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In many ways, Geisha Monroe and Mandy Morbid are typical Twitch streamers — they’re gamers who share their play experiences with an online following. They cosplay, they collect game-related memorabilia, they tweet Overwatch memes. And like most streamers, Twitch isn’t their job. But what does pay their bills makes them unusual among Twitch streamers: They’re cam performers.
If you don’t know much about camming, the concept is similar to streaming on Twitch — only instead of playing a game, the performer, usually a woman, gets naked. But like streaming, camming is also about much more than that. Fans tune in because they want to interact with and support performers, just like they would for their favourite Twitch streamers.
Despite the constant cries of “camwhore” and “fake gamer girls” that follow female streamers, performers such as Monroe and Morbid stream on Twitch for the same range of reasons that everyone else does. I spoke with them about how streaming and camming are similar, how they diverge, and what platforms like Twitch can learn from the history of cam sites.
Geisha Monroe getting ready to stream on Twitch
Camming has been around since webcams existed, much longer than the concept of streaming games — MyFreeCams, one of the largest cam sites currently in operation, was launched in 2002. Twitch’s predecessor, Justin.tv, didn’t launch until 2007. And since those early days, platforms have sprung up to streamline the setup, viewing and payment processes on camming sites, making things easier for both performers and audiences in exchange for a cut of all transactions.
Putting aside the specifics of the performance involved, it’s hard to distinguish between the two jobs. They’re both forms of online labour based around cultivating and monetising a personal following. The platform itself is owned by someone else, and that proprietor makes money off ads and transaction cuts. Twitch and cam sites are only becoming more similar over time.
For instance, MyFreeCams uses a token system. Users buy tokens in advance and can then award them to performers as tips in public chats, or spend them on public or private shows. The price of tokens varies from around $US0.08 to $US0.10 ($0.10 to $0.12), and performers receive $US0.05 cents ($0.06) per token earned. Earlier this year, Twitch rolled out the Affiliate Program , which presents a large proportion of streamers with an in-platform way to monetise their channels. Under the new system, viewers buy “Bits” from Twitch, then use them to “Cheer” a streamer. The cheered streamer gets $US0.01 per bit, which cost about $US0.013 to buy from the platform.
By putting an in-house tip system within the reach of a larger number of users, Twitch has laid the groundwork for more streamers — not just Twitch partners — to monetise their performance. Doing so typically requires keeping a regular schedule, building up a distinct persona, and keeping in touch with fans, all of which are old and familiar strategies for being a successful cam performer, too.
Morbid says she feels a pressure to be entertaining while streaming on Twitch similar to what she experiences while camming. She gets anxious before going on stream, just like she does before going on cam, and feels she has to establish a rapport with the people in the chat, regardless of the platform.
Monroe currently receives tips from her streaming outside of the bits system but says that she doesn’t make much from it. As a result she doesn’t consider it work in the same way as camming, and treats it mostly as a leisure activity. “If my viewers want to come and hang out while I stream,” she says, “they know it’s just for a good time and I don’t expect anything from them but their company.” Morbid doesn’t currently monetise her stream but her viewers frequently suggest she does, and she hopes to be partnered with Twitch someday.
In Monroe’s estimation, most of her Twitch followers come from the audience she built while camming. While streaming, her audiences tend to be less focused on her and more on the game, and she deals with fewer trolls — but this may be in part because she alters her appearance between the two activities. She tends to keep her Twitch streaming attire to “nerdy T-shirts or tank tops” that avoid showing off too much cleavage, with minimal makeup. This contrasts with the more risqué outfits and darker makeup she wears while camming.
Morbid occasionally has to remind her Twitch stream viewers that she isn’t there to discuss her occupation and that she won’t tolerate anything too vulgar in the chat. She feels the social situation of streaming is a little more well-defined, so that viewers are more interactive. Here she suggests there’s a sense of “not knowing what to say to a naked girl” in cam chats, creating a dynamic where some viewers want to watch without interacting in any way.
Monroe feels that cam sites typically have a better sense of what the performer wants in terms of payouts, customer service and reliability, and that they’re better at ensuring audience accountability. As an example, she cites receiving false PayPal payments from Twitch viewers which she was not covered for. Camming sites generally act as intermediaries for all transactions and have strict rules for refunds, meaning that chargebacks — in which viewers send money then request it back — are uncommon. Twitch, meanwhile, has had an ongoing problem with the chargeback phenomenon . Twitch’s rollout of the affiliate system brings it in line with cam sites by acting as an intermediary, and reducing the potential for this kind of activity — with the added bonus for Twitch of getting transaction fees that would otherwise go to PayPal.
Monroe also argues that cam sites’ content rules are less open to interpretation. For instance, MyFreeCams disallows cam performers from depicting fisting and lactation, with most violations constituting immediate bans from the platform. This is fairly common for sites that deal in pornographic content and are concerned about the legality of what they’re hosting. Conversely, Monroe says Twitch can declare something pornographic without proof of even mild explicitness, leading to confusing bans.
Twitch’s Community Guidelines state that “Nudity and conduct involving overtly sexual behaviour and/or attire are prohibited”, a statement much less clear than MyFreeCams’ banning of specific acts. For instance, Zoie Burgher was banned from Twitch last year for sexually explicit content, even after she says she stopped streaming in a bikini. Monroe herself once had a temporary ban placed on her account because her attire was considered “pornographic”, prompting her to think more carefully about her presentation while streaming. The question of what kind of content is allowed on Twitch has been a contested one for game developers as well, with developers such as Robert Yang often finding their work summarily banned from the platform.
Despite the stigma directed at sex workers, Morbid feels that camming is more accepted than streaming as “real work”, maybe because there’s an offline analogue — you’re a “digital stripper”, as she puts it. Streaming is a newer practice and doesn’t have the same kind of equivalent. The idea of playing games while other people watch, much less making money from it, is still a very strange idea for some.
Of course, camming is hardly considered legitimate work by everyone , especially when the idea of women getting paid in part for their sex appeal still enrages some people . To fully explore the deep and complex phenomenon of whore shaming is beyond the scope of this article , but suffice it to say that women are not generally making “easy money” streaming, all sex work involves a significant amount of behind-the-scenes labour, and societal ire seems to be the strongest when women decide to directly profit from patriarchal imperatives about appearance and sexuality.
In this light, it’s easier to understand the arguments around what constitutes “legitimate work” that perennially circle both camming and streaming. It’s also why the most effective arguments against the notion of “camwhores” are those that refuse to divide women into “legitimate” and “illegitimate” streamers or workers. The experiences of people who both stream and cam makes a case for even broader allegiances, not just between all streamers regardless of their style, but between streamers and sex workers such as cam performers. The arguments many streamers face regarding whether their work is “real” echo those that cam performers have been dealing with for years.
Increasingly, both camming and streaming involve participating in a closed digital workplace in which performers conform to the platform’s rules and norms or else risk ejection. This can have benefits for workers — for instance, removing some of the vulnerabilities that come from directly engaging in transactions with viewers — but puts performers at the mercy of the platform. As long as Twitch’s Community Guidelines remain nonspecific, this places some female streamers, whose bodies are seen as inherently sexual, in a precarious position.
Do the subscribers/general audience in camming sites bitch as much as most of the gaming community these days??? I’d imagine most would keep quiet about them watching those type of shows…
On the other hand, in the last 2-3 years it feels like I’ve seen the twitch community complain about almost everything under the sun…
I bet the sleazy cam watching community is 1000% more polite and friendly than the toxic autist gaming community.
I agree, gaming community is horrible at the moment, filled with entitled little kids that want everything to go their way.
It’s also filled with functional normal people, dishonest idealists and every other sort of person you can find.
I swear people pretend like they have never been on the Internet.
Nope, its just another Internet community, same dynamics and same kinds of people.
Man that’s disappointing. Nerf boob Kaplan.
Wrong! Its not like twitch / toxic gaming community. Its mostly supportive and nice people. I barely ever run into jerks while camming yet on twitch there is an abundance of them. I think its because people on camming sites are trying to be happy and look for something they enjoy (you know to get off to) yet people on twitch will go out of their way to find channels they don’t like and enter those just to be mean or rude.
“Toxic autist” As someone who has autism, Let me just say that you’re an idiot, Practice what you preach.
I’m not a proctologist, But i know an arsehole when i see one.
Just like I can spot the spastics I suppose
Yes! The camming community is a MILLION times more respectful and positive than the gaming/twitch community! I’m speaking from experience as a twitch streamer and cam model. I was a twitch streamer for over a year before I started camming. I expected a lot more hate on camming sites but was pleasantly surprised by the nice people.
Amazing to me that people think they can call other people ‘whores’ for providing a risqué but legitimate service while YouTube narcissists who act like fools are ‘celebrities’ idolised en masse.
The difference between eccentric and crazy is how much money you have.
Basically, and some of those people are bat shit insane who idolise YouTubers. Like i’m a fan of quite a few of the tech channels, but holy shit the communities are toxic as fuck, there’s always this vocal lot in them that worship whoever it is, and it’s like the fuck? I’m sure even the YouTuber must get weirded out by this at times. Like there’s showing your support by watching/liking videos & buying merch or whatever, but then there’s obsessed who go out of their way to know every single detail about their life, which is fucking creepy.
But a lot of the abuse the cam models get is pretty nasty, to the point where it’s like, why am I doing this, people are just awful. But saying that I have a few friends who used to cam, some for a living, some did it just to increase their income because they had a regular 9-5 job or they already worked in the adult industry & it was just an extension of their job which they could do from the comfort of their own home whenever they wanted.
I was reading an article a few months ago, Australia’s top cam model is this chick in Melbourne she apparently earns close to 500k a year from her job, which is just insane. But that’s the good side of it, then there’s the horrible nasty people, and there’s lots of them.
Here’s the article in question, I was pretty fascinated they earn that much. All I could think though, it must be hard work to get to that point where your income per month is probably more than most people make in a year. I wish someone would pay me that much to be on web cam every day LOL.
Which is insane considering whore as an insult is just another case of uninvolved parties using words incorrectly and taking offence to the use.
(I’m not even sure the word celebrity is treated all that positively these days either though ha ha)
Yeah yeah, feminism blah blah blah, be a victim, blah blah blah, Trump is bad, blah blah blah, hate white men blah blah blah
There you go. I gave you a downvote, because I realised that noone else had yet. And if nobody downvotes your comment how are you going to bitch about “SJW and Lefties are ruining the world, Trump’s not bad, just misunderstood” and about how I inevitably “twisted your comments” But hey man, great work bringing that into this comment section that had nothing to do with it in the first place. Now you can complain about me pigeon holing you and passing judgement on your comments, even though I totally “misunderstood” your obviously well thought out points without having any real information about you as a person.
Although I thought the “blah, blah blah’s” were particularly well thought out and eloquent!
Anyway, you’re welcome! Enjoy your echo chamber.
Yours sincerely,
Your Friendly, Neighbourhood “SJW”, Obama Loving, PC Gne Mad Lefty Scum.
Feel free to add some more appropriate insults to that list right there.
And have a great day.
Do male Twitch streamers every worry about (or get accused of) being too sexy when they stream? What if they wear a tight shirt, or stream without a shirt on at all?
absolutely not. Massive double standard. Perpetuated by insecure, mal adjusted and entitled young men. As usual.
A male cannot have their nipple showing on stream. So some people have to worry about what they wear.
“…suffice it to say that women are not generally making “easy money” streaming, all sex work involves a significant amount of behind-the-scenes labour… ”
Is this a joke? Maintaining a twitter page and recording videos of yourself riding a dildo that you sell to your viewership now constitutes ‘significant’ labor? I did a brief camming stint (I’m a guy) and it was the easiest money I’ve made in my life.
You do you bo. If you can make a living having fun with your bits on cam, more power to you.
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The topic of girls on twitch has resurfaced again and this time it's more widespread than ever due to the IRL and creative sections. But what is the REAL issue here, if at all?
Note that I'm not, nor ever did insult any of these streamers, this isn't a witch hunt, these are just people who are by-products of their environment, understand that while these girls are the face of the streams, they can only exist when the viewers and staff allow them to. There's nothing wrong with having a patreon or snapchat or cosplay goals in principle, but it can alter the identity of the site if the rules are too lenient.
Thank you to all my Patrons!
Starr
Silphet
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Tactical
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Gavin
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Coskun
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Rollinstein
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Leilu
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Uli
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