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So far, so typical. This happens all the time. But this year seemed stranger because it never seemed to make any sense. A good group of players, a rock-solid defence, transitioning opposition, and crucially, empty stadia when they travelled. Beating France at the death in may well have been impressive, but the game meant nothing. By far the more important game was Ireland, and Scotland fear Ireland the way props fear vegetables. Beating Australia looks good on paper, but everyone beat Australia. Vengeance against Japan at sounds nice, but Ireland threw 60 past them and only conceded 5. Did anyone who watched those matches really think Scotland were in a position to contend with these teams? Wilful naivete. But England were very bad. A win by any means still smells as sweet. So on to Wales. Wales, as everyone now realises, are terrible at rugby. If there are still any who feel it unfair to label their success last year as a Jam Slam, has some notes for you. Weeks later, even Italy would. Next up France, and far too many people who should know better were happy to write this off as a valiant loss to the best side in the world. Excuse moi, mais non. France were, for sure, at times pretty damn great to behold. Then there was Italy. A team Scotland should have thrashed. Do not let their joyous win against Wales deceive you. Everyone else does it. Why are Scotland so uniquely suited in Tier One rugby to making Italy look like contenders? Scotland fell off this game so hard and fast Italy almost won the damn thing. It ended against Ireland at the Aviva. Scotland stood surrounded by three stands and a greenhouse filled with Dubliners and defecated in full view of the entire world. Romeo and Juliet is a tragedy. Scotland is something else entirely. Well when so much of your gameplan is predicated on the notion that Finn Russell gonna do Finn Russell things, you really have to hope he does that, because as was made staggeringly clear when he was replaced by Blair Kinghorn against Ireland, there is no Plan B. Russell had a terrible tournament. Was he out of shape? Well given that we should have moved on from that nonsense by now, it seems more likely. Stuart Hogg has been terrible. That would have been That would have been a different game. The captain butchered it, and not for the first time. Quite how Kyle Steyn got two games in a row on the wing is a mystery, but it seems unlikely to happen again given how badly he played in them. Zander Fagerson remains a penalty waiting to happen, Ali Price has been running hot and cold, Darcy Graham seems determined to run into every opposition player on the field, Duhan Van der Merwe has all the higher rugby brain function of a PlayStation 2 character… Too harsh? Perhaps but we need to be exactingly clear on this. There are no positives to take from this tournament, and scrambling about in the dirt to find them is demeaning. It was terrible. But if failure is the best tutor, Scotland should be fielding PhDs in the future. First up, they can never again afford a Jamie Ritchie injury. The man must be protected at all costs. More than that, make him captain when he returns. Ritchie is going to be around long after Hogg has gone and leads by example, bloodying his brow at the first opportunity in the thick of the action as his position dictates. He can be the rock this team builds on for the next two World Cup cycles. France spent their game against Scotland playing silly-billy in their lineouts, holding the man up for far too long and after Scotland three times in a row conceded penalties for taking the man in the air, a change should have come. The penalties continued. Would things have been different if the Scotland captain was actually in the lineout and knew exactly what was going on? One can only hope so. Far beyond the lineout however, discipline has been all but absent all tournament. Again this speaks to lack of leadership. It shows a failure to adapt to and influence referees, and a breakdown of very basic rugby skills. The game may be complicated to the average person on the street; these men live it and have no excuses for not following the laws. Of course this lack of discipline extends off the field as well. And what of Gregor Townsend; where does this leave him? But none of this looks good for him. This is not an amateur game. It is a professional sport. In either case, public scrutiny for once is warranted. Scotland can be better than this, yes. But the stark truth is that right now they are not, and there have been no signs of anything but regression. The poor results this year are a direct reflection of the poor performances Scotland have turned in. Far too often this year they have reminded us of the Bad Old Days of a decade ago and beyond. When they were far too easily seen as the worst Tier One nation in the world. Wales are terrible at rugby. But Scotland are something else entirely. Sadly I have to agree with your assessment. I say sadly because I agree the SRU will do nothing about Townsend until after another 4th or 5th place in next years 6N and another group exit in the WC. What you omitted to mention is that one of the reasons we struggle is that we are weak in 4 positions in the pack, TH 2nd row and no. What you also failed to mention is that potentially we have the best backline in the 6N unfortunately Townsend fails to pick them. The fact that Steyn , Kinghorn, Johnson and Harris were selected on Saturday is grounds enough for Townsend to be binned. In short, currently Scotland play better with him in the team than not. Johnson is a very consistent performer. Similar can be said of Harris. To me there is a clear lack of creativity in midfield, when they play. It gives opposition one less area to focus on. In his short appearances he looks a difference maker. We at least need to recognize his type of player and have a back up to that and stick with it imo…chopping and changing per opposition does not really work. Its tricky because I think the back selections are broadly right and they are the best available in their position apart from Steyn, Vellacott unlucky too but despite being endlessly talked up by themselves and the coaches their decision making and handling skills and contact are letting them down something rotten. It felt like almost all the backs made a hash of something at the weekend. Glad they had one of the best training weeks ever. GT fatigue? Correct both locks. When was the last time we has a world class lock. And yes perhaps mentioning Johnson in that group was a little harsh. The closest current player imo.. If not him.. That should get your circulation figures up. No, no need to thank me. What a great piece! We were just clueless across the entire board. Finn and Hogg look physically and mentally exhausted. This is the challenge of not having centrally contacted players like the Irish. Finn clearly needs a break. And I do feel the last 2 years of the pandemic have been tough on players, especially with the bubbles. But ultimately the mistakes on the pitch and the mistakes by the coaches fall on them. Some kind of reset or deep intake of breath is needed. Toonie needs to decide on a consistent game plan and make consistent selections. The Tombola must go. Stop being so defensive. Recognize you must be better. The bar visit is the last straw. Grow up or go away. Be professional. The penalties and countless mistakes are on the players. Talk about standard is cheap. You have to do it. You have to want it. And yes, Richie for captain. It was obvious in when he was the only player against Japan to stand up. Build around him. Ireland players look fresh every match…for that very reason. I agree that there is a fair bit of filler at both clubs, without being mean, mediocre players with neither a future nor a past in dark blue. I presume they are good for the budget…. Yeah … we need to think outside the box just to get parity.. Im not a fan of paying for too many overseas players to supposedly keep our clubs competitive during test series and comps. We might as well have developed youth in those positions.. I think they only beat England as they hated England more than each other. Either the mindset needs to change — which may involve some difficult conversations — or, if they cannot change, the toxic elements have to go. Townsend clearly cannot fix it. Hard to see how they can replace him given team look uncoachable. Best bet is bring in some kind of conflict resolution specialist. Or therapist. Or that lady from cheer, who would have benched all 3 of hogg price and Russell, told them firmly it was for their own good and kept them there until they got their heads sorted. Genuine question: Have any of our players been the same since the Lions? Price, maybe? Against Italy at least. The rest have been pretty abject. Hogg, Russell, Fagerson and Watson look half the players that went out. The Kinghorn experiment, while interesting, needs to end and he needs moved back to the position he was so good in a few years ago. Hopefully his time at 10 will have helped work on the deficiencies he showed at fb lack of vision, poor first-up tackling and he and Smith can each get a run out there. Would like to see Mclean back and Kyle Rowe given a shot. Hogg needs to be removed from captaincy, which it seems he has, and it given to Ritchie. Also would like an inquiry into why our defence and scrum have gone from positions of strength bordering on weapons, to weaknesses. First time in a while I was wishing the 6N was over with two rounds left to play. Last year was our best chance in the 6N era of winning the thing. If Duhan had gone over at the death against Wales, and everything else had stayed the same, we would have done it. If they think that is the level we need to perform at then we are more f….. This is a golden generation on talent — quality starter and coverage in every position and in terms of personnel it seems about to peak. Too many players have been discarded or offended randomly, the dressing room has gone, tactics redundant and results flatter to deceive after a WC everyone has kindly chalked off. General consensus seems to be a change of coach — there are less sides looking at the moment so it IS the time to attract maybe a top club coach who wants a guaranteed step up to national level or return to tried and tested BBVC. A feel good wave, inject some fun into things and see if the honeymoon period yields any surprises as major underdogs. Maybe Blair takes it on after this if the head coach wants pastures new. To complete the picture, Ritchie, Watson or Darge to captain every game: captain, vice captain and captain in waiting — all working with each other. Succession planning might help grow some leaders in the right places. I liked Vern Cotter he was making progress and creating a team and he had less talent and depth of resources. At the time putting Townsend was a decision based on a concern that he was going to go South to manage rugby. Scotland have never recovered from that decision. Did he have that much less depth and talent? Always find that slightly difficult to asses given where players can be in their career. Also, results might beg to differ as to the success of that group of forwards despite the cumulative talent in there…. Come on Rory, bit of critical thinking please. Unfortunately the comparison with the backs would be very different and would stir up some memories best forgotten. However the original point was to illustrate how wild these remarks about a golden generation are. Backs, vastly improved. Forwards have declined. Jason White was the archetypal captain and Brown was in the same mould. Giants among men in every sense. Ross Rennie and Simon Taylor were absolutely outstanding talents too often missed through injury admittedly but unbelievable players. Dickinson who was a top, top loosehead for a long period and Scott Murray who was peerless at the lineout. Current pack? Schoeman is very good and might join them. Two hookers that can hook. The incoming Dempsey and most improved Fagerson. Some golden age thinking right here. Absolutely agree, we need him back or a similarly respected coach from the Southern Hemisphere. I would also drop Hogg and Russell, whatever they think they should respect the coach and fellow players. None of this ill discipline off the field would have happened under Cotter. The Toonie Tombola is a joke which is also sadly reality. The best Scottish teams in the past have been settled, taken a few big defeats but held together got the experience and won Grand Slams. Double down on the point that the scrum never functioned with any consistency until Nel came along. Chunk was good on the other side but often injured and early career Dickinson was not as good as late career Dickinson — who did his best work with Nel incidentally who qualified after Murray had retired — so your depth at tighthead is a fabrication. Prior to Cuttitta and back to Frank Hadden, and then to turn of the century, it was a pretty sorry story on the whole — guessing that is long before you were born. As for hooker, there is no need to re-hash the long-standing debates about Ford. Maybe you will waive the odd game against Australia, or wooden spoon confounding win against Ireland but they were exceptions to the rule. And Ford for all his faults was a potent scrummager. Cross and Low as his understudies, yep drop off but nae much worse than Berghan and better than Sebastian or Rae. Riiiiiight, who is Craig who frequented the front row for Scotland — lol did you watch this era or read names on a page? Irrespective, to your point, you are saying, Scotland only struggled in the pack between Tom Smith loosehead and Euan Murray tighthead , ie despite actually finishing 3rd that year and beating both France and England ; Cuttitta was appointed in for no reason; and Scotland were not bullied out of both Murray and Ford playing and WCs Murray chose not to play by Argentina. Back to the starting point of all this — once the golden generation of J Gray, Hogg, Russell have gone that is a missed opportunity for Scotland and do not see anyone coming along who will fill their boots. Nel, being the cornerstone at tighthead, is very much part of that generation for Scotland but is at least transitioning to Fagerson. This is the last World Cup where that group is still in their peak years apart from Nel who is still good enough to do a half against the best sides in the world. The issue was the turgid gameplan that seemed to bank on Dan Parks kicking in play and Paterson kicking penalties because our backs were so limited. At a loss how anyone who has often watched these players, not just for their International team, but also club sides can claim this is a golden generation, relevant to the utter dross Scotland have served up in the past, yes they are better than some groups, but it is a very, very low water mark which by no means makes them golden. I think the comparator is the other generations of Scottish players playing at the top level — to be considered golden for our purposes! This is a group that has variously had: club success at top clubs Saracens, Exeter and even Glasgow in Europe and domestically; outstanding pockets of games against other international sides and the southern hemisphere which includes what should have been a run to WC semi under the old regime ; unprecedented Lions representation; best ever U20s WC who can forget the Darcy try ; and two players who have legitimate claim to be in the top 3 in their position in the world, one of whom just happens to play fly half for the club side with biggest budget in the world. How many of this squad were part of that Glasgow team for instance? I can tell you, 3, the others who play for Glasgow and Edinburgh now have been involved in the same general stumbling about failure to grab the gold displays Scotland get themselves involved in when the pressure really comes on and it really starts to matter in Europe AND the league. There are as many winners in an utterly flogged and now over the hill Welsh side now as there is in the Scotland one, probably more in all honesty given Scarlets won the title, way way after that Glasgow team, who won it when? The FB who, when his side have needed to win gold has been dropped before.. There is no golden generation. But Toony needs to make a radical decisions to prune some very experienced players now to make room for 15 green shoots to grow. They have won zip that matters…. He is one of those players you could easily put together a great highlights real…but for me he lacks the composure needed to win anything of note. His mistakes often come from being greedy and selfish in possession. His many mistakes have cost Scotland at critical junctures of critical games. Someone on here asked after the Wales game for discipline stats for each player during the 6N: We averaged 12 penalties per match. Needs to be in single figures for us to be competitive. Of those that played more than 60 minutes our worst offender was unsurprisingly Zander with 7 penalties — an average of one per 38 minutes played. Nel was just as bad if not worse, though with 6 at one per 25 minutes. Turner and Gilcho were the next worst offenders on 5 every 46 and 74 minutes respectively. The cleanest forward was Darge. No penalties over minutes, which as a flanker is impressive. Compare that with Ritchie who gave away 2 penalties in the 60 minutes he was on the pitch. In the backs Hogg and Graham were worst with 4 each, both having played the full minutes of the series Inc injury time. Price is our cleanest back, with just a single penalty in minutes. Finn was similar but his penalty came with a yellow card! Z Fagerson is a liability. Will still be in development when he He plays because we are ridiculously short at TH. Our best next up is a player is well past his prime. Both natural top test level players with a winning attitude. Penalties happen particularly when scrambling in defence and at scrum time when you can be correct and dominant but penalised. Did Nel do any stupid penalties? I doubt it. Did Zander? I remember 3 obvious ones right away that were less than braindead. Why do them? It added nothing at all? Turner diving off his feet in Italy was crazy and the sealing off when we were dominant I think against Wales by Christie when he just came on was criminal. We are arguably the top of the second tier of the 6 teams at present and but a few moments and ref decision from winning a grand slam in Mistakes happen tries will be lost and chances not taken. But as in the penalties its the reason behind them. You make a team decision throughout the match and take offence like Edwards does in losing a try and keep ur head. This year is different…. Autumn looked good from my view because we won without playing well which is crucial at times for a winning team but we have now won 5 matches from 9 and have we played well in any of them truthfully? That is worrying. Fix stupid pens and team decisions and we have a team to compete. TH is the position of most concern for me. Maybe but cant help but feel that Fagerson will do well in a team which is performing and in good spirits — he certainly has phenomenal experience for a TH of his age which is half the battle; Nel did a job against England which is not to be overly sniffed at. He also struggled with the Lions in the summer. Yep, cupboard is super-bare at TH, especially with both Kebble and McCallum opting for loosehead for their clubs this season. Javan Sebastian anyone? Chris, what a fantastic article, wish I could have written it. We are indeed in a sorry place. I have been following Scottish rugby for over 30 years and like many, did think we at last had a Golden generation of players who could perhaps achieve something good and perhaps win our first 6N. Sadly, after this years performances ,I feel we are no nearer now than previously. I stopped going to international matches some time ago as wins in my presence were rare as hens teeth and instead took to watching behind the sofa. I fear now even this is too much and am considering getting behind another sport. I am fed up with watching our professional players do the wrong thing at the wrong time , give away needless penalties or simply fail to show the aggression which our Welsh and Irish cousins bring to the party. As an aside, Hogg has had a mixed bag as captain but I am surprised at the number of posters who seem to think Ritchie is the answer. Has he any proven experience in the post to suggests he is the answer, if not the weight of responsibility can implode a player as happened to Jonny Gray at Glasgow. Never a captain either. Hogg is emotionally too unstable to be a captain. Fans are shouting for Richie as there is very few standout candidates, who are guaranteed a place. Richie can be a bit aggresive IMO. He seems calm, not the most dynamic however mature enough for the role. For me the choice is Ritchie based not just on on-field performance Watson is also excellent, for example, having clocked something like his two millionth successful tackle in a row at the weekend , but also his mentality. He has an aggression which is too often lacking in Scotland players Gray is a good example — great worker but seems to lack the belligerent ruthlessness that leads to success for so many other teams , and behind the scenes his personal life and attitude seem to contribute to a maturity that belies his years. Completely agree re Ritchie, been saying it for a while: Captain! I also think Cummings has that edge, and Schoeman looks like he has some leadership too. A forward captain may also fix Russell to some extent who needs that solidity to play off. Hogg needs to work on his game, and his humility, he overestimates his talents which, though prodigious, are not enough; teams win games. He is a truly awful Captain. Oh to be a fly. Harsh but a fair assessment. The Wales game was the most troubling, as that is a bad Wales team in need of rebuilding. I would bet my wages that Hogg will be stripped of the captaincy. Albeit he should resign. Not so much the error in judgement on going out on the town but became he is not a leader and is not an inspirational source for a very flat team. That is clear. His selfish decision to go for the line at a pivotal moment is an indictment. After making the decision not to throw the pass he had to score. I have generally believed that forwards are better captains. There are exceptions but not many. Therefore Ritchie, Gilchrist are the favourites. The SRU should never of hired him so early in his managerial career. He was still learning, and well has now stopped learning and looks lost. How many backline options will he try, players have no chance with the complete lack of selection consistency. But I fear that Townsend will stay until after the world cup which will invariably be another failure. I was hoping that defeat against Ireland it was always about how many points would have been bigger to force SRUs hand. I think Gilchrist would have become a very good captain from when Cotter was HC. Ritchie is the obvious candidate. I an see Darge and M Fagerson being future captains too. Yeah if my memory serves me correct Vern appointed Gilchrist captain as soon as he took charge but then Laidlaw stepped in after Gilchrist got injured. Although he was a ponderous SH I though Laidlaw did a decent job as captain and seemed to have good leadership attributes. I am wondering, as WRU struggles to sustain four clubs, and we struggle to find opportunities to develop talent with just two…if there is value to be gained from some arrangement for a shared URC team based somewhere there is actually some rugby money. Would that be feasible? Went from highest try scoring meanest defence last 2 6 nations to mince. Players not liking new gameplan? Ali Price — apart from Italy game v inferior opposition Slow pass from breakdown, endless box kicks giving away possession. Compare and contrast with speed and play of Gibson Park on Sat. What would Russell do with that speed of ball and line breaks by scrum half? Thought Gibson-Park was exceptional at the weekend and provided a stark contrast in speed. He is quick to the breakdown, but he is also often mistake ridden and can be a bit of a headless chicken. Then he played with the Lions and I saw what others did. The issue for me is that Toonie is very loyal to his starting nine and rarely gives the competition a chance to improve. Vellacott was a breath of fresh air in the minutes he played against Italy, and Ben White has impressed too. Excellent article if I still disagree with parts. But it had to be said and all ppl involved in the first team would do well to read this. Mistakes and penalties happen but if you watch Ireland they make honest ones and professional ones that have to happen to their overall advantage…. Wales are not terrible at rugby. One of our problems imho is that we have a messed up perception of our level in relation to other teams. What has amazed me about this 6N is that we do not have a single comment written with positive platitudes worth checking the meaning of that word- it says it all. Every year we get some in trying to diffuse the passion. Not one , yet we should have! Have we witnessed MORE: less obvious selections, un-forced changes to teams, players sent back to club, players brought in to the squad, players frozen out of the squad, new caps tested, poor decision making on the pitch, ego clouding judgement, breaches in protocol. As for the breaches of protocol, easy , leave them out this summer. We are deluded if we think we cannot do without those guys. The top teams do the basics very well. How many try scoring opportunities were missed by simple passes not going to hand? Compare how Ireland and France look after the ball at the breakdown, how many opportunities did Watson, Darge get to jackal? Very few. Leading to increasing penalty count. The Lions should be rested over the summer. All this talk about the World Cup being only 18 months away. Who really cares. I think we need to forget this nonsense about building towards the World Cup. Before that we have another 6 nations to endure and unless we undertake change now we will be having a similar debate next year at this time. Quite frankly the Toonie tombola cannot continue. The nonsense he spouts in after match press conferences has to be brought to an end. Toonie has to go. He is in a results driven business and the results have been poor. I have seen no progress since the last World Cup. The senior players in the squad need to up their game. Younger players need to start showing what their made of and they need to look at what the top players in the world in their position do to reach and remain at the top. The culture within the squad and the SRU needs to change. Mediocrity is no longer acceptable to the paying public. If not , why not? If they do why are thy selected for the national team? I do think that our pack needs a relaunch and an alternative to Richie must be Skinner. Skinner has been at the heart of the Exeter pack for the past 5 years after being captain of a Bucs winning Exeter Uni side. He knows what makes a tough pack and he is coming up to Edinburgh to build his career so I think lets give him the critical 2nd row and skipper role. Can we get Gray some tattoos? I actually think Argentina tour is perfect timing.. Lions can stay at home and we can get some game time into Vellacott and Hastings and a fullback option Smith or Kinghorn and centres hutch, Bennett, redpath, … I might start to enjoy watching Scotland again … until the 1st penalty!! IMac : Townsend opened by saying how the Lions experience would be beneficial to Scotland. Nah : just more superfast talk. Skinner is captain material. Lions out but Duhan should tour. Ashman at hooker, Skinner at lock and Ritchie at 6 is the spine we should build the pack around in my opinion. Yes I agree on Skinner …again though…. I remember the tour of Argentina where G Horne and Hastings were on fire and we played some great attacking stuff down there. I think the hard pitches suit a fast attacking style of play. They allow us to retain our players in the six nations gap weeks the tournament which matters. Look after our players. Be consistent with selection in the six nations! Swapping an entire front-row for Wales… why?!. Picking an outside Centre at Inside centre, who also has less than 5 caps… in the Six Nations… why?!. Playing a recently converted 15 now 10 against one of the in form world teams… why?! Look at Kolisi, could be making a fortune abroad instead he would rather represent his country and communities and make less money. The players embraced that style of expressive play, they do not look happy with this boring style of play these days. Give the players more free reign to enjoy themselves without going overboard. Improve the culture. Meihuizen recently retired from rugby due to repeated concussions, not to mention he never opted to play for Scotland. That does happen, ontopofthemoon is a decent reference for how much Townsend attempts to grow depth. It was a disappointing 6N and understandable that it has provoked a great deal of disenchantment. In my opinion though, Scottish rugby has much bigger problems. Italy has recently fixed its youth system and will soon be reaping the results. Our u20s have meanwhile plumbed new depths of uncompetitiveness. I understand covid has had a serious financial impact, but we should be enjoying new funding streams from CVC etc. A lot of spot-on points there Chris. And if Italy can get Polledri and Minozzi fit again, and keep bringing through talented youth players, this Wales game could just be the start of them posing a much more significant challenge for other 6 nations teams. I think key players have a lot of responsibility to shoulder, in particular the 3 leaders in the backline, and would agree Ritchie has to be named captain. There are massive coaching and game plan issues as well, however. The breakdown and attacking lineout have been struggles throughout the tournament, our lineout in particular often seems to turn to jelly when we are in the opposition danger zone, and we have relied on more and more unorthodox methods to raise our success rate as the championship has gone on. Our attack in general is incredibly anaemic. The France and Ireland games this year is an indication that this will no longer suffice. Add in that teams seem to have worked the defence out to an extent, that the defence has not been adapted to new laws see the number of s we conceded and teams working out that they can neuter our kicking game by putting it into touch, and we look pretty silly. The ironic thing is the gameplan we chucked away when it was still being developed is fairly similar to how Ireland and France are now playing — high intensity, attacking rugby; while we are playing closer to how the best teams did years ago. GT is going nowhere at this point anyway, so hopefully he can improve the situation. Appointing Ritchie as captain would be a good start. The centres need a complete rethink as well. If he is unavailable, Hutchinson is the closest direct replacement. Johnson is an excellent all rounder but if Harris is outside him teams simply do not need to worry about what our centres can do. I agree in that when we hired Tandy our defense improved exponentially.. GT went from focusing too much on attack.. Dropping a tier…lack of quality opposition and development …not even at the right fitness levels to compete. We should leave the bevvy merchants at home. I cannot wait to see them sidelined and a team built on tour. I might actually get enthusiastic once again and be more forgiving of Toony. Do it , close the door and leave it closed on all of drinking buddies. A new clean cut, well led, unselfish, Scottish Team is needed now. So after all the moaning and demanding Toonie is sacked who do people think Scotland should try to replace him with, who is a realistic candidate in the short term? Pat Lam has gone a long way since he left us. Now appointed Director of Rugby and signed a 5 year deal. I am not convinced Toony is done yet. A guy who can survive this long , has something. I think he should have one last clear out before he goes. More concerning is the state of the grassroots game. The under 20s have been whitewashed for the second season in a row. The youth game needs a major review. A successful under 20s feeds into confident players so when the take the next step up to senior rugby they have that taste and belief of success. At this point without action now Italy will be surpassing us in a few years unfortunately. I think we should link up with them, under 20s Zebre, Bennetton, Glasgow and Edinburgh tournament, crossborder S6 and Italian league competition, pool our resources. This to me is the absolute nub of the matter. Comprehensive Schools played then, no attachment to a club, the sons no women back then playing from both rugby playing and non playing families were playing rugby at school. That is what is needed. University towns need to work on the follow through. Not everyone is going to play international rugby, we just need people playing , putting money in and bringing their kids up with an appreciation of the game. Attend a mini tournament around the Lothian area when they are next on…. Some speak about Rugby clubs like they are attended by 2 men and a dug, in a lot of areas, in particular with mini Rugby that is just complete nonsense. That was 10 clubs back then, self sustaining , with various tiers playing, now , just 4 clubs? There are loads of others , Corstorphine etc. We do have less people playing now. You just need to join the dots. Just in case you are thinking about it dont tell me how the east and west are different. Like it or not , the majority of the population are in Glasgow , if you want to see the game grow, there is your fertile ground. I am not sure what is happening North of the Forth but that was always a good rugby playing area as well. Where did I make any mention of East and West, what are you talking about and who are you even replying to with that? I am not denying numbers are down …. At a young age level in this country there are plenty of kids up and down the country playing Rugby each week up to P7 then there is generally a pretty massive fall away, that is the issue that needs addressed. The game has been given the platform to grow in Glasgow, and the Warriors over the years have generally reflected that and the platform of growth i. Sorry, I was obviously overstating the case. Based on average attendances at pro games, more than 3 times as many Irish people go to a rugby match, and more than twice as many Welsh people. Even though Scotland is bigger than both those countries in terms of population. The SRU have a huge amount to answer for there. But in terms of the fostering and development of interest in the game, people like you are being let down by those at the top. I am talking to you , shoooo. I am old enough to have witnessed the comprehensives playing and the drop off when they quit. That is the point , we do have less people combined at every tier playing today than when Scotland won The occasional Triple Crown on Grand Slam in those years. In 22 years of professional rugby we have won nada. The east west thing was just me anticipating your next point as I can only recall more sides that have been forced to amalgamate in the west that the east, however some have, so it is not just a drop off in the west of Scotland. You are correct you never mentioned it, I answered a question that was never asked as I could see it coming, if not you by someone. Talking of which :. You did, Very naughty. So just for the record, I never said that, YOU did and there was no need for that. I will add women and girls playing actually adds to my argument about how to grow the game. When Comprehensives played , boys who grew up thinking rugby was a game played by private schools and borderers , actually played rugby and probably, ultimately sent their kids to mini rugby. That is how the elitism of rugby was broken. However that vital grass roots feed in the comprehensives, to men and women who have had no background or family members or friends that play rugby, is now barren. Bear in mind the kids at mini rugby today were probably infiuenced by parents. It is really important that everyone at School level regardless of it being a fee paying or non fee paying school gets some appreciation of rugby. Scrum Millionaire: Thanks , glad we are ok on that. It is a great thing for rugby, it just arrived too slowly is my only gripe about the female game TBH. Long may it continue and grow. But that is not for here. There are points you are making that are valid Neddy but you are turning the horse into a bit a camel to be honest, you are replying to points no one has even made. Shoooo : Comprehensives do not play rugby any longer. When they did, every child attending School had an opportunity to play rugby. Your point is that today every child attending a rugby club has the opportunity to play rugby? Which I have never challenged! Everyone goes to school. Not everyone goes to the rugby club. I say there is a difference you are not convinced. I say that rugby is trying to win hearts and minds in the wrong place. Not a problem for me. I agree they, from the little I have seen, are well run and applaud those who get on and run the show. Grass roots rugby depends on enthusiastic parents and it is a selfless task. I am at a loss to what you are going on about or what points you are even replying to, you come across like a total Rugby Da TBH. Sadly we havent really challenged for anything for more than 20 years — taking longer to understand what professionalism meant didnt help, but all our false dawns show no sign of getting closer to greater times. You all know who you are. By way of contrast Townsend is still being called Toony! Both have their fans out there. The thing that keeps going through my mind is fast forward to next year. The 6 nations preview shows. So Scotland what do we think? Cue rolling of eyes, platitudes of talent we have etc. A lot of it , this year at least, honest. Then Groundhog day. Its so depressing and inevitable. What hope can we have and what message does it send that a leathering in Dublin and the coach actually suggests it was our best performance. Surely I am not alone in finding this completely staggering? What is the point of keeping GT to the next World Cup?. Can someone tell me what good this does? Achieved nothing and I do mean nothing. Happy to be corrected. He is inconsistent, fractious and I suspect egotistical. He can never be wrong. Keeping him is sleep walking into an early exit. This is all but guaranteed with Townsend, however. Time for Dobson and his cronies to earn their corn. GT might be a yes man in their eyes but employ someone with some nuts and better ability. After five years we need something different and so much better. His star can rise again. My final word on the debacle that was the 6N campaign — the BBC article on Rob Baxters take on the wee drink in Edinburgh, sensible, low key, pragmatic. Stating its a non issue caused by ambiguity. If Baxter is correct the Scottish camp did well to make a mountain out of a mole hill. That decision to replace Cotter with Townsend meant we look like a bit parochial on the world stage. Do a good job and your out. Do a bad job and you are in for life. Dodson is also an excellent CEO… reduced our debt. Scotland team compared to when he first took over is way better, Stadium are selling out, we have a semi-pro league now coming into play… the SRU are pushing to have a pro womens team in the English premiership now… why exactly do you want him replaced? Whether he leaves a positive legacy or not will in my opinion be determined by whether the youth system is turned around under him. At the moment it is more or less in crisis and in 5 years or so that could leave us slipping behind Italy, instead of pushing on to be a regular 6N contender. But we are not in a position to be complacent. His careless media comments in Japan resulted in World Rugby screwing us over with the seedings which will likely lead to another group exit. Without those careless comments, we would not have had the chance to qualify for the quarterfinals. You really think world rugby purposefully punished us with the seedings and it have nothing do with Covid and world-cup preparations? Neil : Iike you , am fed up listening to excuses and the language of victims. We lost the pool and frankly it was a ill thought out campaign. We arrived there burnt out trying to play the fastest rugby in the world, while taking guys like Duncan Taylor who was just not match fit while leaving others behind. All we had to do was come second in our pool and we met a Japanese side at home, on a high, while we could not get any continuity and had no settled side to build on. There was a lot going on , some of which could have been better. But we are not victims, it was in our own hands. If he was a skilled operator he would have sorted things out behind the scenes instead of blurting out threats to the media. The football world cup in Qatar starts this November and the draw is only made 5 months prior to that. Do me a favour. But for 80 minutes it was in our hands. I blame Toony, I see no point in fancy conspiracy theories, I prefer to make my mind up with what I can see. He got it wrong. On the assumption that nobody on here is an SRU place man some people are incredibly accepting and have a low benchmark of what signifies success. Dodson has achieved no more than any competent CEO would be expected to especially given his remuneration package. For the vast majority of people the success of rugby in Scotland is measured by the national team results. As others have said for what to many was inexplicable a guy who appeared to have brought some credibility back to the national team was binned for no obvious reason and the job handed on a plate to Townsend. We have endured 5 years of snakes and ladders rugby. For those fanboys who trumpet about his win rate being the best of any coach strip out all the meaningless friendlies and focus on competition games and the win rate plummets to a significantly lower figure. This is not reflective of success nor was Dodsons handling of world rugby which has seen us get shafted for the next WC although had the national team been successful enough to be in the top 8 in the world we would not face the mountainous task to get out of the group. When all is said and done both Dodson and Townsend have had a reasonable time in office. Neither have been a complete failure but neither have they been a success. Time to move on. Step up the alikadoos. John: with respect I do not believe it is tenable for Hogg to continue? He is not going to take the relinquishing of captaincy lightly and as a new captain , I would not like the old one around in these circumstances. It was pretty obvious he should have passed to his team against Ireland and the long pass which he knocked on against France , both times the ball should have gone through the teams hands. Tremendous win by Edinburgh, managed the game very well, was as wet as an otters pocket but throughally deserved their win. Lovely breaks by Bennett and Muncaster preceded 2 of the tries. Epic win by Edinburgh. Some performance by Kinghorn-two tries,astute kicking and put his body on the line. Muncaster was seriously impressive against a pack choc full of Springboks. Edinburgh impressed me today…Sharks ttried to outmuscle them …but failed. Kinghorn played really well. Muncaster looks a proper 8 in the making. Bennett played well too…actually they all did. Blair and co showed GT how you play against a physical SA team. What is that about! Scottish rugby matters , are Scottish Rugby matters. Is Hogg disgruntled? Is Rob Baxter questioning his choices on and off the field? That is a lot of strain for Hogg IMO. Did you see his post match interview after Ireland? He looked pretty disgruntled to me when asked about the night out in Edinburgh and his decision to go for the corner. I thought when I read it a few days back it was inappropriate comments by the Exeter coach. He also said more than he should have on the matter. He really comes accross as far to immature a man for his age and definitely not a team captain. Poor decision making off and on the field gave the journos plenty of ammunition to fire at him. The one thing that might motivate him to keep playing for Scotland is one last Lions tour in Australia. On Russell I do wonder if he will become the Scottish Cipriani. I have a feeling Toonie might want to give Kinghorn a run at He looked really good against the Sharks yesterday and showed great football skills in tough conditions for his second try. Danny Cipriani was trumpeted as the most talented player of his generation but his train wreck of a career has resulted in 16 caps despite debuting as a 20 year old. Whatever his faults, how do you imagine he could turn into our Cipriani??? There is a general feeling that considering his skill set and experience that he is underachieving. Cipriani totally tossed his career and achieved nothing worth mentioning…other than a modest amount of caps.. Russell needs to show more respect to rugby and get himself fit enough to actually look like a professional sportsman. He has skills that he is wasting because of his attitude. I think, with the RWC 18 months or so away, we are at a crossroads with him. I think GT saw this happening and hence seems to be moving towards developing Kinghorn. Fair enough. I agree that the Cipriani comparison was off the mark. He had a poor 6N by his standards and his body language just looked plain off. At Racing he has a free reign to play as he sees it on the pitch. He needs to improve his attitude with Scotland and show better body language if he wants to continue being our starting 10 otherwise Toonie may well decide to give Kinghorn a run. Cipriani comparison is not that far off the mark. Dont concede that so quick, Finn has done well but has a decision to make IMO. I think being forced to play in a way you are not happy with will ruin your career anyway, so I am not in the same place as other commenters on that matter. Baxter and Hogg. What is going on there? Anyone out there willing to break confidences? That one needs prodding IMO. Yeah Saint…I agree Russell totally seems to struggle with being told how to conduct himself on and off the pitch. I do wonder if joining Racing92 culture was the right move for Finn. They seem to have a group of talented players who never achieve what people think they should. I think a properly coached , disciplined Finn could be an outstanding world class 10…but things definitely have gone pear shaped with him. I honestly think Scotland will be a better overall team without Hogg and Finn…they have talent but just seem toxic to me. I know many will disagree a with that…but I do feel that. Whatever the reason, v few players go through their career without any significant dips in form, he looks exhausted as well as out of shape. After looking into this closely I feel he is being set up and should retain the captaincy. Rob Robertson? Why would the SRU be making Hogg a fall guy? He only has half a story which is not a story at all. Makes no sense. Not interesting to me , however thanks for sharing the tweet. Part of the issue Russel struggles with is, he is fat, for the level he is playing at he is without question fat and quite out of shape. You forgot to mention the skinny arms. Dan Biggar is nowhere Russell when it comes to natural ability and rugby brain but what Biggar does do well is work his backside off on the strength and conditioning side of things and make the most of what he has got. He is already is Scotland all time try scoring record holder. Mind you , the game has changed since he arrived. Hookers are the most likely people to rack numerous tries in a short duration these days. How the game has changed. None of the Lions tourists looked good, maybe with Jamie George and perhaps Itoje as exceptions in a dire English team; maybe with Biggar too. Furlong being taken apart by Genge is as good a proof as Hogg or Russell or Watson underperforming. Rugby is a team sport, you win as a team and you lose as a team. Having said that — I might now be about to scapegoat Townsend. Scottish rugby is a very small world, and anyone connected with the game knows that Townsend is a difficult character and prone to taking the huff just ask Hastings. He needs time to develop his own skills as a head coach. What is the benefit of them doing so? They put him front and centre of the media scrum. The benefit to SRU is deflection from the main issue…as per usual. That is a lot of harassment for the Edinburgh 6 including Hogg. But what are the SRU hiding and why put them through it as a lead into to the Irish game. That feels like the wrong time to publicly harass them. However , I was not there , but I have to imagine someone questioned it. They are not a bunch of school boys. The SRU had to address the story because it was coming out in the wider media one way or another, it had been spoken about for days before it was made public. I suggest people actually look into what Why Not is if they think the players were just kicking about low profile in a quiet pub. Totally agree with you Shooooooo. They brought it on themselves. Then could not handle the media pressure when it leaked. They should not have been there, they knew it, they knew they would be noticed. Not very mature IMHO. There was no vagueness. It annoys me that they believe we are gullible enough to consider it was their employers ambiguous rules. Strikes me that, as international coaching gigs go, the Scotland Mens job would be pretty near the bottom of my list. It is by definition a shot to nothing. Good chance to get international or northern hemisphere experience. Coaching Scotland puts you on one of the biggest stages in the 6N. So only seven other head coaches in the whole world with better test roles. Where else is someone like Dan MacFarland going to get test experience at head coach level? Even Shaun Edwards has failed to convince anyone to give him the top job. Shaking my head in disbelief. That will be disbelief that we let him go you mean! Why would we go for another untested coach at that level. Have we learned nothing from appointing Toony. Which does leave the options sparse. Another interesting question is do those 8 nations currently have the top 8 head coaches in the world. One was a successful HC at Glasgow and the other at Leinster. Powered by love and odd-shaped rugby balls. Scottish Rugby News and Opinion. Search Search. Posted in: Six Nations. Wherefore art thou, Scotland? March 21, By Chris Murray. Chris has been writing meandering nonsense covering media, sports, and politics for over fifteen years. When not waxing lyrical into the void he can most often be found switching the difficulty on videogames to 'easy,' burning things on the stove and complaining about the ever-rising price of a pint of Guinness. If you're minded to encourage him, you can do so at ko-fi. Only jesting………. As ever I live in hope. Will this be a watershed moment. God, I hope so. Nice article, Chris. Lockdown — managed, little social contact, decent displays Able to drink after games without it being managed — back to a poorer level of display. I think some have to come to terms with the two things. No time like the present, many of these players fall off the chart after this WC. Shot to nothing. Hines was feared by opposition packs and could play as well. Far, far more destructive than anything since, apart from on Sundays. Oops I meant Craig Smith! And unfortunately I did watch this era. They have to be given the chance on the summer tour with Ali rested IMO. It has too change. Please will someone help this to fundamentally change? Even v Ireland their scoreline was about the same as ours. This attitude is not healthy. Because this 6 Nations is no different to the others. Zander is a penalty magnet for Glasgow along with Ryan Wilson ……. Some things i would sort if i were the coach Ha! Why no Sykes, Young or Hodgson? Glen Young is an excellent shout i forgot about. I would have him in. Sykes looks big and physical but i have not seen enough of him recently. No Kebble? When will the summer tour be announced? Should be funds available if Dobson is punted and replacement gets a realistic wage. He was a consistently good player and has succeeded in coaching. Sorry, but that is complete and utter nonsense there is perfectly reasonable and often excellent numbers of kids playing Rugby across the Lothian area even post Covid, there is an interest there, admittedly it can tail off as kids reach high school, but there is an interest and numbers there to play. Easy to say, for me , easy to see, but making it happen is tougher. Rubbish , is it? Dig out the numbers, if you can find them? At a young age level in this country there are plenty of kids up and down the country playing Rugby each week up to P7 then there is generally a pretty massive fall away, that is the issue that needs addressed You are making reference to mergers that took place the best part of 30 years ago. Odd call out. Just wondered why you had mentioned it in the first place, calm down. I wont be changing my mind , however hopefully this is clearer. I think you mean, thanks for help with the blind spot Neddy. Another observation about the end of this 6N. The language of the commenters has changed. If anyone has the answer , let me know , please. Keep searching the headlines hopefully for rumours of a replacement coach. Possibly for ex player Frederico Aramburu who was killed in Paris last week. Why is Hogg talking to Rob Baxter? I expect Toony to deal with that , right away. FF: In my opinion none of the Lions has been on form this 6 nations , not just the scots. School night, it is your bath time. Sharks v Edinburgh highlights now available on Youtube for anyone who is interested. Players wandering about a night club in town will get attention. The easy out in all of this for any player involved was to, not do it. They know, better and their indignant attitude stinks. Surely one of them considered it was a bad idea. The team is not good enough for a real chance of winning anything much. Its a hiding to nothing. Saint : We got it wrong before , two wrongs do not make a right. So are you suggesting we take the risk again? Nah , not for me, not in my name. You might also like these:. WXV2: Australia Scotland. October 18, 2 Comments. In their showdown with the Wallaroos, Scotland fell apart, fought back, then were finally beaten, missing out on a successful defence of their WXV2 title. Here are the talking points. Read more. October 10, 3 Comments. WXV2: Japan Scotland. October 10, No Comments. Scotland battled through sweltering conditions to come out on top of a tight contest with Japan and set up a title-deciding WXV2 finale with Australia. Here are the talking points from a nail-biting game. Site News. October 7, No Comments. We're looking for feedback, advice, comments, help, volunteers Scottish Rugby Blog. Browse Articles by Category:.

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