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I changed some contents and brought up somes sources. Thank you for your reading. My opinion is further to give somes advices about sexual transmitted diseases through this specific doing.zusasa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zusasa ( talk • contribs ) 07:09, 22 February 2013 (UTC) [ reply ]

I have added an image to this article. It is an image of my own creation and released to the public domain. If you would like to make suggestions for an alternate image, or request an image for another article, please see my user page. Thanks. -- SeedFeeder ( talk ) 08:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC) [ reply ]

My apologies, but I and many other people are inclined to find such an image disgusting and in poor taste, so I removed it. I am glad that I was not eating when I hovered my mouse pointer over a hyperlink to this page and this picture was displayed. I'm pretty sure that almost every single person that read one sentence describing this sex act (which is frequently performed mouth-to-mouth rather than at a distance, with Michelle Williams drooling baby batter into the gaping maw of Jesus of Nazareth) can easily visualize exactly what it entails, and therefor an illustration is gratuitous; if nothing else just link to it or put it further down the page to avoid shocking a lot of people who come to this page looking for a quick definition of the term. 2600:1700:5DD0:60A0:7031:5BB2:877A:436E ( talk ) 20:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC) [ reply ]

There are a couple of references to dominant roles in this article which, I think, should either have citations or be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.21.102.176 ( talk ) 00:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC) [ reply ]

I mean why does felatio specifically "not entail" the male being passive? I can't see why it should be seen as a practice where the male is always dominant, that seems quite a subjective statement to me. Jim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jim Jay ( talk • contribs )

OK, as there have been no objections, I've gone ahead and taken out the worst bit. Jim Jay ( talk ) 16:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC) [ reply ]

I agree with you. The article states: "Here, men generally adopt the dominant role"; this statement is certainly not objective. The sexual practice discussed in this article does not necessarily have to do with domination/submission games (except in some cases of pornography, but this article is not only about pornography). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.10.84.3 ( talk ) 03:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC) [ reply ]

Ok, I've closed the AfD on this article b/c it now satisfies WP:NOTE, because of the references kindly added by Malik Shabazz . However, reading those references seems to indicate that the term specifically refers to swapping semen between its donor and recipient. I'm cleaning up the article to remove original research, and asking Seedfeeder if he can supply a new image, as the current one (of two women swapping semen) is clearly misleading as to what the term means. I've also added a porn-stub template per this article's classification, which should insulate it from any WP:DICDEF complaints until it's out of stub stage. I'm also clearing the ICU tag, as the article isn't in danger of deletion anymore. MrNerdHair ( talk ) 01:05, 9 December 2008 (UTC) [ reply ]

I notice that at the end of the page this entry is described as "pornography related" - surely that isn't right is it? It describes an actually existing sexual practice (which can be portrayed in pornography) but the article hardly dwells on porn. Personally I think that reference should be removed as it is misleading about the article. Jim Jay ( talk ) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC) [ reply ]

The references for this article are, mostly, pretty poor. I contend that much of this article is contentious, and requires rigorous sourcing. WP:RS and WP:V are pretty strict about sources for contentious material. We are looking for peer-reviewed academic works on sexology or sociology or whatever, or at least major reputable popular publications, that sort of thing. Let's see what we get.

One is to [ devilsfilm.com devilsfilm.com . To enter this site, one has to "agree to be bound" to a number of fairly broad conditions. I think it's fair to say that this is not a verifiable source, and people, please don't use sources like this. Removed.

Two are to Dan Savage 's advice column in The Stranger , a Seattle free giveaway tabloid. Some points about this:

The next reference is to an article in XBIZ . XBIZ has a Wikipedia article so they're presumably notable. (Reliable, I'm not sure about. It's not a peer-reviewed academic publication or respected popular publication. But we'll let that go for now.) Their article deals strictly with pornography, which is OK. What's not OK is that the term "snowballing" doesn't appear in the article. The only passage in the article that might possibly bear on the subject is this: "...new cum-swapping title, 'Sperm Swappers.'" However, it doesn't explain what "Sperm Swappers" is about. It could be about a lot of things - maybe two guys taking turns at anal or oral intercourse, for instance, or any number of things. WP:RS says "Sources should directly support the information as it is presented in an article" (emphasis in original). Insufficient detail, removed.

That leaves two references, both of which we can see into here online.

The The Slangman Guide to Dirty English is published by Slangman Publishing. They sell language-learning materials, I guess, of the breezy type (judging my the covers) and some of those are slang courses aimed at English-as-a-second-language folks who want more than just the approved-dictionary texts. Makes sense. How rigorous they are I don't know. This is not an academic publisher. Wikipedia has articles on eleven David Burkes, and one of them is the David Burke who wrote this book. Unfortunately, the article doesn't help much, and I don't find anything else about him right off. If he's an academic lexicographer I don't see evidence of that. The small bit that Google Books allows us to see quotes the dialogue from the movie "Clerks" (see below), which is not a reliable source, although there is a hint that there is more material. It's a dictionary, so it's a tertiary source (see WP:IRS , which is not recommended except for overviews or summaries.

However, the ref is used only to support the contention that the term did, indeed, appear in the dialogue of the movie Clerks. But the Partridge ref (see below) also supports that, and is considerably more reliable. So all things considered, I removed this ref and used the Partridge ref instead.

The New Partridge Dictionary of Slang and Unconventional English . The namesake author, Eric Partridge , is a respected slang lexicographer. The ref gives Routledge as the publisher, but I think this is wrong, and the editor may be confusing this with The Routledge Dictionary of Modern American Slang and Unconventional English , and it is Taylor & Francis that publishes the Partridge (the two books are similar but not identical). But nevermind, both are established academic publishers. It's just a short dicdef, and it's a dictionary, so it's a tertiary source, which is not recommended except for overviews or summaries, but it gives some citations. Three citations are given, so we can drill down into those. Since it's a Partridge / Taylor & Francis book, I think we can assume the citations are accurate. What are the three citations?

So this is an acceptable reference. But only for these two contentions: 1) weakly, that it is (or was) a term used by gay men (and this may reflect historical rather than current usage), and 2) it was used in the movie "Clerks". That's all we have.

I figured when I went through here that I would find that the references mainly supported that this was a pornography term rather than a notably prevelant real-life sex practice. But there isn't a reference that supports that, at all. In fact, there's basically nothing.

I tagged the article for refs and notability. Unless it can get some good references, it would have to be severely redacted. But that would leave almost nothing, so I'm going to send it to WP:AFD instead. Unless there are actual good references added. Herostratus ( talk ) 06:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC) [ reply ]

Oh, right, I missed What's Your Sexual IQ? which is not given as an inline ref. Its in Google Books so we can read it. But a search for "snowball" returns a not found, so... Herostratus ( talk ) 06:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC) [ reply ]

The whole sentence "Some heterosexual men are uncomfortable with the practice." seems not only redundant, but especially misleading, as it’s implying all non-heterosexual men and/or women are comfortable with this act. Removing this sentence would keep as much information in the article but without the clutter. The sentence is ‘backed’ by two sources, both of which are from Dan Savage (who doesn’t seem to have much credibility in the first place — see earlier comments on this page). Neither of the referenced pages explicitly mention the remark and the terms ‘heterosexual’ and ‘uncomfortable’ are nowhere to be found. The only backing would be the very free interpretation of the content of that site, which in no way counts as citing a reference. Jasperiscool ( talk ) 22:39, 1 April 2021 (UTC) [ reply ]

Look, the image doesn't belong in the article, as it doesn't illustrate any content of the article - it shows two females (and the participation of at least one third party (a male) may be inferred), and there's nothing in the article or sources about this. Removing the image on that grounds seems like a no-brainer, and Cptnono is just being obstreperous. Does anyone want to back me up on this, or are we really going to have to go to an RfC over this basically incontrovertible point? Herostratus ( talk ) 04:36, 2 December 2010 (UTC) [ reply ]

Should this image be included in the article?

Baloons are used for atmospheric research .

As I pointed out, outside of my personal experience, the second citation, "What's your Sexual IQ -- By Eve Marx", says "In a bisexual group-sex ...two or more female partners will share a man or several men's semen...". As the explanation in this RS fits loosley with my personal experience, I would be inclined to believe it. I would like to find further references rather than just one. My opinion is that the act that this topic describes happens in real life, but happens only rarely. Cases where women engage in the act (Group sex and Snowballing) are a rare case of this rare act. It is our job to document reality as accurately as possible though, not try to remove things that are true in real life, but rare. Atom ( talk ) 15:54, 17 February 2011 (UTC) [ reply ]

I goofed and read ref too fast. But in real life I'm sure gay and hetro is most frequent and let's cater to readers. I'd rather see the guys doing it myself. CarolMooreDC ( talk ) 05:57, 17 February 2011 (UTC) [ reply ]

Wow Jayen, you're really showing that bias now. You and herostratus are both making the same bad faith assumptions without a shred of evidence. If you can't seem to make your point without doing so then I suggest you as well perhaps take a step back and examine what it is you're doing. I've got zero respect for any editor who wants to run around and try and paint other editors like that. I clearly stated above that until another image was found, this one was sufficient, but I didn't discourage using another image. I discouraged the removal of this one until a better one was actually provided.-- Crossmr ( talk ) 08:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC) [ reply ]

Carol, were you actually able to verify the wording "In a bisexual group-sex ...two or more female partners will share a man or several men's semen..." in What's your sexual IQ ? The book has a Search Inside function in amazon , and none of these words come up when searched for. Snowballing occurs on two pages only, where it is described as "Having the guy's semen spit back into his mouth" (p. 84) and "the act of spitting a guy's semen back into his mouth after fellatio" (p.90). That is all I find. -- JN 466 06:50, 19 February 2011 (UTC) [ reply ]

Cptnono, it's blatant OR. The source cited is the film itself, so the commentary is completely unsourced. It also looks like the analysis is simply made up and quite likely wrong; Urban Dictionary has several entries for snowblowing as an alternative word for snowballing, and janeguide has snowblowing as a related, but different practice: kissing after a blow job without exchanging the fluid. Neither has it as Julia Roberts' character getting the word wrong. So please let's just take it out until we get some reliable sources. -- J N 466 10:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC) [ reply ]

This falls under WP:USERG ; it's a self-published source , and no use to Wikipedia. J N 466 13:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC) [ reply ]

From the page -- "A somewhat similar practice in heterosexual pornography is cum swapping, in which a woman passes semen from her mouth into that of another woman." -- I really want to point out the irony of two women kissing being described as heterosexual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:7152:AA00:90C0:7094:72D7:A555 ( talk ) 03:34, 17 October 2015 (UTC) [ reply ]

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