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9yr old daughter started masturbating?
Hello, just recently my daughter has started masturbating in the shower. This really bothers me and I don't know how to handle it or what to say to her. I want to be open and honest and I want her to know that she can talk to me but I don't know where to start with this one. Is it normal?
Yes, totally normal. I personally would just leave it as probing her further may just end up needlessly embarrassing her. It's perfectly normal to explore your own body, why does it bother you? Can I just ask (out of nosiness) how you know she is doing it?
How do you know?! Id say its normal x
Thank you that makes me feel loads better. I walked in on her shower a few weeks ago and saw her - she immediately pretended she wasn't doing anything and bless her, my heart went out to her. She asked me to close the door when I went out which I did but I lingered on the other side listening to the rhythmic noise and aching that my baby girl was growing up Since then she asks to shower in private. I did have a heart to heart with her about growing up and experimenting etc but she wasn't keen to persue it so I let it be. It only bothers me because she's still so young and I didn't realise that she would be having these feelings at such a young age.
Thank you that makes me feel loads better. I walked in on her shower a few weeks ago and saw her - she immediately pretended she wasn't doing anything and bless her, my heart went out to her. She asked me to close the door when I went out which I did but I lingered on the other side listening to the rhythmic noise and aching that my baby girl was growing up Since then she asks to shower in private. I did have a heart to heart with her about growing up and experimenting etc but she wasn't keen to persue it so I let it be. It only bothers me because she's still so young and I didn't realise that she would be having these feelings at such a young age.
Bless her she must have been mortified when you walked in. I am almost certain I did it at that age, I have done it for as long as I can actually remember (and there's definitely nothing wrong with me ). The important thing is that she shouldn't feel it's something to be ashamed of. Perfectly normal and absolutely fine to do privately.
Thank you that makes me feel loads better. I walked in on her shower a few weeks ago and saw her - she immediately pretended she wasn't doing anything and bless her, my heart went out to her. She asked me to close the door when I went out which I did but I lingered on the other side listening to the rhythmic noise and aching that my baby girl was growing up Since then she asks to shower in private. I did have a heart to heart with her about growing up and experimenting etc but she wasn't keen to persue it so I let it be. It only bothers me because she's still so young and I didn't realise that she would be having these feelings at such a young age.
It shouldn't bother you as this is totally normal. Children as young as six learn to masturbate. It's wrong to associate masturbation with adulthood and sex because it's not quite the same.
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Oh goodness. My daughter is 9 and hadn't given it a thought! I remember my mum walking in on me, on the floor, rubbing myself against a cushion!! It was never mentioned though. X
Oh gosh.... I hope my 9yr old isn't doing such things... She still seems so young. Although she bathes with her younger siblings with the door open.... Feeling your anxiety. X
I have a 9 and 11 yr old daughters,and was cort masturbating by my 9 year old.i didn't realize she was stood watching,and now I've seen her masturbating!I feel so guilty thinking its my fault:(
Don't make an issue of it. Somebody a while ago talked about a 'growing up box' which I plan to so for my two girls soon. It included books about sex and biology, sanitary towels etc... Maybe just do something like that and offer her the choice to come to you with any questions...
What is it that you are worried about? This is perfectly normal behaviour.
Oh gosh.... I hope my 9yr old isn't doing such things... She still seems so young. Although she bathes with her younger siblings with the door open.... Feeling your anxiety. X
Not a very helpful comment - it's perfectly normal behaviour
Maybe not helpful, but a scary thought none-the-less...
Maybe not helpful, but a scary thought none-the-less...
My eldest is 9 i wouldnt feel comfortable knowing that either. How do you know she does this? and does she just touch her bits or actually masterbate? i wouldnt have known how to at 9
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I am not so certain this is an appropriate external link. Although it may very well be documenting actual cases of "positive" incest, the writing style is very sensationalized and erotic. Moreover, there is more than just incest documented. It openly advocates promiscuity, zoophilia , sex with minors, and possibly other paraphilias that I may have missed in a cursory overview of the site. I certainly don't intend to be the morality police here, I am speaking more to the link's relevance to the scope of this article, as well as the ability to verify whether or not the true stories are, indeed, true.
I figured it would be more polite to voice my concern here than to delete the link outright. -- cogpsy 03:48, 6 December 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Can anybody give me a citation to the Andrew Vachss quote about incest laws give privileged treatment to child rapists who grow their own victim? I would like to see what he has to say on this more specifically. -- Cardigan 04:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Here is the source I pulled it in from [1] . It is linked to this article as well. Anacapa 03:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
It's sick and the article should clearly state that, saying "incest is a sick act" somewhere in the first paragraph. This isn't opinion it's fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.64.168.185 ( talk )
I have a question, if we reverse the birth process arent' all human beings the product of incest? Despite what one believes (creation or evolution), at some point someone had to be screwing 1) their family members to make a the large populations in teh first place and 2) bestiality if you have interspecies sex.
The incest avoidance between siblings probably only occurs in large populations, it doesn't make any sense that incest is wrong or disgusting since all human beings are the result of incest at some level.
Birth abnormalities are caused by this. It's just that the possibility of having birth abnormalities is extremely reduced in a large population, as everyone is a distant relative; only it isn't zero, so that's why abnormalities occur.-- Orthologist 16:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Different people define incest differently. Muslims find that marrying first cousins as not an illegal thing but getting married to half-siblings, step-siblings and step-parents (other than our full-blood related family members). I'm not sure about how this would relate to Christians and Jews. After years of marriage, Adam and Eve's children grew up to be adults. Surely, there were not many humans around at that time - so they had no choice but to marry one another.
[My discusion starts here]It isn't sick at all if both sides are in love with each other. I have no siblings and would never do anything like this, but I have no problem with thoes who do.
MJN SEIFER
i can see how in cases of rape you wold call it sick
when in most states it isn't even illegal .... i mean yes the idea may be frowned upon you can say that
but i dont think it is objective to call it sick in all cases calling it sick should apply to cases of rape but not
to consenting married adults
incest is a very beautiful and meaningful event in a child's life. It strengthens the familial bond, as I can personally attest, my sister and I have never been closer.
-Louis Maisel
31 McAlister Dr.
New Orleans, LA 70118
lmaisel@tulane.edu
And incest is sick, no matter how you dress up the terms, nothing good comes of fucking your sister.
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Stantz ( talk • contribs ) 23:19, 2007 February 22
Who are you to judge myself and my family's activities?
-Louis Maisel
31 McAlister Dr.
New Orleans, LA 70118
lmaisel@tulane.edu
you know you have lost an argument when you have to resort to the statement of unfounded theories as fact... saying incest is sick over and over again won't make you right Shaggy AKA Eli Bixby Portland Oregon 06:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
When the intro speaks of "sexual activity between close family members", does that include situations where two brothers or two sisters are masturbating at the same time in their shared bedroom but no sexual contact occurs. I can't recall ever seeing such a situation being referred as incestuous. I think if the siblings where brother and sister then that would be considered different. When the intro uses word "between" that seems to clearly imply contact or interaction beyond simply being in the same room. -- Cab88 15:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
I just wanted to post this on Template talk:Abuse , when I realized, that this page is properly watched by more people:
Does the link to Incest really belong in the Abuse-Box , and vice versa, does the box belong on this article? I really do not want to start a discussion on the topic in general, as the four (!) archived talk pages clearly indicate that it is a touchy subject. Neither do I want to make any statement on the morality, but my point is: Putting it in the box, directly under a heading and combined with Child sexual abuse none the less does exactly that. After taking only a short look at the sheer length of this article, one understands that it is a multi-layered subject, and putting it under the very clear headline of "Abuse" makes a statement, which I fear is far too bold for Wikipedia. I am not saying, Incest cannot be a part of abuse, or lead to abuse, but calling it abuse per se–and I feel Template:Abuse does just that—constitutes a gross oversimplification of a complex subject.
Therefore I suggest that the link to Incest be removed from Template:Abuse and the template from the article. I would welcome any thoughts on the idea. — Mütze 20:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
I think the article doesn't really explain covert vs overt incest very well. From a Google, it appears covert incest is e.g. when a parent relies on a child for emotional support that one would normally obtain from a partner. Whereas over incest I assume is sexual abuse? Someone with more understanding should improve it. How well accepted is the term covert incest? I've always thought of incest as involving sexual activity. Covert incest to me just doesn't sound like incest (I'm not saying it's not wrong, just that it doesn't fit my view of incest). Nil Einne 19:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
>>>Thee is a huge literature on parents seeking inappropriate emotional fulfilliment from children / debates within and around Freudian theory is full of it. I have never seen the term covert incest but if some people call it that, okay / however, I am sure that many people who do discuss this phenomenon do not call it covert incest. The point is simple / whatever the semantics, this is an entirely different topic from that of this article and discussion of it belongs in another article. Slrubenstein | Talk 00:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Yeah I added this when I was pretty outraged about the topic and ran up against several editors who have no clue about covert sex acts...despite many movies about non-contact sex acts (such as phone sex or online sex) they seem to believe that sex has to always involve contact to be 'real' sex. To claim that the covert incest content is unsourced or irrelevant to this article is just plain POV. This was well sourced content in an article full of original research. I just found a new website on this topic [2] for people with NPOV minds. I believe covert incest should be included here with distinct distinctions between overt and covert so no one is confused about which is which and so that this ugly, well hidden, and all too common form of parent-child sexual predation sees the light here.
As for the so-called controveries about covert incest I suspect that is all original research added here by other editors who have their own strong opinions about the topic. I read
a lot of psychological literature but I have yet to find professionals or others who have weighed in about covert incest from opposing POV's. Please fact check these so-called controversies so we can see who is asserting what about covert incest. Anacapa 03:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
The article seems to be illiterate, poorly worded and ethnocentric.
Some time ago, I neutralised some of the language (removing the perp - victim speak from the 'parental' section under 'forms of incest'). Objectively, incest is a sexual interaction. A victimological model would have to be presented as a theory, not as the basis of the main text.
There is still a lot of work to do, in both clearup, neutrality and also representing a sociological take on the revulsion occasionally caused by incest, right through to the parent - child level.
Anyone else think it might be helpful to link to the rotten.com article about this subject? They actually explain the motives very well.
Husbands and wives commit incest all the time, yet no one is charged. The Wookieepedian 06:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Incest, from both a legal and biological standpoint, only occurs when the parties involved are blood-relations or within certain 'prohibited degrees of kinship'. Husbands and wives are typically not siblings or blood-related, biologically or by adoption. 207.216.10.130 10:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
You're missing his point, all human beings are related by common descent and ancestry, at some point we are ALL family and related. You can tell this just by looking at the shape of the human body it is fractal and the same throughout the entire human species.
Do you see what's happening? Each time you go further down through the 'generations' of this tree, your genetic connection becomes weaker and weaker, until it ceases to connect at all. Genetically, Shakespeare and I are about as related as a potato is to a mouse.
As for fractal shapes, fractals are a common mathematical occurance in almost everything (persisting, in some cases, to the molecular level), and are not reliable evidence of any kind of connection. 'Commonality of shape' is the result of evolutionary adaptation to a specific environment. For example: a tall, thin creature in a high-gravity environment likely wouldn't be able to support itself due to the center of gravity. Thusly, evolution would accomodate for this by producing stouter, stronger beings (quoted from http://boards1.wizards.com/archive/index.php/t-198794.html ).
I will end my diatribe here. :P Sorry it's so long. 207.216.14.202 09:07, 25 November 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
there wasn't any single one first human.....
I have created a covert incest article. I do not know much about it, but I saw something written on this talk page and created it in case anyone who knows about it wants to expand upon it.
I have been looking throught the article yet this does not seem to be here. In a single generation of offspring bred through incest, by how much does the chance of deformity rise? This article did seem to be quite vague with this.
Krystel 17:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
I too would like to see more on the science of genetic deformation. After all unless another abnormal behavior was involved (rape, sexual assault, etc.) this is the only consequence of incest. 1Shaggy1 AKA Eli Bixby Portland Oregon 06:13, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I believe fictional references in this section ought to be moved to Fiction. There is one instance of duplication that I can see, Song of Fire and Ice . Pendragon39 03:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
Perhaps that is why humanity is so messed up? The Wookieepedian 07:22, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Reply [ reply ]
I've removed [ [3] ] some anime-related random trivia from the article. Though being an avid anime fan myself, I find this trivia to be redundant and not notable in the article's context.
Browsing through the article, I also have reservations against the "Incest in popular music" section. I believe it to be just a collection of random statements not adding into the article's quality or subject coverage. However, my proposed change would mean deleting a whole section. Being a new wikipedian, I'd like to ask the consensus for an opinion: does it really belong here?
nullie 09:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
"Adult incest
Incest between adults occurs where there is no dependence on the adults as parent-child or sibling-sibling dependence precludes independent consent."
This doesnt make any sense. It seems to be saying that incest cant be consensual between adults due to power imbalances between the individuals concerned. A defendable hypothesis, perhaps, but POV, and I had to read it four times to work that out. Perhaps it should be replaced with something more matter of fact. e.g "Adult incest occurs between individuals who are close blood relations who have exceded their sociey's legal or cultural age of consent."
Apparently in Texas, since September 1st, 2005, cousin marriages are no longer allowed and is treated as a felony.
Or something like that.
As well as on the forums of that website. -MP, November 2006
Is sibling marriage legal anywhere in the world? Not necessary referring to marrying your siblings from your parents, but also half-siblings and stepsiblings.
BJS Survey of State Prison Inmates, 1991. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.102.254.114 ( talk ) 03:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC). Reply [ reply ]
Please in the future avoid muddying up the article by strewing it with POV from professionals (psychologists, etc) who treated individuals for depression "due to incest" or the
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