Can Prince Harry Marry An American
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By Owen Amos
BBC News, Washington DC
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When Prince Harry marries LA-born Meghan Markle next year, she will not be the first American in his family tree.
The prince's great-great grandmother was Frances Ellen Work - a "Dollar Princess" whose life reads like a Downton Abbey storyline.
Frances - known as Fannie - was born in New York City in 1857, the elder daughter of Frank Work. He was a self-made American banker who left a $15,000,000 fortune when he died.
Fannie was considered "a great beauty in her youth" according to her obituary in the New York Times.
"She spent lavishly, enjoying parties and the excitement of being admired in beautiful clothes," writes Anne de Courcy in The Husband Hunters.
"At the same time, she was very well read, spoke French fluently, and took a great interest in paintings and furniture."
In 1880, she married the English-born James Boothby Burke Roche - the son of Irish politician Edmund Burke Roche, 1st Baron Fermoy.
Fannie's dad - the self-made millionaire - was not impressed.
"I am an American to my backbone," he said.
"Therefore I have only contempt for these helpless, hopeless, lifeless men that cross the ocean to carry off the very flower of our womanhood…
"If I had anything to say about the matter I'd make international marriage a hanging offence."
It's fair to say James Roche - known as Jim - wasn't the ideal son-in-law. Firstly, he was broke.
"He had led a life far beyond what he could actually afford," writes Anne de Courcy.
He was also - to put it mildly - somewhat of a schemer.
By the time he married Fannie, Jim had been a "ranchman in the west, a revolutionist in South America, a gold miner in Alaska, an explorer in Patagonia, and a blockade runner during the Russo-Japanese war," according to the New York Times.
Worst of all - for Frank at least - he was "tall, good looking, with good skin, dark eyes, a dark moustache, and a sizeable dollop of Irish charm".
Fannie and Jim lived in England and had four children in London (one died in infancy). But in 1891, Fannie was granted a divorce in the US.
The divorce was front page news. The court said Jim had "deserted" her more than three years earlier, and had "wilfully neglected to provide for his wife".
The American court also gave Fannie custody of their three children - Cynthia Burke Roche, Edmund Maurice Burke Roche, and Francis George Burke Roche.
Edmund Maurice Burke Roche - who died in 1955 - was Princess Diana's grandfather.
In 1905, Fannie married again - this time to a Hungarian, Aurel Batonyi. Her father was so incensed, he removed her from his will (she was later left a "small portion").
After divorcing for a second time, Fannie divided her later years between the US and Europe. Her obituary said she "entertained extensively" in Paris.
She died in 1947 at her home in Fifth Avenue in New York City. Her great-granddaughter, Diana, was born across the Atlantic 14 years later.
The Royal Family's links to North America don't end with Fannie Work.
In fact, Prince Harry isn't even the Queen's first grandson to marry a North American.
Peter Phillips - son of the Princess Royal - married Autumn Kelly, a Canadian, in 2008.
The couple met at the Canadian Grand Prix in Montreal in 2003 (Peter was working for the Williams Formula One team).
Before the wedding, she gave up her Catholic faith - a move that allowed Peter to retain his right to the throne (the law changed in 2015).
If that seemed old-fashioned, the pre-wedding publicity was more modern. The couple spoke to Hello magazine for a reported £500,000.
The ceremony took place at Windsor Castle in front of 300 friends and family, 70 of them from Canada.
Prince Harry was among the guests - as was his then-girlfriend, Chelsy Davy.
Prince Harry's and Peter Phillips' uncle, the Duke of York, also dated an American.
In February 1981, on the night of his 21st birthday, he met Koo Stark - an understudy at the National Theatre in London.
After their first date, in which old York met New York, he invited her to "BP for lunch". She thought he meant the petrol station; it was actually an invitation to Buckingham Palace.
News of the relationship broke in 1982 while the couple were in Mustique in the Caribbean. Some paparazzi hired light aircraft. Others swam to the beach in scuba gear.
The similarity to Prince Harry - who complained about media "abuse and harassment" last year - is clear. Indeed, the New York Post recently called Ms Stark the "Meghan Markle of the 1980s".
Prince Andrew and Ms Stark broke up but remained friends. He is godfather to Ms Stark's daughter.
But - no matter what Prince Harry and Meghan Markle do - they won't shake the Royal Family like Harry's great-great uncle did in 1936.
The future Edward VIII met Wallis Simpson, an American socialite, at a house party in 1931. She was married to her second husband, Ernest, after divorcing her first.
In January 1936, Edward became king when his father, George V, died. In October that year, Mrs Simpson was granted a divorce for the second time.
In November, King Edward told the prime minister, Stanley Baldwin, that he wanted to marry Mrs Simpson. Mr Baldwin told him the public would not accept Mrs Simpson as queen.
The King proposed a morganatic marriage - in which he would be King but she not the Queen - but it was rejected by the prime minister and other Commonwealth governments.
On 11 December 1936, he gave up the throne. In his abdication speech, he talked about "the woman I love".
The couple married in 1937 and, after World War Two, lived in France. He died there in 1972, while she lived until 1986.
More than 80 years after the constitutional crisis, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will write a new chapter in the long history between North America and the Royal Family.
This one, hopefully, will be much smoother.
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British Royal Prince Harry is marrying an American actress who is divorced from a previous marriage. Is this an issue for anyone?
It may irked a conservative, but it is hardly an issue. Even if the King of England would be the head of Anglican Church.
If you watch season 1 of Netflix The Crown, you may get the idea that royalties marrying a divorcee is a big problem for Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson, that he was forced to abdicate. But you forget that:
It may irked a conservative, but it is hardly an issue. Even if the King of England would be the head of Anglican Church.
If you watch season 1 of Netflix The Crown, you may get the idea that royalties marrying a divorcee is a big problem for Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson, that he was forced to abdicate. But you forget that:
As a guy who follows the story from World War 2 perspective, it infuriated me when the decision to proceed with Edward VIII’s abdication reemerged as gossipy scandalous jealousy social conservativism affair.
He was working against his country and actively undermines it too. Even when he learned that the Nazis commit the holocaust, he is still unchanged. Wallis isn’t any different. They are a couple of bloody traitors at best.
There is no defense for Harry & Meghan from Edward VIII & Wallis’ case. They are entirely different. People tend to look on the juicy gossipy tabloid materials and focus on that instead. A King marrying a social climber, adultering two times divorcee, which became three after they make the commitment.
It never mattered to a boisterous pragmatic like Sir Winston Churchill. But he has to finally agree to the pressure for the King’s abdication.
The popularity of “punished for love” argument explains why there are only so few great figures and the successful are less than 1%. Because the majority only discuss things that never mattered.
Has the British Royal Family become progressive by letting Prince Harry marry Meghan who is American, black and divorced?
Why is it possible for Prince Harry to marry a divorced person, when Queen Elizabeth's uncle had to abdicate in order to do so and Queen Elizabeth's sister was forbidden from doing so?
With which move is Prince Harry’s ‘divorce’ from the royal family sealed?
Will Meghan Markle and Prince Harry’s marriage go the distance? Why or why not?
Was Prince Harry the first British royal to marry a woman that was not from a highborn family?
Prince Charles was in love with Camilla before he met Diana. Diana was young and romantic and fell in love with Charles. Camilla was married and would have to get divorced to marry Charles. His aunt and grandmother were heavily against Charles marrying a divorcee. The family had already had one similar split when his uncle, Edward 8 married American divorcee, Wallace Simpson and had to abdicate the throne. He was forced to marry Diana. The marriage failed. Diana was heartbroken, she went to her mother-in-law, the Queen and spilled her heart out but she got no help.
Prince Charles was in love with Camilla before he met Diana. Diana was young and romantic and fell in love with Charles. Camilla was married and would have to get divorced to marry Charles. His aunt and grandmother were heavily against Charles marrying a divorcee. The family had already had one similar split when his uncle, Edward 8 married American divorcee, Wallace Simpson and had to abdicate the throne. He was forced to marry Diana. The marriage failed. Diana was heartbroken, she went to her mother-in-law, the Queen and spilled her heart out but she got no help.
Diana was a lost soul. She wanted, needed love but it was denied her. She had affairs, sued for divorce and was killed in a motor accident 20 years ago last September.
The public was furious, we loved her and she had been abandoned by the Royal family. The Queen was on the verge of a revolution.
Harry is loved by us as strongly as we loved Diana. I see no chance whatsoever of his nuptials meeting any problem at all.
The Queen has led a very sheltered life. She does not understand the feelings and difficulties of normal life. She is our leader but she cannot use sound judgement because she has no experience.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
Royalty in Europe is largely ceremonial. So it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things who Prince Harry marries. I think that really should be between him and her entirely. If she doesn’t mind playing the role of a princess in Great Britian, I don’t see that this is any of the public’s business.
And if you think it’s shameful to marry a divorced woman, the question is whether any woman may ever get remarried after being divorced. Would it make a difference if the divorce was her fault, or her husband’s fault, or both of their faults? And does it apply to
Royalty in Europe is largely ceremonial. So it really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things who Prince Harry marries. I think that really should be between him and her entirely. If she doesn’t mind playing the role of a princess in Great Britian, I don’t see that this is any of the public’s business.
And if you think it’s shameful to marry a divorced woman, the question is whether any woman may ever get remarried after being divorced. Would it make a difference if the divorce was her fault, or her husband’s fault, or both of their faults? And does it apply to divorced men? If not, then you are being sexist. And if so, then you will have alienated men and woman as opposed to women alone.
Who Prince Harry marries is none of your business or mine.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
Seems as sensible as any other marriage.
What if Prince Harry had rather married a man?
What’s Diana’s background, was she royal before marrying Prince Charles?
What are the pros and cons of Prince Harry's leaving royal status to follow his wife to a new life?
Why isn't Prince Harry marrying a younger woman?
Why did the Queen and her advisors allow Prince Harry to marry an American divorcee?
Original question: British Royal Prince Harry is marrying an American actress who is divorced from a previous marriage. Is this an issue for anyone?
The thing is; time’s change and what was not acceptable before is acceptable today.. even for royalty. 50 years ago I’d say it was an issue; but today its so common that not many in the western countries will think twice about it. Might have been more trouble if he was direct line to the throne though.. but as he’s not and his elder brother has several children..
As for marrying a commoner that’s happened many times before. And again - divorce is no
Original question: British Royal Prince Harry is marrying an American actress who is divorced from a previous marriage. Is this an issue for anyone?
The thing is; time’s change and what was not acceptable before is acceptable today.. even for royalty. 50 years ago I’d say it was an issue; but today its so common that not many in the western countries will think twice about it. Might have been more trouble if he was direct line to the throne though.. but as he’s not and his elder brother has several children..
As for marrying a commoner that’s happened many times before. And again - divorce is no longer such a huge issue so overall.. Just don’t over-think it.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
It is necessary to unite the two kingdoms and end the war. This arrangement was planned by the warring kings when the two were born.
Finally, there will be peace between the Americans and British.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
How can it possibly be it a shame when two unmarried people fall in love and get married?
His father already proved that choosing a bride just because she is a virgin of noble descent is a terrible idea. Harry is a different person, who came of age in a different world. He was smart enough and lucky enough to be able to choose a woman who is as well-prepared as an American can be to assume the lifestyle and duties that will fall to her as his wife. Most importantly, they know and love each other, so it will not be a brutal slog for her the way it was for his mother.
How can it possibly be it a shame when two unmarried people fall in love and get married?
His father already proved that choosing a bride just because she is a virgin of noble descent is a terrible idea. Harry is a different person, who came of age in a different world. He was smart enough and lucky enough to be able to choose a woman who is as well-prepared as an American can be to assume the lifestyle and duties that will fall to her as his wife. Most importantly, they know and love each other, so it will not be a brutal slog for her the way it was for his mother.
I wish Harry and Meghan every happiness.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
I would say it makes perfect sense. Two young people, met on a blind date, fell in love and have announced that they will get married.
Where is the shame in that? Can you explain why you, the op think this is shameful in some way.
Personally I wish a lot more people were making this kind of sense, the world needs more loving relationships, regardless of the status or background of the people involved. Only good can come from this, it is a delightful thing to happen :)
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
I think that this question is useless in many senses.
There are far more important things to think about than the life of those who have born in "aristocratic"families.
All the "social, non written rules" about this anachronic segment of modern society are outdated, futile and doesn't fit anynore in the XXI Century.
Being divorced is a current state in modern world, wich means nothing more than a relationship did not worked.
A "royal prince" is a person, just like any other...eats, poops, take a pee, and will die just like anybody.
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
I didn’t know Camilla was an actress.
Either way, does it matter? She’s not in line for the throne. She’s not the parent of the monarch or the future monarch. Her bloodline is irrelevant to the political reality.
As long as she does a good job wearing nice hats, waves and smiles well, and doesn’t cause any national or international incidents, who cares?
When you are marrying into one of the most dysfunctional families in the UK, managing the outlaws in a previous marriage is actually quite a good prerequisite to entering such a complex, hard work marriage as this. Royal woman may look glamorous but their lives are high pressured and very difficult. William has done well to find a very sturdy character in Kate and I hope Meghan proves to be as strong and consistent long term.
With the original questioner, are they disappointed that Harry hasn't gone through a messy divorce himself? I’m glad he’s dodged the bullet. Did the questioner have the sa
When you are marrying into one of the most dysfunctional families in the UK, managing the outlaws in a previous marriage is actually quite a good prerequisite to entering such a complex, hard work marriage as this. Royal woman may look glamorous but their lives are high pressured and very difficult. William has done well to find a very sturdy character in Kate and I hope Meghan proves to be as strong and consistent long term.
With the original questioner, are they disappointed that Harry hasn't gone through a messy divorce himself? I’m glad he’s dodged the bullet. Did the questioner have the same issues with Charles and Camilla marrying after their scandelous affair that ended both of their marriages???
Originally Answered: What a great shame, a royal prince is marrying an actress who was divorced before, does it make any sense at all?
I’m truly sorry if somehow the news shattered your hopes and dreams. To be honest, my whole world crumbled for the whole 5 minutes. Every single girl was born to believe that they deserve a
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