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The best way to make a living is to do the jobs nobody else wants but that somebody needs someone else to do.
I've told this story before, but it always impressed me. My now-ex-husband was trying to be in business for himself doing windows and other home improvements. He had the talent but not the business head for it, but he did keep it going for a couple of years.
He was replacing windows at a large house in an affluent town in our county. He came home talking about how nice the big house was, sitting on two acres, three-car garage with a snow-melt system under the driveway and so forth. He said the homeowner seemed really interested in the work he was doing and would come home and watch him cut wood with his miter box and ask him questions about why he did such and such. Nice guy, the ex said.
But he also noticed that this guy came home from work in jeans, a flannel shirt, and work boots. So one day he felt comfortable enough to ask him, "Hey, you dress just like me, yet you have this big house and yard and all these fancy things and you're paying me big bucks to install some expensive windows. Do you mind if I ask what you do for a living?"
The guy said, "I kill rats. I have contracts with a lot of the warehouses at the docks (this is New Jersey, which has some of the busiest container-ship ports in the country). Rats come in with the ships all the time, and there are food products and spices in those warehouses that the rats go after. People will pay a lot of money to have someone kill rats and protect their goods. I kill them, and I dispose of them, and I make money doing it."
I suppose the nastiness of the work is alleviated by the nice living one can do on the proceeds.
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I wonder how many of the people going on about "go to college" had the disproportionately large student debt load current graduates have in relation to their salaries. My guess is not many. Also my guess that there's an overlap with the same people who think minimum wage should be enough because it was enough for them in 1972.
Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
The best way to make a living is to do the jobs nobody else wants but that somebody needs someone else to do.
I've told this story before, but it always impressed me. My now-ex-husband was trying to be in business for himself doing windows and other home improvements. He had the talent but not the business head for it, but he did keep it going for a couple of years.
He was replacing windows at a large house in an affluent town in our county. He came home talking about how nice the big house was, sitting on two acres, three-car garage with a snow-melt system under the driveway and so forth. He said the homeowner seemed really interested in the work he was doing and would come home and watch him cut wood with his miter box and ask him questions about why he did such and such. Nice guy, the ex said.
But he also noticed that this guy came home from work in jeans, a flannel shirt, and work boots. So one day he felt comfortable enough to ask him, "Hey, you dress just like me, yet you have this big house and yard and all these fancy things and you're paying me big bucks to install some expensive windows. Do you mind if I ask what you do for a living?"
The guy said, "I kill rats. I have contracts with a lot of the warehouses at the docks (this is New Jersey, which has some of the busiest container-ship ports in the country). Rats come in with the ships all the time, and there are food products and spices in those warehouses that the rats go after. People will pay a lot of money to have someone kill rats and protect their goods. I kill them, and I dispose of them, and I make money doing it."
I suppose the nastiness of the work is alleviated by the nice living one can do on the proceeds.
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I wonder how many of the people going on about "go to college" had the disproportionately large student debt load current graduates have in relation to their salaries. My guess is not many. Also my guess that there's an overlap with the same people who think minimum wage should be enough because it was enough for them in 1972.
Originally Posted by Serious Conversation
They didn't.
I'm 36. I graduated in 2010 with somewhere between $9k-$10k of debt. Even that was a lot as I only had under <$45k year until 2014.
I've had a wild ride financially. I had a very low income for a long time, with a regular income, then a fairly rapid increase income from mid $70k to $100k. My income is down a bit now, but so is my blood pressure - dropped 20 points both ways since I had it last taken in October. I've lost about ten pounds, and slowed my drinking down, but stress is far, far lower.
My net worth is probably $15k-$20k lower than it was in the early fall. My car is now paid for. I've had some legal bills. Paid off back taxes. I owe nothing other than my house. I'm a little more relaxed and have less stress.
I don't have the spending power that I used to have, but I don't have the bills, either.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
The best way to make a living is to do the jobs nobody else wants but that somebody needs someone else to do.
I've told this story before, but it always impressed me. My now-ex-husband was trying to be in business for himself doing windows and other home improvements. He had the talent but not the business head for it, but he did keep it going for a couple of years.
He was replacing windows at a large house in an affluent town in our county. He came home talking about how nice the big house was, sitting on two acres, three-car garage with a snow-melt system under the driveway and so forth. He said the homeowner seemed really interested in the work he was doing and would come home and watch him cut wood with his miter box and ask him questions about why he did such and such. Nice guy, the ex said.
But he also noticed that this guy came home from work in jeans, a flannel shirt, and work boots. So one day he felt comfortable enough to ask him, "Hey, you dress just like me, yet you have this big house and yard and all these fancy things and you're paying me big bucks to install some expensive windows. Do you mind if I ask what you do for a living?"
The guy said, "I kill rats. I have contracts with a lot of the warehouses at the docks (this is New Jersey, which has some of the busiest container-ship ports in the country). Rats come in with the ships all the time, and there are food products and spices in those warehouses that the rats go after. People will pay a lot of money to have someone kill rats and protect their goods. I kill them, and I dispose of them, and I make money doing it."
I suppose the nastiness of the work is alleviated by the nice living one can do on the proceeds.
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I whole heartedly disagree. If nobody else wants that job, why would you think it's the best way to make money? I think the best way to make money is to not work a job at all and let your money work for you. People who can successfully maintain a real estate portfolio or people who own a business that aren't involved in the day to day are what I consider to be the best jobs.
I know people who are exterminators of sorts and they kill rats or any other bug/animal you need killed and they don't earn enough to own a massive house, etc. I guess your husbands client started and owns his own business to do the work, and THATS the best way to make money.
I whole heartedly disagree. If nobody else wants that job, why would you think it's the best way to make money?
I think the best way to make money is to not work a job at all and let your money work for you.
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Education is still important IMO. I got my MBA paid for about 95% by utilizing tuition reimbursement at my then-employer. Worked full time, went to classes part-time at night and occasional weekends. No debt accrued, and I could later compete for positions that required advanced educational credentials in my field. It was worth it.
Originally Posted by TamaraSavannah
It rather depends on the job. Probably no one thinks that writing the interface code for a printer is glamorous but if you can do it and do it well, you will always have a job......at least, that's what my Prof said in the 90s. I don't know where that stands now, USB and all.
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Bingo^^^^^^^ Work ethic and drive will make someone more successful than a college degree.
The traditional path of an employee is probably the best for most people born without social or financial capital from their parents. It's a relatively safe path when there is little margin for error.
If you do have a margin for error, like a trust fund or connections, then you can take career risks for a potentially big payoff.
Tertiary education and trades are both viable routes. It all depends on what you want to do.
If you want to work in science, medicine, education, etc, well.... you'll need a degree.
But college is worth it if you pick something in demand, and go to an affordable school.
Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer
The problem is that a scary percentage of teens in America don't have the ability or work ethic t o get good grades in high school.
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MOST people don't need - I would even argue NO ONE needs - a four-year college, a.k.a. a liberal arts education. EVERYONE needs work training, whether that be on-the-job, apprenticeship, vocational or trade school, a diploma or associate's program/certification, OR -- in the case of the professions -- college as a foundation for graduate/medical/dental/law school (in other words, work training).
And yet, almost without exception, EVERYONE of college age is funneled into college.
Many even admit it's useless but view it as an "experience." It was that way when I was of age, and I resented the assumption that I would just mindlessly shuffle off to college having no one idea what I wanted to do with my life, so I rebelled and took a year off, in which I worked, which incentivized me to go to college where (at that time) it at least guaranteed you a decent government job, if nothing else. Today, with EVERYONE going and standards sufficiently lowered to ensure EVERYONE can go, it's really meaningless.
It's nothing more than a money-grab. Wake up, people.
P.S. When did "calling in" sick to work become "calling off"???
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Bingo^^^^^^^ Work ethic and drive will make someone more successful than a college degree.
Yep. I'm adamant on the position that way too many people waste their time in college when they should be going to a trade school. College is just not for everyone. Trade schools are often the way to go for many.
You go to college and get some crap liberal arts degree like Philosophy or Art History and what are you going to do with that? Not saying it isn't useful for some but it's not like employers are banging down the doors looking for people in those fields. Sorry for all those who do have these degrees; just a few of you are actually doing something related to that (and doing well in it).
Now all these Philosophers and Art Historians are going to be coming out of the woodwork defending their degrees (I did say there were some of you out there where this worked out for you, okay?).
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........P.S. When did "calling in" sick to work become "calling off"???
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I actually heard "calling in" versus "calling off" discussed on one my favorite public radio shows, "A Way with Words." Apparently, it's a new thing among phone-addicted young people, as is the rampant misuse of prepositions. "Bored of" versus "bored with"; "charged for" versus "charged with." Etc. I chalk it up to no one reading actual books anymore...
There are few practical, useful bachelor's degrees, but not many. Again, if they prepare you to perform a real job, that would be job training. Whatever your level of education -- from GED to Ph.D. -- that should always be the goal.
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I actually heard "calling in" versus "calling off" discussed on one my favorite public radio shows, "A Way with Words." Apparently, it's a new thing among phone-addicted young people, as is the rampant misuse of prepositions. "Bored of" versus "bored with"; "charged for" versus "charged with." Etc. I chalk it up to no one reading actual books anymore...
There are few practical, useful bachelor's degrees, but not many. Again, if they prepare you to perform a real job, that would be job training. Whatever your level of education -- from GED to Ph.D. -- that should always be the goal.
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You go to college and get some crap liberal arts degree like Philosophy or Art History and what are you going to do with that? Not saying it isn't useful for some but it's not like employers are banging down the doors looking for people in those fields. Sorry for all those who do have these degrees; just a few of you are actually doing something related to that (and doing well in it).
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The Spousal Unit is on a workforce development committee in a deep red area. Local employers here are actually starting to like those kinds of college degrees because they require the development of some level of critical thinking skills to complete and employers here are struggling to find employees who can think independently to solve problems and handle customer service issues without a whole bunch of hand-holding on the part of management.
Are you going to get ‘philosophy’ job out of college? Not unless you sign up for the grad school route and a lot more pain. But it lays the groundwork for a decent-paying career in project management and such.
I think it's safe to say modern universities no longer teach "critical thinking skills."
Once upon a time, yes; now...laughable!
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