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Note: The Mormon Temple Endowment changed again in Jan 2005. The naked touching discussed below was removed from the ceremony. See Mormon386 Read below what it was like to experience the touching in the initiatory phase of the Mormon temple endowment.
Naked touching in the Mormon Temple. Is it for real?
Note: The Actual Ordinance (words only) for washing and anointing is found here on this thread
Deconstructor's site is accurate.
The first thing you go through when receiving your endowment for the first time is the washing and anointing. You strip naked and are given what is called a "shield" to wear. It's a big white oval of fabric, worn like a poncho, but open at the sides. It is true that you're not 100% naked, but I think that the difference is splitting hairs. (If you don't believe me, run out into the street with nothing one but a blanket over your head and see if they don't try to charge you with indecent exposure.)
The washing and anointing both consist of various parts of the body being touched by the fingertips of the temple worker performing the ordinance. They use a drop of water or oil on their fingertips, hence washing and anointing. They say a sort of prayer for the good health and function of each of the involved body parts. Unlike other priesthood ordinances, men wash and anoint men and women wash and anoint women.
The parts of the body include the head, each ear, the eyes (I think it was across the brow), nose (bridge), lips, neck (nape), shoulders, back, breast (center of chest if I remember right), arms and hands (touch in one motion along length of each arm), vitals and bowels (point on the side, I think), loins, legs and feet (touch in one motion along length of each leg). The loins are supposed to be done by touching the side of the person parallel to their genitals, but more than one man has reported that perverted temple workers directly rubbed down the front of their penises. They seem to try to get away with it more with first-time missionaries who are young and don't know better.
[Incidentally, I may have forgotten one or more parts.]
The ordinance is performed in a cubicle divided in quarters by sheet-like fabric covering the washing and anointing "rooms". Each space is barely large enough for two people. The first section is an anteroom, the second for washing, the third for anointing, the fourth for being clothed in the temple garments (underwear). In the last one, they have you step into a one-piece temple underwear garment.
Tyson
Now I remember that shield. Somehow I had gotten to thinking that I was in my garments during the endowments but you are right.
Why did I block that out? Was I traumatized??
It has been about 25 years since I got my endowments.
After that I only did the movie and secret hand shakes thingy when I would go through the temple. I haven't even done that for maybe 20 years.
Don't think I ever did baptisms for the dead.
For the rest of the ceremony, you *are* fully clothed
After the washing and anointing, you put on white clothes (sometimes a white jumpsuit thing for the guys) and pass through another cubicle where they give you a new name.
After that the endowment part of the ceremony, i.e., the movie (or live play), the signs, the tokens (handshakes), and going through the veil are all done in white clothes, and you add hats/bonnets, robes, sashes, and aprons over the course of the ceremony.
All in all, cultish and bizarre.
Tyson
I have no problem remembering the funny clothes and the tokens and stuff since I did that many times. ......and
And yes it struck me as cultish right away. I told my parents what I thought and made my mother cry. But I was already committed to go to Japan on a mission so I just suppressed my feeling about the temple.
Tyson, it was because of those cubicles divided
by sheet-like fabric that I discovered everyone gets the same new name.
Tyson Dunn wrote:
> The ordinance is performed in a cubicle divided in quarters by sheet-like fabric covering the washing and anointing "rooms".
This is one of the things they DON'T tell you about in the "temple prep" class that you really ought to know about ahead of time.
Maybe they are afraid of scaring people. It shocked me silly!
your bare lower back with their fingers during the anointing after putting you into a loose fitting robe. Then they help you into your garments. It's very creepy, particularly for an initiated 19 year-old like I was.
Think of putting on a white poncho naked
That's what it's like. They call the poncho a "shield" and the sides are open, so it just covers your front and back. While you are wearing this, they "anoint" you with water and olive oil on various spots on your body.
It is extremely creepy
Thanks SD that helps clarify things. However creepy it was I was actually imagining a lot worse.
Worse?!?!? Worse than a 90-yr old man touching me just above my pe**is? n/t
Thanks for the horrid flash back.... now I must find my happy place n/t
HOLY SH*T! No wonder I was in therapy for years!
I'm with you, Saucie!!! "Find a happy place...find a happy place!"
I am definitely copying this so my daughter can read it if she ever decides to go to the temple. Reading this just now seriously made my stomach turn. I CANNOT BELIEVE I bought into this! Actually...I had repressed the memories of the W & A (along with the childhood sex abuse, which is probably why the W & A freaked me out so bad)...and I NEVER did them again! Now I know why!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Psycho satanic cult!
Ya, Empowered save it for your daughter !!!
I'm so embarrassed that I actually gave that little episode in the temple any credence whatsoever. WTF??? The whole
thing is insane !!!!!
Darn it to heck, I thought this thread would be a good one
but now I find out "naked touching" is about the temple. Talk about a drop in hormones. Talk about getting the willies. I had put out of my mind that silly, cultish ceremony. Thanks for bringing it all back for me.
INITIATORY ORDINANCES
(PRELIMINARY TO THE ENDOWMENT)
After showing his Temple Recommend to a worker stationed near the entrance inside the building, the patron repairs to the men�s dressing area, where he is assigned a private locker (dividers and a door ensure privacy). After disrobing he covers himself with a "Shield"�a white poncho-like linen covering with a hole in the top for his head and open sides (held shut while walking). Covered in the Shield, he carries one pair of Temple Garments (one-piece style) to the Washing and Anointing area, and waits on a bench until directed by a temple worker to enter one of the Washing and Anointing booths through a veiled partition. The booths are simply small cubicles made up of suspended lined veils.
When called for, the initiate enters the booth and hands his Garments to a worker who places them on a towel rod. As the initiate stands upright in his Shield the temple worker wets his fingers under s small faucet of running water in the booth, and lightly touches each area of the initiate�s body through the open sides of the Shield.
WASHING
Brother _______, having authority, I wash you preparatory to you receiving your anointings [for and in behalf of _______ (patron and then temple worker read name of deceased), who is dead], that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation. I wash your head, that your brain and your intellect may be clear and active; your ears, that you may hear the word of the Lord; your eyes, that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error; your nose, that you may smell; your lips, that you may never speak guile; your neck, that it may bear up your head properly; your shoulders, that they may bear the burdens that shall be placed thereon; your back, that there may be marrow in the bones and in the spine; your breast, that it may be the receptacle of pure and virtuous principles; your vitals and bowels, that they may be healthy and strong and perform their proper functions; your arms and hands, that they may be strong and wield the sword of justice in defense of truth and virtue; your loins, that you may be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, that you might have joy and rejoicing in your posterity; your legs and feet, that you might run and not be weary, and walk and not faint.
(Females undergo a similar ritual, attended to by females, which includes the following, "Sister _______, having authority, I wash you preparatory to your receiving your anointings [for and in behalf of _______, who is dead], and whereas you have obeyed the principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ with a true and honest heart, and have been faithful in keeping your covenants, your sins are forgiven and you are clean every whit. I wash your head that your brain and your intellect may be clear and active in discerning between truth and error, and that you may be filled with the spirit of the Lord..." etc.)
Two temple workers then place their hands upon the patron�s head and one of them recites the Confirmation of the Washing.
CONFIRMATION OF THE WASHING
Brother _______, having authority, we lay our hands upon your head [for and in behalf of _______(patron and then temple worker read name of deceased), who is dead], and seal upon you this washing, that you may become clean from the blood and sins of this generation through your faithfulness, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
The patron then steps through a veiled partition into another part of the booth where he sits upon a chair. He is anointed with scented olive oil from a glass anointing horn. During the anointing, the body parts are lightly touched as they are mentioned, as was done in the washing.
ANOINTING
Brother _______, having authority, I pour this holy anointing oil upon your head [for and in behalf of _______ (patron and then temple worker read name of deceased), who is dead], and anoint you preparatory to your becoming a King and a Priest unto the Most High God, hereafter to rule and reign in the House of Israel forever. I anoint your head, that your brain and your intellect may be clear and active; your ears, that you may hear the word of the Lord; your eyes, that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error; your nose, that you may smell; your lips, that you may never speak guile; your neck, that it may bear up your head properly; your shoulders, that they may bear the burdens that shall be placed thereon; your back, that there may be marrow in the bones and in the spine; your breast, that it may be the receptacle of pure and virtuous principles; your vitals and bowels, that they may be healthy and strong and perform their proper functions; your arms and hands, that they may be strong and wield the sword of justice in defense of truth and virtue; your loins, that you may be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth, that you might have joy and rejoicing in your posterity; your legs and feet, that you might run and not be weary, and walk and not faint.
The Anointing is then confirmed, as was the Washing, by the two temple workers.
CONFIRMATION OF THE ANOINTING
Brother _______, having authority, we lay our hands upon your head [for and in behalf of _______ (patron and then temple worker read name of deceased), who is dead], and confirm upon you this anointing, wherewith you have been anointed in the temple of our God, preparatory to becoming a King and a Priest unto the Most High God, hereafter to rule and reign in the House of Israel forever, and seal upon you all the blessings hereunto appertaining, through your faithfulness, in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
The patron now steps through a third veiled partition into another section of the booth. A temple worker takes the Garments off the towel rod and holds them open wide at the neck, for the patron to step into (right leg, left leg). It is then pulled up the sides of his body and he slips his right arm and left arms through the sleeves.
I guess this part worked when it was done to me.....
"your eyes, that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error"
Maybe that's why I'm an exmo. I wonder if the temple workers know they are helping to create exmos?
All this is really a big bunch of crapola...except, as you say, ...that your brain and your intellect may be clear and active;...your eyes, that you may see clearly and discern between truth and error.... and these are the 2 things that make the members understand the truth or lack of truth in this diabolical temple and Mormon Church. The world's great LIE, FRAUD!
Are menstruating women allowed into the Temple wearing pads or tampons under their shields, or are they considered "unclean" and forced to remain in the red tent?
I was 14, and doing baptisms. I was on a youth temple trip and the YW were told that we should not participate if we were menstruating. I carried this w/ me into adulthood, until another sister (a convert, and more vocal and liberal) told me that it was fine to participate while on your period. I don't know what the official position is, and if the temple workers were speaking as the Lord's representatives or as women...
I've heard this before and it's still shocking to me that people would actually allow this, and not press charges.
I'm so glad I figured out it was all a scam before I had to do that. There is no way I could have stripped down and allowed them to touch me like that. I have a huge personal space bubble. I would have bolted for the door. Creeps me out just thinking about it. The only one I want to get naked touchy feely with is with a cute live-in girlfriend.. Not some old dude with roaming fingers and vegetable oil. That's just not right. They make all the adult members do this or they can't get into 'heaven'?
Naked Touching II: Old Men Gone Wild
The thread on "naked touching" in the temple reminded me of something I had completely forgotten. Tyson Dunn's excellent explanation of the initiatory ordinance triggered my memory:
While reading Dunn's post, I recalled an incident that occurred to one of the missionaries in the MTC in the Provo temple.
One morning the guys in my room all went to the Provo temple to do temple work. At the last minute, we decided to do initiatories instead of doing an endowment session.
Big mistake.
Instead of taking in an endowment session where we'd get to sit across the room from a bunch of veiled women, we spent two hours almost naked getting touched by old men.
And it gets worse!
It's weird enough going through the intiatory ordinance ONCE for your own endowment. But doing a two-hour initiatory session for the dead is borderline traumatic, especially for four young missionaries.
I got through it without much touching, despite going around and around from little cubicle to little cubicle with my little poncho-think constantly flapping open.
But when we completed the session, one of the Elders with us came out of there completely white. He had this shocked look on his face as if something bad had happened to him. He refused to tell us what was wrong and stayed very quiet the rest of the day.
A few days later he told me what happened. He said every time he went through the initiatory, one of the old men stroked his private parts with the oil. Strange, since this didn't happen to any of the rest of us, just him. He said he was so shocked and scared and he was in the temple, that he didn't know what to do. So he just let the old man keep doing it.
Maybe he was making it up, but he sure looked shook up. I've never heard anyone else have this experience in the temple, but there's no way any of us would have ever done an initiatory session again.
Just close your eyes, pretend ..... [more inside]
I still remember vividly the words he spoke to me (whispering to me tenderly that I was his first):
"Health in the navel;
Marrow in the bones;
Strength in the loins and in the sinews
Power in the Priesthood Be Upon Your Posterity..."
The initiatory ordinance needs to be described in exquisite detail in the pre-baptism missionary discussion:
"You must now pay us 10% of your income for the rest of your life, so that you can buy admission into the temple for the privilege of getting naked and having an old geezer touch your private parts with oil.
"See, it doesn't matter how moral you are, how completely virtuous you may be in word, thought, and deed, if you don't receive the holy Naked-Touching in the temple, as well as secret handshakes and passwords. No, these rituals override your personal worthiness, your character, your deeds.
"Paying us lots of money for a recommend so that you can obtain the sacred Naked-Touching is the ONLY way God will let you see him again. Swearing an oath to allow yourself to be gruesomely executed, while pantomiming your own gruesome death is the highest degree of the gospel taught by Jesus.
"John wasn't fully forthcoming when he said 'God is Love': God isn't just Love; God is Secret Passwords and Handshakes! The Gospel of Jesus Christ is that all mankind can return to live with God if they pay for the privilege of getting Naked-Touching!"
Somehow, I'm betting that most converts are not taught this "fullness" of the gospel.......
There ought to be a full-disclosure lawsuit in here somewhere for not being informed that your participation in the secret ritual would require you to submit to sexual harassment.
In the scientific research world, this kind of abuse would get slaughtered by an Institutional Review Board on the grounds of violation of standard requirements for Protection of Human Subjects.
Did any of you sign a waiver, or notice of full prior disclosure prior to attending your initiatory ordinance, explaining that you were advised you would have to get naked, and then AFTER you were already naked (and therefore, feeling entirely vulnerable), have a stranger touch your groin?
I know I didn't.
To the contrary: they promised me there was no nakedness
Nor was it ever mentioned in Temple Prep classes.
Just another Mormon misnomer: Temple _Prep_ that doesn't QUITE prepare you for the violation of personal boundaries that will occur.
In fact, I was so unprepared for the temple that I took brand new white silk undies with me. The shivers hit when my "companion" (a new RM sis) said, "Oh, you aren't gonna need those - ever again". What the....??????
The Mormon Church has screwed it up again!!!
My cursory reading of the gospel tells me that our exemplar and Lord, Jesus the Christ, was not washed and anointed by some 'ol geezer in the Temple of Jerusalem, but instead had his washing and anointing performed by Mary the Magdalene, the apostle he was said to have loved more than the others and the one he is said to have kissed on the lips.
If the Mormon Church really wants to restore Jesus' Church, they need to require that initiates bring their beloveds into those little cubicles to perform the washings and anointings
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