NOTE: Both tribes above ate raw meat too, which in my opinion, is fine, but industrialized meat normally pass through so much dirty in and on machines where older meat passed.

https://thepaleomama.com/2014/03/06/8-ridiculous-myths-meat-consumption-health/

* 1. Meat Rots in Your Colon:

Some people claim that meat doesn’t get digested properly and “rots” in your colon.

This is absolute nonsense, probably invented by dishonest vegans in order to scare people away from eating meat.

What happens when we eat meat, is that it gets broken down by stomach acid and digestive enzymes. In the small intestine, the proteins are broken down into amino acids and the fats are broken down into fatty acids.

After that, they get absorbed over the digestive wall and into the bloodstream. There’s nothing left to “rot” in your colon. If you want to know what really “rots” in your colon, it’s indigestible plant matter (fiber)… from vegetables, fruits, grains and legumes.

The human digestive system doesn’t have the enzymes necessary to break down fiber, which is why it travels all the way to the colon. There, it gets fermented (rots) by the friendly bacteria in the intestine, which turn it into nutrients and beneficial compounds like the short-chain fatty acid butyrate (1).

This is what keeps the friendly bacteria alive and many studies are showing that feeding these bacteria properly is incredibly important for optimal health (2, 3). So, meat doesn’t rot in the colon. Plants do… and this is actually a good thing.

Humans Are Naturally Herbivores and Not “Designed” For Meat Consumption:

Some vegans claim that humans aren’t “designed” to eat meat. They say that humans are naturally herbivores like our primate ancestors.

However… this is completely false. Humans and pre-humans have been eating meat for a very long time and our bodies are well adapted to meat consumption (27, 28). Our digestive systems really don’t resemble those of herbivores at all.

We have short colons, long small intestines and lots of hydrochloric acid in the stomach to help break down animal protein (29). The length of different parts of our digestive system is somewhere in between the lengths typical for both carnivores and herbivores, indicating that humans are “designed” to be omnivores (30).

https://farmfreshforlife.com/the-lie-of-vegetarianism/

A vegan diet – which is vegetarian but without dairy and eggs – is one of the most unhealthy diets in my professional opinion.

The truth is that meat is very good for humans. It is the easiest on the body to digest and we can absorb nutrients from meat, eggs, dairy, and fish more readily than any other foods.

In fact, our digestive systems are more similar to canines (designed to eat meat) than ruminants (designed to eat plants). We have relatively short digestive systems that contain pepsin (the acid needed to digest protein).

It is fascinating.

Bone broth, bone marrow, and collagen are the miracle foods that not only nourish us best, but they can also actually HEAL our bodies. When we suffer from gut problems, these foods are often the medicine we need to get better.

A podcast I listened to discussed the cycle of vegan (and healthy vegetarian) eating.

In the beginning, there is the ‘high.’ When a person goes from eating a standard American diet to a vegan or healthy vegetarian eating plan they will feel better. They will have energy. They may lose weight or feel lighter.

As the vegetable-focused diet continues the person goes into a state of ‘fasting.’ Whether you call it that or not, vegans are fasting.

After the body has detoxed, it will begin to crave meat, eggs or dairy. See, the Doctor (she was the one delivering the podcast) explained that this is the body letting us know that it is time to stop the fast and begin to eat meat (or cheese or dairy) again.

The danger begins when these cravings are ignored.

When your body wants a piece of cheese, an egg or a steak, there is probably a reason. And a radish isn’t going to satisfy that nutritional need.

https://chriskresser.com/why-you-should-think-twice-about-vegetarian-and-vegan-diets/

If You Want Nutrient-Dense Foods, You Need to Eat Animal Products

Vegan diets, in particular, are almost completely devoid of certain nutrients that are crucial for physiological function. Deficiencies can take months or years to develop, and many are easily missed because they are not routinely tested for in primary care settings. Several studies have shown that both vegetarians and vegans are prone to deficiencies in:

Vitamin B12

Calcium

Iron

Zinc

Long-chain fatty acids EPA and DHA

Fat-soluble vitamins like A and D

The most recent studies using more sensitive techniques for detecting B12 deficiency have found that up to 77 percent of vegetarians and 92 percent of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to just 11 percent of omnivores.

It’s a common myth among vegetarians and vegans that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like:

Seaweed

Fermented soy

Spirulina

Brewer’s yeast

These plant foods don’t contain B12. They contain B12 analogs, called cobamides, that block the intake of—and increase the need for—true B12. (6) Researchers have identified purple laver nori (seaweed) as a plant source of bioavailable B12; however, it could contain high levels of cadmium and arsenic. (7, 8, 9, 10) More studies are needed, but there is a potentially serious problem with relying on purple laver nori for adequate B12.

This is another case where bioavailability is important; many plant foods that contain zinc also contain phytate, which inhibits zinc absorption. Vegetarian diets tend to reduce zinc absorption by about 35 percent compared with an omnivorous diet. (22) Thus, even when the diet meets or exceeds the RDA for zinc, deficiency may still occur. (23) One study suggested that vegetarians may require up to 50 percent more zinc than omnivores for this reason. (24) A meta-analysis of 34 studies found that both zinc intakes and serum zinc concentrations were lower in vegetarians than non-vegetarians.

The idea that plant foods contain vitamin A is a common misconception. Plants contain beta-carotene, the precursor to active vitamin A (retinol). While beta-carotene is converted into vitamin A in humans, the conversion is inefficient. (40, 41) For example, a single serving of liver per week would meet the RDA of 3,000 IU. To get the same amount from plant foods, you’d have to eat two cups of carrots, one cup of sweet potatoes, or two cups of kale every day.

Moreover, traditional cultures consumed up to 10 times the current RDA for vitamin A. It would be nearly impossible to get this amount of vitamin A from plant foods without juicing or taking supplements. And if supplements aren’t consumed with a fatty meal, the actual absorption will be low.

Taurine has a central role as a neurotransmitter, promotes the development of the central nervous system, and upholds the structure of cell membranes. Although the body can synthesize small amounts of taurine, vegetarians and vegans often still have low plasma and urinary taurine levels because taurine is found primarily in animal products. (48, 49) Low plasma taurine in newborns is associated with lower scores on mental development and arithmetic tests at age seven, suggesting that dietary taurine aids in neural development.

Wait, Mrs. Ellen, wasn't meat supposed to blur my intellect?

Studies have shown that kids raised until age six on a vegan diet are still B12 deficient years after adding at least some animal products to their diet. One study found an association between B12 status and measures of intelligence and memory, with formerly vegan kids scoring lower than omnivorous kids. (81) Devastating case studies have reported B12 deficiency in young vegan children that have led to neurological damage and developmental delays. (82, 83)

Oh no, Mrs. Ellen, not only YOUR DIET is bad for intellect, it is making kids stumble!

Vitamin A Retinol (animal form) vs Beta Carotene (plant form). The body cannot convert adequate amounts of beta carotene to the form you need, retinol. The conversion rate is approximately 28:1 for green leafy vegetables. Genetic polymorphisms reduce this conversion rate even further.

Vitamin D3 (animal form) vs Vitamin D2 (plant form): Vitamin D3 is the animal form and is more bioavailable. Cholesterol is necessary for optimal Vitamin D3 levels, which the vegan diet is deficient in

Heme iron (animal form) vs iron (plant form).

Vitamin K2 (animal form) vs Vitamin K1 (plant form). K2 is one of the most important vitamins. Weston Price called it activator X because of its remarkable ability to cure nutrient deficiencies and degenerative disease. It is not present in the form of MK-4 in plant based diets. You can convert k1 to k2, but you need fat to optimize the conversion process . Once again, vegans tend to eat less fat.

Protein: Plants are high in protein, but they tend to be less absorbable (discussed further below). Additionally, plants like soy have protease and trypsin inhibitors that block absorption .

DHA vs ALA: DHA is necessary for cognitive function inflammation control, and brain development. Plant based diets contain ALA, but conversion to DHA is negligible. Diets high in omega 6 also cut DHA absorption in close to half. Flaxseed, for instance, doesn’t raise blood DHA levels

To make matters worse, plants contain anti-nutrients that inhibit mineral absorption. Oxalates, for instance, bind to calcium, iron and magnesium. Phytic acid binds to iron, zinc, manganese and copper. This is a big reason why so many vegans are iron deficient .

Other vegetables have phytochemical that damage organ function, like goitrogens.

Animal foods are the most nutritious foods in the world.

Most animal proteins are complete, meaning they contain all nine essential amino acids. Whereas eating a variety of vegetables is necessary to get all amino acids.

Even so, many have antinutrients that reduce their absorption. Soy, which is often used by vegans as a protein alternative, contains trypsin inhibitors that interfere with protein absorption. Soy protein is an oxymoron.

Just because it has protein, doesn’t mean you absorb it.

Additionally, some amino acids are more anabolic than others.

The BCAAs are the most potent activates of mTOR and IGF, which stimulate muscle growth. Animals have more of all three branch chain amino acids — leucine, isoleucine and value — than plants. Animals have more of the sulfur containing amino acids cysteine and methionine.

Because of all these factors, this study confirmed that subjects on an animal based diet gained more muscle than those on a plant based diet .

If you want to maximize muscle gain, you need animal protein.

Humans are able to survive off of animal products alone. The same cannot be said about plants or carbohydrates.

A properly constructed carnivore diet, consisting of beef steak, beef liver and eggs is 100% nutrient sufficient.

Animal products have more of every single nutrient other than Vitamin C. But because of glucose ascorbate antagonism, even if you’re consuming less vitamin C on a carnivore diet, you’re likely absorbing more.

Our beloved vegetables — the foods that we hated so much as a child, but our parents forced us to eat because they were “healthy” — are actually TOXIC.

Almost every vegetable has a toxin in it that can be irritating. The table below summarizes some of the toxins that you can find in plants.

There is not a single trial that backs it up.

Check the graph below: it shows that reducing fiber actually reduces issues. This isn’t an error – on the right side of the graph, you can see that there is zero occurence of digestive issues when fiber is removed.

In an arms race over millions of years of co-evolution with animals, plants developed toxins to fend off predators. Goitrogens are one mechanism.

All goitrogens are derived from naturally occurring plant pesticides called glucosinolates.

These goitrogenic chemicals are even too toxic for the plant to store. So they store them in an inactive glucosinolate form. But when the plant is cut, chewed or digested, BOOM, it combines with the myronase enzyme. A nuclear bomb of plant pesticides explodes, turning your gut into a wasteland.

Soy has the most compelling goitrogenic evidence and is one of the most detrimental aspects of the vegan diet.

The damage starts from day 1 out of the womb. Studies show that babies who consume soy based formulas have increased risk for autoimmune disorders .

Two flavonoids found in soy products, genistein and daidzein, inhibit TPO function . A study in 1991 showed that 50% of subjects eating 30g of soy beans every day for 3 months developed hypothyroid symptoms .

And if you already have thyroid issues, soy is one of the worst things you can eat. A study of 60 patients with borderline hypothyroidism were 3x more likely to develop clinical hypothyroidism when consuming 16mg of soy isoflavones (typical amount in a vegetarian’s diet)

One of the biggest problems is that cooking does not destroy the goitrogenic activity of soy isoflavones.

Dr. Georgia Ede looked at all 726 studies regarding vegetables on PubMed and none have shown conclusively positive benefits on health , independent of other lifestyle and carbohydrate factors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289646/

Consuming plants for their presumed health benefits has occurred since early civilizations. Phytochemicals are found in various plants that are frequently included in the human diet and are generally thought to be safe for consumption because they are produced naturally. However, this is not always the case and in fact many natural compounds found in several commonly consumed plants are potential carcinogens or tumor promoters and should be avoided.

MYTH OF MEAT GIVING ESTROGEN:

https://www.drberg.com/blog/can-meat-spike-my-estrogen-levels

Understanding Estrogen in Meat Products

When it comes to estrogen in meat products, there's a lot of confusion and misinformation out there. Let's dive into the specifics of estrogen levels found in beef and other meats to clarify some common misconceptions about their impact on human health.

It's important to understand that all animal products contain some level of naturally occurring hormones, including estrogen. However, the amounts found in meat are generally quite low compared to what our own bodies produce.

Estrogen Levels in Beef vs. Human Production

To put things into perspective, let's compare the natural estrogen production in humans with the amount found in beef. A young boy produces about 100 micrograms of estrogen daily, while one kilogram of beef contains less than 0.02 micrograms of estrogen.

That means a young boy's daily estrogen production is equivalent to the amount found in over 5,000 kg of beef. So, the idea that consuming meat will significantly increase your estrogen levels is simply not supported by the facts.

The Feasibility of Estrogen Intake from Meat

Given the low levels of estrogen in beef, it's practically impossible to consume enough to significantly affect your body's estrogen levels. You'd have to eat an unrealistic amount of meat daily to even come close to impacting your hormonal balance.

Current research findings support this conclusion. Studies have shown that the estrogen content in beef is so minimal that it's unlikely to have any measurable effect on human health, even with regular consumption.

So, while it's true that meat products contain some estrogen, the amounts are negligible compared to what our bodies naturally produce.

Focusing on a proper diet and healthy lifestyle choices is far more important for maintaining optimal hormone levels than worrying about the trace amounts of estrogen in your steak.

MYTH OF NON-DIVERSE GUT MICROBIOME:

https://www.thecarnivoredietcoach.com/news/carnivore-diet-gut-microbiome

"Whether the enterotype that results from the carnivore diet is healthy or not isn’t known yet by science. The long-term studies haven’t yet been done. There is, however, enticing early evidence that suggests that a less diverse gut microbiome could be beneficial for health.

Researchers at the Institue of Agrochemistry and Food Technology in Valencia, Spain, found evidence that the diversity of gut bacteria might negatively affect health. Their study reviewed numerous findings throughout the scientific literature that seem to indicate that gut microbiota changes correlate with mental health issues. The evidence is not conclusive, but cutting out plants could be a possible strategy for those who have mental health conditions. The researchers said that a greater understanding of the mechanisms of gut flora diversity was needed before conducting interventions in human subjects".

MORE STUDIES:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210405113606.htm

// Humans were apex predators for two million years, study finds What did our ancestors eat during the stone age? Mostly meat

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6972589/

// Vegetarian diet and its possible influence on dental health: A systematic literature review

FAT:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36336120/

// Vegetable Oil or Animal Fat Oil, Which is More Conducive to Cardiovascular Health Among the Elderly in China?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0924224425001384

// The impact of dietary fat and fatty acid consumption on human health: A comprehensive review of meta-analyses and the Global Burden of Disease study 2021

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874

// Saturated Fats and Health: A Reassessment and Proposal for Food-Based Recommendations: JACC State-of-the-Art Review

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20071648/

// Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease

https://arxiv.org/abs/2204.00007

// Low-fat diets and testosterone in men: Systematic review and meta-analysis of intervention studies

https://www.nutritionadvance.com/what-is-lard/

MISC:

Things here are things that are not exactly a debate, study or etc, but are good items to add to the argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyYiiZofkjs

// Long Term Vegan Had Osteoporosis and Wasn't Healing After Accident

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx2uT3anZt4

// Sad Vegan Stories (Part 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33voRYsEfTo

// Sad Vegan Stories (Part 2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj6JDO05JPc

// Sad Vegan Stories (Part 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeahceerTq4

// Sad Vegan Stories (Part 4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wmx0lpUNI4

// Why Vegans Aren't Living Longer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HrtQCZRdNQ

// Stubborn Vegans Refuse To Change

In Defense of Meat Eating

In Defense of Meat Eating

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TRIBES THAT ATE SOLELY [OR MOSTLY] MEAT:

MYTH OF MEAT GIVING ESTROGEN:

MYTH OF NON-DIVERSE GUT MICROBIOME:

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