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26th October 2020 at 5:34 pm #115664
Night after night I have the grossest incest dreams you could ever imagine. Not just with the perpetrator different family members. I’m doing so well trying to keep my head above the water but it’s so hard. I’m getting a bit confused over if things have really happened or not. I feel like everything I say is a lie. There’s someone coming in the week I think it’s to help me because I’m having a crisis but sometimes this things go all wrong and it’s social care saying I’m too mad to look after my own children. I feel very wary and I’m not really sure of things. I do know I feel like a terrible mother who cant look after my own kids. I feel tormented by decades old and decades of abuse. I’m worried about not being good enough. And I feel ashamed that I’m not good enough. My ex is there helping out every time I need him and I feel like I was probably wrong about him too. There’s times I couldn’t have gone on without his help with my youngest. (Its not a situation where I’m going back). I dont know but i feel confused and tired
27th October 2020 at 8:14 pm #115725
How are you since posting? I hope it helped to offload to us. I am sorry to hear how difficult things are at the moment. I hope the person coming to see you this week offers support to you and your children. Try not to put too much pressure on yourself, take each day as it comes and lean on the support available.
Keep posting to us, we are here for you.
28th October 2020 at 12:14 pm #115750
Nothing much has changed. I get no rest at night and all day …..I’m just not acting normal. It’s like I’ve turned a corner and forgotten how to. I feel like I don’t know who I am again and that maybe I was wrong about my feelings and I dont know….I’m trying to be strong but everything seems to be never ending
28th October 2020 at 7:37 pm #115763
You must be feeling exhausted, sounds like you are doubting yourself but I am sure you are right about everything. You have been through so much, please stay strong, you can get through this.
30th October 2020 at 9:47 am #115826
The dr thinks those feelings of doubt will go again once I start having therapy again. It is so exhausting. I’m doubting everything.
12th November 2020 at 11:42 pm #116330
What you are describing is just how i was feeling a few years back ….on the edge of madness and feeling I was the bad one….
You are not mad or bad!
What was done to you was mad and Bad .
I hope and pray you can talk to a therapist soon. It is a great help.
I will help you make sense of what is happening to you.
Please know you are not alone ans it will get better xx
13th November 2020 at 10:42 pm #116352
Hi FF, so sorry to read you are struggling again. You are good enough, you are always enough, even when you feel you are not and have nothing to give – you are still enough; if only you could feel this hey. I used to feel this way in my twenties, in a constant state of feeling not good enough and that I was going mad at times, it’s awful. The way forward for me was to learn who I am, I developed a strong sense of ‘self identity’. When we are abused in childhood we never develop this, it’s like we have no foundation from which to grow in a healthy way; we learn only to mistrust. The good news is this time has now passed, you are an adult now and are not that powerless little girl anymore, you are woman with choices.
Hang in there flower and get the help you need. Chances are it feels much bigger inside, hidden, that it’s too complex to workout; it often feels because it’s always been like this there is only more of the same, because you haven’t got to that place yet, the place where all is ok in the world, a place where you feel ok to be me. It is infornt of you, if you reach for this. Therapy is the best place to help you workout who you are, become who you already are really – without the demons.
If you’re interested have a look into what is self identity. It’s what helps us with personal boundaries too x
13th November 2020 at 10:51 pm #116353
Also, google ‘The Paradoxical Theory of change’ –
“This theory can be summarised as: change occurs when a person becomes what they are, not when they try to become what they are not. In other words, we can’t make ourselves or anyone change in line with some ideal, but we will naturally change in an organic, meaningful and orderly way when we allow ourselves and others to be as we and they truly are”.
15th November 2020 at 11:04 am #116379
Thanks symphony and fizzy. These feelings are so overwhelming. I dont think I’ve ever known who I am. I’ve been told I’m a liar and a thief since I was little by someone who lied his way through stealing my childhood and any semblance of a real life I might ever have had. The things I look at are so disturbing but but somehow it gives me comfort. I need to speak to someone about it because with every peek into the dark I lose a bit of me. I’ll have a look at those things fizzy. Thank you both x*x
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Mackenzie Phillips' "consensual" affair with her dad shocked many, but she's hardly alone. Joseph Huff-Hannon talks to people who say their incestuous relationships are none of your business.
Updated Jul. 14, 2017 5:38PM ET / Published Sep. 28, 2009 6:45PM ET 
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The notion of intra-family sex has inspired—and revolted—onlookers from Oedipus to Deliverance. It's our society's No. 1 sexual taboo, and for good reason: Children of incestuous parents have a higher than normal rate of birth defects and congenital diseases. But even more destructive can be the psychological trauma of incest, especially to the young person engaging in it with his or her mother or father.
So when singer and actress Mackenzie Phillips admitted last week that she carried on a decade-long sexual relationship with her father, John Phillips of The Mamas & The Papas, the collective gasp was both predictable and promotional. (Phillips' new book, High on Arrival, hit stores September 23.) Dropping the bombshell on Oprah last week, Phillips largely defended the sex with her dad as consensual, though she's since pulled back somewhat, saying it started as molestation before becoming consensual about two years into it.
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But Phillips' claim that she was a willing participant didn't temper the outrage—in fact, it fueled the fire. Bloggers and commentators came out in force, and largely on one side of the issue, describing the many ways in which an incestuous relationship, especially between parent and child, can never be consensual. "Nope. Not consensual. Not even close," wrote a Huffington Post editor. "She was 19 and drugged out of her mind and her father raped her."
Mackenzie’s revelations are the latest in a string of high-profile, often garish cases of father-daughter incest, often involving clear signs of abuse, manipulation, and violence. So it hardly took her admission to reignite a firestorm over the legal, social, biological, and moral impropriety these relationships kick up, since the term "incest" most often conjures an image of a sexually exploitative relationship between an older male relative and a young girl. But perhaps proving that there's an interest group for everything, there is a small and vocal community, mostly found in online chatrooms and forums, that says incest is far too broad a term to describe a wide variety of relationships that involve consenting adults from the same family.
“For some reason Mackenzie's story bothers me a lot," says "LiLoLita," a poster on the conversation forum at GeneticSexualAttraction.com, a Web site for people who share an experience known as genetic sexual attraction (GSA). "Perhaps because I have a wonderful relationship with my daddy and don't wish to be associated with someone who claims to be raped."
“I have a wonderful relationship with my daddy and don't wish to be associated with someone who claims to be raped.”
GSA is characterized as an intense emotional and physical attraction between two family members who've been separated for many years, often from a young age, and upon reunion, all of the emotion of loss and separation is sometimes channeled into a sexual or romantic relationship. Hardly any scientific research has been conducted into GSA, and some psychologists believe it's a myth. They caution that psychologizing GSA risks normalizing it, making it something to be worked through, like post-traumatic stress disorder, rather than a destructive crime like abuse.
While GSA relationships are still broadly defined as incestuous, and are illegal in most states, at least one member of the GSA chat forum with whom I corresponded stressed that they don’t see their relationships with a family member in the same light as the Mackenzie Phillips story.
“The GSA Soup is one with many exotic ingredients, simmering away in a liquid of human emotion,” writes "Lost Sister," a frequent poster to the site who lives in Australia. She was separated from her biological brother at a very young age, and was reunited with him in her 20s, when she fell deeply in love with him. Although he didn’t share her feelings, this deeply emotional and unsettling experience pushed her to seek out others who shared the experience.
“The Web site was a blessed relief for all of us going through this. Yes, sex is occurring between genetically / biologically related people, but GSA is something much deeper that that. The sudden flood of love is overwhelming, and not having learned what to do with that love in it [sic] proper context, the tendency to sexualize it arises.”
Other posters to the site talk openly about what they see as healthy relationships with siblings, cousins—or parents.
“After being reunited with my dad after so many years, not seeing him since I was a baby, I never thought that our relationship would take the twists and turns that it has,” writes "BlueSky" in a post dated to 2007. “I didn't mean to fall in love with him, and we didn't meant [sic] to fall in love with each other, but it happened and we are happy and comfortable with the relationship that we have. The physical aspects just makes are [sic] love even more deeper.”
According to the Rape Abuse & Incest National Network, incest is any “sexual contact between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal (e.g., parents and children, uncles/aunts and nieces/nephews, etc.)” This would also be the case for cousins in 24 states. And while the idea of kissing cousins inspires in many a less visceral reaction than kissing parent and child, the taboo appears to have a particularly American genesis, as no other Western country bans the practice. It's this taboo that the many visitors to the Web site CousinCouples.com are well aware of. Some of the language used in recent posts sounds like earnest demands for the civil rights of a wronged minority. “Personally it doesn't matter to me what people think. This is my life and my happiness,” writes "FirstCousinsWed" in a post from September 22. “Of course it's easier to hide than being a homosexual or marrying outside your race. I love my cousin so much that I am not ashamed of it. I don't broadcast it, but to those I choose to tell if they don't accept it that's their problem—not mine.”
These incest defenders have occasionally had sex researchers on their side. In 1980, psychologist John Money of Johns Hopkins University was quoted in The Politics of Survivorship: Incest, Women's Literature, and Feminist Theory as asserting: "A childhood sexual experience, such as being the partner of a relative or an older person, need not necessarily affect the child adversely." Further back, Wardell Pomeroy, co-author of the original Kinsey Reports, stated that incest "can sometimes be beneficial." More recent studies have shown that distant cousins who procreate have the highest chances of success at pregnancy. These researchers are in the minority of their professions—most agree that incest can be psychologically harmful, especially in the context of a child-parent power dynamic.
Still, incest's defenders are adamant. On one forum about the subject, a poster posited the question: "How common is incest? I mean, I have thought about it before with my dad. Is it normal?" One of the top responses? "If you want to have sex with a close relative, go ahead and enjoy it—just don't tell anyone about it."
Joseph Huff-Hannon is a Brooklyn-based independent writer and producer, a 2008 finalist in the Livingston Award for Young Journalists, and a 2008 recipient of a James Aronson Award for Social Justice Journalism. See more of his work here: www.josephhuffhannon.com.
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Updated Aug. 25, 2021 5:16PM ET / Published Aug. 25, 2021 2:42PM ET 
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The head doctor at an Arkansas jail has been treating inmates suffering from COVID-19 with ivermectin, a drug commonly used to treat parasites in animals. A version of the same drug has been approved by the FDA for topical diseases in humans, but warned against by the agency as completely unproven—and downright dangerous—in treating the coronavirus.
Still, the drug has been prematurely and widely hyped by conservatives and far-right types—some of whom oppose vaccines—as a sort of latter-day pandemic miracle drug. As The Daily Beast reported, this recently set off a wave of disturbing prescriptions and even calls to poison-control centers, in some cases over people who apparently took the “horse paste” version of the drug intended for animals.
Eva Madison, a Justice of the Peace in Washington County, told The Daily Beast she found out about the treatments of the inmates on Tuesday, which were first reported by the Northwest Arkansas Democrat Gazette.
According to Madison, a county employee had been sent to the jail to get a COVID test, which turned out to be negative. Nonetheless, Robert Karas, a doctor who has overseen treatment and testing of inmates throughout the pandemic, allegedly prescribed the employee with 50 tablets of ivermectin, with a recommended dosage of 10 tablets per day. The pharmacy where the prescription was sent, Live + Well Pharmacy, confirmed to The Daily Beast that Karas has been filling out prescriptions there for ivermectin for both inmates and other patients.
Karas did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this story.
According to Madison, the county employee instead told his primary care physician about the prescription and his doctor told him to “throw it in the trash.”
Madison said she is concerned that the more than 600 inmates rotating in and out of the Washington County Detention Center don’t have the same ability to get a second opinion or question the treatment they’re given. “Our inmates do not have that choice,” she said.
Madison said she brought the issue up to Washington County Sheriff Tim Helder on Tuesday, who she said she’d always had a good relationship with. She expected Helder to handle the situation or at least express concern. But instead, she said, he defended Karas.
“I was shocked,” Madison told The Daily Beast.
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A spokeswoman for Helder initially declined to answer questions about the treatment or when it began to be used on inmates. “Dr. Karas with Karas Correctional Health is the medical provider contracted to care for the needs of the detainees, so I will have to refer you to him,” she told The Daily Beast.
Later, the spokeswoman told The Daily Beast that Helder only learned about Karas treating inmates who had tested positive for COVID with ivermectin on Tuesday afternoon. The Democrat Gazette reported Helder was informed about the use of ivermectin on inmates in July by Karas, but the spokeswoman said that was incorrect.
Madison said she spoke to Karas directly about the treatment on Tuesday, but that the doctor seemed unmoved and told her that he and members of his family have been taking the treatment to prevent against COVID. When questioned about the fact that the FDA has been adamant in warning against the use of the drug for COVID treatment, she said Karas cited a National Institutes of Health study to make his case.
But when Madison said she pointed out that the NIH concluded in a February report that there was “insufficient evidence” to recommend for or against the use of the drug for COVID treatment, Karas cited a web page published by the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance that purports to contain the “scientific rationale that justifies the use of ivermectin in COVID-19.”
According to The Scientist, the FLCCC wrote a paper arguing the benefits of ivermectin as a treatment that had been provisionally accepted and posted by the journal Frontiers in Pharmacology in January. However, by March, the paper was rejected and removed because editors found that it contained unsubstantiated claims. Nonetheless, the outlet reported, the paper had been widely viewed and shared by that point.
“So you take a website over the FDA?” Madison said of Karas’ defense. “It was just bizarre.”
Last week, the FDA tweeted out a page with information about ivermectin, mentioning that they had received multiple reports of patients requiring medical support and getting hospitalized after self-medicating with ivermectin intended for use on horses. The information they release said the drug, even when prescribed to humans to treat skin conditions or lice, is not an antiviral drug.
“Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm,” the FDA said.
At a county budget meeting on Tuesday evening, in which representatives from the Sheriff’s Office were requesting a larger budget for the next year—including a 10 percent increase in the budget for Karas and his staff to bring the total to over $1.5 million—Madison brought up the information she’d learned about the t
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