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Fisting is a sexual activity. The fister puts his or her hand into the vagina or rectum. The fingers are then clenched into a fist or kept straight. Fisting may be done with or without a partner.
Fistees is another form of fisting. It is for the more experienced. It may take two fists. This is called double fisting. Double fisting pleasure depends more on stretching of the anus or vagina rather than thrusting with an in-and-out movement of the hands.[1]
Fisting can cause lacerations to the vagina, perineum, rectum, and/or colon. This may result in serious injury.[2] These lacerations may even lead to death.[3][4][5][6] Sexual activities that cause air to enter the vagina can lead to a fatal air clot. The risk is probably even higher during pregnancy.[7]
Fisting can cause cutting or tearing or of the vagina, perineum, rectum, and/or colon, resulting in serious injury[2] and even death.[3][4][5][6] In general, sexual activities that cause air to enter the vagina can lead to a fatal air clot, and the risk is probably even higher during pregnancy.[7]
Anal fisting carries risks of colorectal tearing; people doing it should use latex gloves and lubricant, and have a safeword, which they can say when they want it to stop immediately. The practice, along with the insertion of hard objects into the anus or the vagina has been significantly related to the traumatization of the vaginal or rectal mucosa in increasing the likelihood of infection, including Hepatitis B virus.[8]
↑ Herrman 1991, p. 58
↑ 2.0 2.1 Cohen, C.E., Giles, A., Nelson, M. Sexual trauma associated with fisting and recreational drugs. Sex Transm Infect 2004; 80:469–70.
↑ 3.0 3.1 Preuss, J. Death after anal "fisting". Arch Kriminol 2008; 221:28–35.
↑ 4.0 4.1 Torre, C. Delayed death from fisting. Am J Forens Med Pathol 1987; 8:91.
↑ 5.0 5.1 Fain, D.B.; McCormick, G.M. Vaginal "fisting" as a cause of death Am J Forens Med Pathol 1989; 10:73–5.
↑ 6.0 6.1 Reay, D., Eisele, J. Sexual abuse and death of an elderly lady by "fisting". Am J Forens Med Pathol 1983; 4:347–9.
↑ 7.0 7.1 Kaiser, R.T.Air embolism death of a pregnant woman secondary to orogenital sex. Acad Emerg Med 1994; 1:555–8.
↑ "AIDS and behavior: an integrated approach", Judith Auerbach. National Academies Press, 1994. ISBN 0-309-05093-6, ISBN 978-0-309-05093-7. p. 49
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Isn't it time we removed filth like this from the internet? Also a fictional act such as the one described herein is hardly "encyclopedic". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.111.63.147 (talk) 11:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
You forgot to point out the Obvious. This person did a search to wind up on this page in the first place and apparently is interested in learning more about this "filth". I do have an issue with the page though, there is no section on the safeness of the act. Is there any risk of anal muscle injury to the fistee? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.116.149.212 (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I am glad people can come to wiki to learn about these things. until today i didn't even know fisting existed. i would never do it though 65.183.212.114 (talk) 01:10, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
The real-life images on this page are too obscene for Wikipedia. They should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.10.61.128 (talk) 13:38, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
The request above for a section on the risks of this act is very reasonable. I shall initiate such a section. Warren Zhang (talk) 03:20, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
Point under risks referenced by 8 is only valid if injury occurs. Air in itself is never a problem.. or tampons or normal sexual intercourse would already pose risks. The statement as made based on the reference is incorrect and unverifiable. Please adjust. Anon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.46.202.80 (talk) 13:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I deleted the first picture of Michaelangelo's Last Judgement because it is a wrong interpratation of the fresco in the church. As you can see in the original image (at the bottom on the right) that hand is not inside the uppper body.
Original photo of the fresco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lastjudgement.jpg (Hi-Res) Please see original image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.64.82.208 (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Know what, the original provided here does not illustrate what the article is illustrating. If a corruption is needed to illustrate it then obviously it cannot be attributed to the original source. But why does there need to be any illustartion at all? The article is illustrative enough and it doesn't require much imagination to see a hand inserted into an anus or vagina. Using no censorship to include a vulgar image isn't reason enough if it doesn't add to the article's usefulness. Even if these conditions are satisfied there is still an issue with copyright. Public domain only applies to the original work so if someone makes substantial changes to a derivitive it may be regarded as their own ip without affecting the status of the original. Biofase flame| stalk 22:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
--Dak (talk) 18:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
re 1: as i said, if you check the wp article on the picture, you'll find that it depicts the act of sodomy, not the punishment for sodomy (seriously, the punishment for sodomy isn't going to be more sodomy, is it?). it's fair to assume, then, that the act depicts consensual sodomy, tho, according to you (and i'd agree), "any reference to what Michelangelo intended is completely moot". It appears to be fisting. ergo, it is. claims as to consent or otherwize IN REGUARDS TO A PAINTING are somewhat irrelevent, barring it clearly being one or the other (which it isn't). it just depicts sodomy (neither clearly rape, nor clearly consensual); Michaelangelo probably intended it to be consensual, as he's depicting kinky perversions in that part of the painting (not punishments).
re2: It is not modified (other than the colour drained), tho i do agree on closer inspection that the fist is not in the anus (in either the original or the image in the article... looking closely, you can see the curled fingers in both images). however, it does look like it is attempted, mid, or pre-fisting (or possibly anal fingering), and at a glance the fingers aren't notisable so it just looks like fisting).
re4: ok, then here's my suggestion:
An alternative, as the image is in the public domain, is that one of us could modify it to appear more like fisting, release our modifications into the public domain, declair that our derived work depicts consensual sodomy, upload it as 'sodomy (modified from public-domain work by Michaelangelo)', and use that for the article?
--Dak (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
If the Sixtine Chapel has an image of a guy putting a fist up some other's guy ass, then I would expect that some source would comment on this fact. Either a sexuality book explaining the sexual ideas at that time or the history of fisting, or a religious book explaining what sort of punishment it was and why it was depicted like that, or even a popular culture book listing curiosities in art. The pictures on the chapel have been very studied, so there should be some source talking about that one. Then, we can use their assesment of the significance of the picture. Without any source, and with so many doubts about the actual action, I wouldn't use that picture at all. --Enric Naval (talk) 21:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
We will never know if the apparent act is intended. Mich was a practicing gay and is well know for leaving various symbolic messages in his works. 1. The original position of David has his finger pointing in an accusative way at Rome. 2. Creation of Adam shows an outline of the human brain dissected. The message is that God is entirely in mans' mind. 3. Fisting. Perhaps a private joke. One thing completely absent from Mich's work are Cherubs. We can be sure that he wasn't a child molester.220.244.84.234 (talk) 03:03, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Why is there a Citation Needed tag for: "Fisting has been performed on (and by) both men and women; gay, straight and otherwise."
This is pretty much common knowledge. Ever hear of the Romans? pjh3000 (talk) 20:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Some fistees also enjoy deeper penetration, in which the hand or hands are inserted into the sigmoid colon and large intestine, with the most experienced sometimes being able to accommodate the arm or arms all the way up to the shoulder. This statement is probably the most ridiculously dubious I have ever come across in this type of article. We're talking about human beings here, not ruminants. There is no fricking way you can insert a human arm up to the shoulder up another human's arsehole (without killing them). I tend to think that this was put in as a hoax - can anyone actually cite this, or it's going to get the chop! — JulesVerne (talk) 16:48, 07 December 2009 (GMT)
In a sigmoidoscopy, the rigid “sigmoidoscope is advanced, usually as far up as the sigmoid colon or descending colon.” (“Sigmoidoscopy,” Encylopedia. MedlinePlus. (Retrieved 2009-12-09.))
Also, remember that the entire large intestine — from the cecum to the anus — is flexible; it is not rigid. The poor medical intern tasked with performing a digital disimpaction may, on rare occasion — in an examination under anesthetic — have to insert himself/herself as far as the sigmoid colon. — SpikeToronto 20:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I'm curious as to why a couple of entries - fisting and creampie(sex act) - have a request for photographs associated to the article in the discussion tab.
Yet from what I saw in the creampie - there is an ongoing battle/argument over having photographs. When photos are uploaded they're deleted.
Why have this "request for photographs" on entries about explicit sexual acts?
Rayngrant (talk) 22:27, 18 March 2009 (UTC)Ray Grant
In Italian culture, the current third picture is the "fig" sign, and considered incredibly obscene. It is referenced in Dante's Inferno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.202 (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
The drama that ensues with depictions of extreme sex acts is usually well over the top, but most come from the batshit insane OMGCENSOREVERYTHING angle. I, whilst not being pro-censorship in any way, am against depictions of hardcore acts that would generally recieve an above R18+ rating purely because I know for a fact that thousands of schools across the world will be spoiled sports, and god knows when the nazi.. uh, I mean government in Australia brings in the filter we can kiss Wikipedia goodbye. If the photo even ADDS to understanding beyond what the text does, even just BARELY, I'd totally err on the side of inclusion. But in this instance, the article is very well written and descriptive and the photograph in question adds absolutely nothing beyond controversy and dramu generation by trolls. Ironically it seems to be trolls trolling trolls, as trolls want the porn, and trolls baww about wanting it down. 124.179.19.254 (talk) 11:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
What exactly does this have to do with WikiProject LGBT studies? Associating fisting specifically with that is kind of offensive. Anal sex I can see, but fisting? That seems to cross a line. Unless there are studies to back up the idea that gays and/or lesbians are the predominant practitioners, it's a blind and somewhat prejudiced assumption. --Mattbrown04 (talk) 02:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
are editors using a still-animated pic for illustrations of this sexual act? Is it that bad of a taboo that it cannot be shown graphically? I thought Wikipedia was uncensored. LaRouxEMP (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Needs work. TyrS  chatties 02:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Currently the focus is almost exclusively on women doing vaginal fisting, with an extensive list of porn actresses and no mention or illustration of men self-fisting or getting fisted. Please do not remove the Unbalanced box without discussion here. TyrS  chatties 02:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I do agree, TyrS, that you have hit upon something that this article lacks and that is the male-as-fistee perspective. If you have a yen to see it added, why not write up such a section? It would certainly lend greater breadth to the article. (But, can you imagine the edit war that would ensue if there were any such images added to article?! Sheesh!) — SpikeToronto 06:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
Please add Aria Giovanni to section "People noted to have engaged in fisting". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.112.249.25 (talk) 07:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm doing a (non-admin) closure of this because the outcome is very clear from Wikipedia policy, despite emotions running high for some parties on both sides of the debate (and because I had time to kill, not wanting to be out and about on a night full of drunk drivers). I'm closing it a couple of days early, because the discussion entirely died out over a week ago, and even if it had not, the only way the outcome would be different is if policy radically changed suddenly and radically. Furthermore, an alternative image was proposed, making the debate borderline moot, and pointlessly delaying likely replacement of the image that no one really likes.
While the arguments for just removing the image are not generally unreasoned, and claims that removal=homophobia are unreasonable, the arguments in favor of inclusion are stronger and clearly reflect Wikipedia norms much better. I will go over every identifiable argument and explain how it factored. That the arguments to remove the image are all over the map, sometimes contradictory, and over the course of the debate sometimes abandoned is all highly significant. I've detailed all the clearly articulated debate points, even the trivial ones, and their applicability because I think this RFC may have good value as something to look back on for this article's progress and that of others when image flamewars pop up. PS: This closure is modeled on that of Talk:Gokkun#RFC on Image Inclusion, by Magog the Ogre (talk · contribs). Reading it, BTW, is actually of strong relevance to further discussion about using artistic interpretations instead of photographs especially in articles about sexuality topics.
Consensus of involved editors is against adding the image, and only one editor wants to keep adding it. (False and moot: Self-evidently not the case when broader attention is brought to bear, or the debate would have been very one-sided. Also not the only time debates of this sort have appeared here. Furthermore, the point of an RfC is to get noninvolved editor opinion. This RfC is a classic example of why WP:SNOWBALL is not policy and should not be cited early in a discussion.)
It is illogical that the article needs to be illustrated with a photograph of someone being fisted. (No consensus: Others strongly disagree, with multiple rationales based in policy, guidelines, precedent in similar articles, etc. Some would prefer a non-photographic replacement.)
A photographic fisting image will be too offensive to too many people. A.k.a. "It's disgusting! Deviant! Immoral!" (Policy against: WP:NOTCENSORED exists specifically to counter this very rationale. See also WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The problem is that many people are simply offended by the concept of fisting, depicted or not, and/or by visual depictions of sexuality at all even when not offended by text, and we cannot cater to either of these subsets of readers without harming the encyclopedic value of Wikipedia for everyone.)
Schools may block Wikipedia from classrooms because of this image. (Policy and common sense against: WP:NOTCENSORED doesn't make an exception for this eventuality, and even if it were an actionable concern, all images and other content that could ever offend some teacher or school administrator somewhere would be removable. In point of real-world fact, what actually happens is that school censorware already blocks this and other sex articles, so common sense is against this rationale, too.)
I actually showed images like this to teachers and it turned them away from Wikipedia. (Irrelevant and pointless: That's on you. It's like breaking a kid's nose on purpose in front of his parents on sign-up day to warn them that taking up your karate class has its risks.)
The government of Australia, or whatever other country, might block Wikipedia entirely for this image (Policy and common sense against: WP:NOTCENSORED applies again and does not recognize this as a valid exception. Side note: If that really happened, the political fallout would be massive in a democracy like Australia; meanwhile, in a totalitarian state, we expect WP to be blocked anyway, for its political, human rights, etc., articles.)
The image does not help convey any information or understanding not conveyed by the article text, and thus serves no purpose. (Consensus and guidelines against: Others strongly disagree, and provide multiple reasons why the image is helpful, even if not perfect; the controlling guidelines, per WP:NOTCENSORED, are WP:PERTINENCE and WP:PROFANE, and both appear to be satisfied.)
"I agree!" and other context-free "me too" posts. (Irrelevant: Per WP:AADD, WP:NOT#DEMOCRACY, m:WM:PAE, etc., one-liner !votes are generally not useful for gauging consensus.
The image is poor quality. (Consensus to replace but not remove: I don't see anyone at all claiming it's a great photo. But many disagree that it is so bad that it must be removed. WP:PERTINENCE suggests rejecting images that are essentially useless, not just unappealing or technically shoddy. Many, on both sides, felt it can be replaced with a better photographic image, and others felt that a cut-away diagram would actually be more useful.)
The image clearly depicts someone with a disease or rash, and may confuse readers. (No consensus: I don't see any strong support for this notion, though it could probably have been the best argument for removal, per WP:PERTINENCE, if this were certain. The problem is, it's not clearly a rash or disease, but easily could be razor burn from shaving the area, a very common practice. So, perhaps another argument for replacement, but not for bare removal.)
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