends to do so for me. This debate is like something out of Catch-22. 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 19:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Both of you, stop this nonsense. Pedobear's connection to 4chan isn't sourced, and also isn't common sense, so it's not going to be included. Done and done. The edit window is actually LAGGING this section is so long, and all for an argument that was over before it started. -- King ÖÖmie III 19:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
To alleviate the stress on loading the behemoth above. Continue here, please. -- King ÖÖmie III 20:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
"Though you can dispute the credibility of the "Know Your Meme" itself, the information contained there is accurate."
This has no bearing here. Know Your Meme isn't a reliable source, as the content is user-created, and it falls under the category of "wiki". Correct or not, it can't be sourced here, and thus, the subject it pertains to REMAINS UNSOURCED. -- King ÖÖmie III 20:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Here's yet another 4chan pedobear thread. http://img.4chan.org/b/res/152168652.html I've visited 4chan three times today; found a pedobear thread each time. 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 21:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Try an undent. Please enlighten me as to how you intend to twist that light-hearted ad for a stuffed animal into pedobear's 'inherent notability' for being a demonic symbol of our society's sexualization of children. -- King ÖÖmie III 19:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Pedobear is notable because it is a symbol of pedophilia and it is used in criminal child pornography threads on 4chan.
I thought you guys might like this. It's a little girl purportedly offering to take off her clothes for /b/. And the thread is full of Pedobear: http://img.4chan.org/b/res/152441230.html 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 21:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
It's really not worth all this fighting. Wikipedia documents facts that are reported in certain kinds of sources. We like academic sources, and reputable publications with well-established history of fact-checking. We end up using a lot of inferior sources, too, but when it's cleanup time in any article, they go. Cleanup time happens whenever someone decides to make it happen. In an article on a subject with the notoriety of 4chan, you can expect it to happen every day.
Sure, there are lots of pedobear threads on 4chan, and there are lots of places on the internet where it's mentioned that pedobear is a 4chan meme. The intersection between those sources and the sources we try to use here is very, very small. The best place to document Internet memes is ED; you must already know this. Go make their pedobear article excellent. When pedobear is talked about in the New York Times and BBC, and when some historian of the Internet writes about him, then bring that to Wikipedia.
Yes, the bar is higher for subjects such as this one. That can't be changed by any of us, so we work with reality. Write about pedobear on ED, and write from high quality, reputable published sources on Wikipedia. Go get a degree in history, write a History of Internet Memes, and then come back and cite it. Do your homework. - GTBacchus ( talk ) 22:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Gpia and King. My source meets reliability requirements. The blog is an employer with an editor and staff of professional journalists. Above I have posted a link to Wikipedia's reliability requirements for a weblog. Read it, and show me where my source is not in conformance. It is in conformance -- not to mention, my source has ample precedence, as there are three other citations of blogs in the 4chan article, including a citation of a lengthy entry explaining "what is 4chan and /b/". I am adding a line about pedobear today. I will post it in here first, to avoid a war and to allow input from other users. I have played by the rules. Sincerely yours, 74.233.42.141 ( talk ) 17:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I'd like to let everybody know that I have moved this debate beyond the board. I have contacted Wikipedia's media desk and I will later be contacting the Wikipedia Administration. My source conforms completely with the rules and it's being denied by a hierarchy. Thanks, 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 19:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I propose adding the following sentence somewhere in the article (exactly where can be determined later): "Pedobear is a 4chan meme that is widely merchandised on the Internet [2] [3] [4] . A cartoon pedophile bear, it was mysteriously pictured with Obama in a column by former Republican presidential candidate Pat Buchanan." [5] [6] [7] 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 21:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
By the way, Gpia - What are your qualifications on this board? Are you an editor? If so, what authority do you have and what do you base that authority on? 74.233.42.141 ( talk ) 22:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Thanks to a helpful Wikipedia user on another board, I have a found an academic paper from Georgia Tech verifying that Pedobear is a 4chan meme. http://smartech.gatech.edu/handle/1853/28098 . The following is a quote from that paper: "Pedobear” is a 4chan meme. Originally a Japanese character named Kuma or “bear”,
it was adopted by 4chan users early on in the site’s history. The character is used as a
marker for Lolita‐complex or lolicon, i.e. drawn images of prepubescent girls in sexually
suggestive poses, or other behavior that may suggest pedophilia. In some cases it is also
used to describe photographic images which skirt the line of being child pornography as well as in ironically contrasting situations, such as a picture of someone with the image
on hand posing with To Catch a Predator host Chris Hansen. 74.233.42.141 ( talk ) 23:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I have a professional blog and an academic paper both stating that Pedobear is a 4chan meme. If you like, I will also furnish you with dozens of archived 4chan threads (archives, meaning I could not have tampered with them) that either contain Pedobear or are dedicated entirely to Pedobear. As for the paper, it would appear that it was vetted by committee. The following names are listed as advisors on the paper... Committee Chair: Celia Pearce; Committee Member: Carl DiSalvo; Committee Member: Fox Harrell; Committee Member: Jay Bolter 74.233.42.141 ( talk ) 23:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I know that arguing on the Internet is "fun", but it is a dead-end strategy. Stop wasting time and space talking to him , and go talk to other people. Build consensus among people who haven't already decided that you're wrong, and come back with it, letting it speak for you.
This back-and-forth is pointless. Stop. Walk away. Talk to me, not to him. Yell at me if it helps. Yes, I'm addressing both of you. - GTBacchus ( talk ) 00:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
If you guys are going to generate this much text, it is considered very courteous to insert occasional subheaders. They help prevent edit conflicts, and they help us all keep track of different threads of the conversation. Please consider using them. I'd like to have some input here, but the format is obnoxious.
Precisely what claim needs to be verified here? Is is that Pedobear originated on 4chan? Is it that Pedobear was popularized on 4chan? Is it that Pedobear is one of the most important things to mention about 4chan (lead-paragraph-worthy)? The answers to those three questions are "The source doesn't make that claim", "no problem", and "the source does not make that claim". Which is it? - GTBacchus ( talk ) 23:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I have requested mediation on the above subject. I ask that both Kingoomieiii and Penneth go to the link, sign that they agree to have this issue mediated, and let the committee handle this.
Thanks Gpia7r ( talk ) 19:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I will not as of now agree to mediation when I have so clearly demonstrated my case. "King" has called my source "fine." Gpia's last reason for not including pedobear is that it's not 4chan-exclusive - even though every meme already in the article is also not 4chan-exclusive. Mediation is not, at this point, necessary. Thanks, 68.153.199.181 ( talk ) 21:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
Is 4chan a play on the word 'fortune'? If true, this should probably be mentioned somewhere in the heading.-- Arrows98 ( talk ) 04:29, 6 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
There are actually a number of "chans," which were originally (and primarily are) Japanese anime forums, such as 7chan, 2chan, etc. I suspect that the use of the number 4 may have been a jab at the Japanese--since 4chan is an American site--as they consider 4 to be extremely unlucky, referring to it as "the death number." Were chans an American invention, we might similarly see a Japanese-owned board called 13chan. DuckFerret ( talk ) 04:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I believe that the memes section should be removed from the article. It is hardly relevant to 4chan and it only lists two examples, hardly a comprehensive list of 4chan memes. Maybe it could be put into List of popular internet memes ? 64.56.249.128 ( talk ) 11:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
It doesn't seem to mention anywhere that 4chan is largely Antifurry and often bans any Furries/Fur art that appears on their boards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.246.56 ( talk ) 17:13, 22 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
I don't think it's worth documenting but here's news sources.
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[11] [12] Are you ready for IPv6? ( talk ) 23:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC) [ reply ]
please add a link to the Hebrew wiki article.
he:4chan
A lot of this thread seems to be focused more on the group anonymous rather than the actual image board 4chan.org which was based off of the Japanese board 2chan.net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.109.202.188 ( talk ) 23:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC) [ reply ]
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