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Arab Muslims Versus Desi Muslims: The Meaningless Differences Finally Revealed
By Texastiger33

Arab Muslims Versus Desi Muslims lol
Comments: 23 Raters: 9 November 30, 2010 at 9:06am

The opinions expressed in this journal are of the author and not necessarily of Naseeb.

sohathehalfbree
(November 20, 2013 at 12:17am)

sohathehalfbree
(November 20, 2013 at 12:15am)
ok buddie i am Mixed here with a half Pathan half arab muslim mother and White american revert muslim father and i look mostly white ironically then my moms races, and to be honest i think u darkers are just jealous of us who r lighter and ive had enough i dont have to apologyze to you for being half white okay thats not anyones fault and i always consider myself more desi , and love my desi heritage clothing people language and food music etc more then my arab or american heritages, yet i encounter so many other afg n pakistani people ready to get hostile n mean twords me when my own maternal grandma is afghan pak , and i feel more of her heritage then any other even tho i look more outside , and u darkers are always telling me how whites r this and that etc if am so arrogiant why would i idenitify myself with that 25% desi and go out of my way to speak pashto farsi and urdu , when i can easily just lie and say am greek or italian or irish and not achknowledge my heritage at all, now il admit i dont like my arab heritage, i dont even want to fit with them because they can be the worsed people as far as arrogiants gossiping hypocrascy and racism, ,and whites are hard to get along with period and idk how to talk to white folk , anyway DESI PRIDE Pukhtoon khwae!

G0T50NIT
(December 4, 2010 at 1:13pm)
you do see alot of people listing 'arabic' as one of the languages they speak. knowing a few phrases from Quran doesnt mean you can speak the language. plus for many they dont want to be associated with hindus either.

G5

Khan001
(December 4, 2010 at 11:39am)
Half the desi-muslim population pretends to be of Arab origin, thus they try to out-Arab the Arabs.

G0T50NIT
(December 4, 2010 at 7:11am)
hahaha hindu and sikh 'more human'?? ya go tell that to the victims of the gujarat riots. go tell that to the partition riot victims living now in lahore. go tell that to the family of graham staines, an australian missionary group who were murdered in cold blood by hindu fanatics. go tell that to all the lower caste hindus who are brutalized by the upper caste brahman hindus, ya sure they are more 'human'.

G5

manolos
(December 3, 2010 at 7:24am)

sipa
(December 1, 2010 at 9:10pm)
And of course the truth is that Islam originated in Pakistan which 1400 years ago was known as Pakistan before it was absorbed by the sub-continent as part of the Zionist conspiracy.

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 7:32pm)
and the issue of nationalizing Hindi is a huge reason why the Hindu fundamentalist bjp cannot win in the south, because they are the main people calling for it. they managed to win in the southern state of karnataka for the first time in the south, but many people already do speak and understand Hindi/Urdu. most people in the south usually go for the Indian national congress or local regional parties (mostly based on language), Telugu desam, founded by the icon of the Telugu film industry, N.T. Rama Rao, (he is their amitabh bachan) comes to mind.

G5

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 7:26pm)
yes Urdu / Hindi is the main form of communication between all the varying languages across the region, which is why it is spoken by half a billion people and it one of the most largest spoke languages in the world. i think only Chinese and English is more. its also why bollywood (which i cant stand with a passion) is also very popular throughout the region too. except in south India, because the language is not spoken there, outside of the Telugu regions in and around Hyderabad, or Bangalore in karnataka, where many south Indians do speak and understand Hindi/Urdu there. but gujaratis can speak and fluently understand Hindi/Urdu too. its very similar to their language. even ssd you were able to understand some of the Urdu i was speaking with the shop keepers. do i look down on people who don't know the language. of course not. i am not a fluent speaker myself, and when i was younger i used to get alot of flap too for not being able to speak the language. the truth is i started attending Desi masjids in the Devon st. area and everyone there is speaking Urdu, so i picked up the language there, as did many Bangladeshis did too. but it is just ironic how controversial the language is too. in india, in pakistan, in bangladesh, the native speakers of the language are treated like trash. you say that the bihari's 'refuse to assimilate', why because they prefer to speak urdu over bengali? i have seen videos on yt about the bihari muslims there, and all speaking in urdu too. if anything, i think a separate province should be carved out for them. you say they 'supported a losing side', but what do you expect, when you have ethnic linguistic nationalists threatening their language. both india and pakistan have provinces or states based on languages, and only in india's state of kashmir is urdu the official language, despite the fact that they have a local kashmiri language as well. bangladesh should do the same thing, of course i am well aware that many biharis are apprehensive about taking up bangladeshi citizenship because many see themselves as pakistani. if it were upto me i would send them back to bihar. but as you said thats the problem of the punjabi regime, and the politics of sindh who dont want to re-locate these people. if pakistanis are going to cry for kashmir, india's only muslim-majority state i might add, first take these people in.

bengali did produce many literary icons, like tagore who wrote india's national anthem (iqbal ironically wrote india's national song) but he also wrote the controversial 'vande mataram' which many muslims to this very day find offensive. in fact it was one of the key reasons behind partition, and why many muslims in east bengal (now modern day bangaldesh) opted for partition with pakistan. urdu of course has produced many iconic poets too, from amir khusro to mirza ghalib.

but having said that, one of the biggest reasons why i oppose making hindi/urdu the official language of india, vs. the current status of english, is because of pakistan's civil war of 1971. the same situation could occur in the south, and create a similar situation that is going on sri lanka right now with thier civil war between the indo-aryan speaking sinhalese majority and the tamil speaking dravidians who are (or were) ironically led by a christian.

G5

Texastiger33
(December 1, 2010 at 3:35pm)
lol DYRME, well said. The last Kuthba of the Prophet Muhammad SSA: "All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves."

Texastiger33
(December 1, 2010 at 12:53pm)
It true Biharis are in sadly in considerably bad shape, but that is a consequence of siding with the losing party, and it sucks even more when the Pakistanis they fought with wouldn't allow the Biharis the right of return, real grateful right lol? But should they suffer now, of course not. But as any citizens of any nation many have refused to assimilate. The younger generation has, but many of the old have not and choose to remain with their community. All in all sad situation, and Bangladesh isn't exactly a model of democracy and help like any South Asian nation lol. Do not get me wrong 50, Urdu is a beautiful language. I am actually a big fan of Nusrat myself. But I guess my whole point is even if Bengalis, Gujarati, Tamil or any other South Asian Muslims who are not native Urdu speakers, that know or basically understand Urdu, shouldn't be expected to know it, or seen any less of a Muslim for it. Unfortunately you may not understand because you are part of the majority. Regardless I hold no enmity, and love my urdu speaking friends like family as we all grew up together in the US brown muslims lol and ones that speak without knowledge and ignorance, I try to educate, and if they don't may Allah guide them.

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 10:53am)
now this is urdu in its rawest form: Nusrat - Haq Ali Ali Maula Ali Ali www.youtube.com

G5

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 10:46am)
ssd is referring to the past summer when i met her at the isna convention. im not a fluent Urdu speaker myself, but yes i do take a certain pride in the language, because it is associated with Muslims. in fact i even practice reading Urdu from local Urdu newspapers. now Urdu and Hindi are in essence the same language, spoken as 2 different dialects. much like British English and american English - its still the same language. when you add both Pakistan and India, meaning people who have the ability to speak the language, you are talking about well over half a billion people. it is after all the national language of Pakistan, it is spoken even as by the south Indian telugus in and around Hyderabad, my mom's family is an example of that. when i was comparing Bangladeshis to south Indian Muslims, what i meant was that they are Desi too, but they cant speak or understand Urdu. i once met a sri lankan Tamil Muslim who didnt know a word of Urdu. Urdu is also an indo-European language, meaning Aryan language, which is why its easily understood throughout India, including the Muslims of west Bengal, in Calcutta, which holds the 3rd largest Muslim community in India, after bihar and uttar pradesh. now if someone told you its a sin not to speak it, obviously its downright silly. now as for your take on the 'Punjabi regime', Punjabi is not Urdu. i dont know Punjabi, i cant understand it or speak it. but in Pakistan, all the provinces speak another language but have Urdu as its official language. in Bangladesh you have Urdu speaking Muslims who are languishing in refugee camps for almost 40 years now, stateless and without and forms of citizenship whatsoever. they are originally Muslims from bihar who fled partition riots there. but then we see in Pakistan, how Urdu speaking Muslims are treated there too, which gave rise to the mqm. now do i believe that Urdu should be imposed on anyone? no i do not agree with that at all. now many Bangladeshis in Chicago that i have seen in the Desi hood, can easily pick up Urdu due to the many similarities. but in India there are efforts to nationalize Hindi (Urdu) and make it the official language. currently it is English. it is an insult to the Dravidian south Indians whose languages are much older than Sanskrit, etc. they shouldn't be forced to speak the language. furthermore ,in India Urdu is controversial because it is associated with Muslims. when the national state TV, doordarshan (a far view) first started its Urdu channel, it was controversial because it was after all aimed at Muslims.

G5

Texastiger33
(December 1, 2010 at 9:47am)
Hey Brotha 50, it wasn't the fact I was surprised that they were shocked I didn't speak Urdu. It was the fact that the brother said it was a sin lol A correction www.vistawide.com ) Bengali is spoken by 215 million worldwide and Urdu 104 million. My parents were part of the older generation and were forced to speak Urdu by the oppressive Punjabi speaking regime based in West Pakistan en.wikipedia.org ). Bengali comes from Sanskrit an Aryan language en.wikipedia.org ) not Malayam which is Dravidian which has no similarity or correlation. Urdu is a mix of Arabic, Turkish, farsi, and Sanskrit (aka Hindi). In reality we shouldn't associate any language with religion, but sadly that is what happens, and people use religion to justify their actions.

Oolith
(December 1, 2010 at 6:34am)
Wow... this JE really tussled G5's hair. :snark:

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 12:20am)
as far as culture and islam. well culture can be defined in many ways. arts, theater, etc. is defined as culture. so is cuisine too. pagentry, clothing etc. is culture too. the thing about islam is that it can be absorbed into local cultures and traditions. look at the africans, and their dashikis, or the chinese muslims with pagoda style masjids. the indonesians and their unique flavor to Islam. and even here in the west where ex protestant churches no longer in use, are being converted into masjids.

G5

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 12:16am)
for texas: if people were shocked you didnt speak urdu, (meaning fobs) they wouldnt assume that you were bengali. because you really cant tell what ethnicity someone is just by looking at them. so people would assume that you hail from an urdu speaking family.

G5

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 12:14am)
so muddy wants to be a Christian lol. Christians dont approve of homosexuality either. and as far as those 'punishments', dont confuse wahabism as representing all of Islam either. america was founded by puritan Christians, who were so fundamentalist that they burned witches at the stake in Salem, Massachusetts!

as for saying that Islam comes from this or that, one can say the same thing about christianity. it comes from judaism, zorastrianism, roman paganism. but in Islam, there is nothing 'pagan' about it. virtually all aspects of pagan culture and customs of the arabs have not survived to this day and in fact we know very little about their tribal society.

G5

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 12:10am)
from G5: i disagree with the persian thing. persian is a language spoken in many countries, along with many offshoots, take urdu for example. persia is a country it existed for thousands of years. 'iran' is a word coined by the shah of iran due to his alliance with the nazi's, it means aryans.

G0T50NIT
(December 1, 2010 at 12:06am)
to texas: well the older generation of bengladeshis do speak urdu, because it was east pakistan at the time. even today in west bengal, india, muslims there do speak urdu, and the state holds the 3rd largest population of muslims in india. bangladeshis today do not speak urdu/hindi at all so that would put you guys in the same league as south indian muslims, like the one in kerala. yes many people do associate urdu with religion, because it was developed under the mughals, it uses a persian script for writing - something bengali does not. and the reason why urdu is much newer lanuage, compared to bengali, is because before urdu - everyone spoke persian, that is dari or eastern persian. the word dari itself means beard in urdu. but i wouldnt associate bengali with hidnus,anymore so i would associate punjabi with sikhs and hindus either.

and yes i do hail from an urdu speaking Hyderabadi family

G5

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