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Follow us on Twitter for important announcements and outage notices. Welcome to The Electric Piano Forum. Log in Sign up Entire forum This topic This board. October 21, , PM. News: Follow us on Twitter for important announcements and outage notices. Main Menu. How do I know if I've found a Rhodes worth buying? Go Down Pages 1. April 14, , PM. I've found a guy in my area selling his rhodes. He's not sure of the exact date, but its got the Fender Rhodes logo so I would imagine its and earlier one. I've tried to do my homework on these things to narrow down what I want. I definitely want a Mark 1 and I do like the tone of the earlier ones, however I know that finding a 'good' one is hit or miss. I've heard people say that sometimes there's nothing you can do to make some of them sound good. This is a bit confusing to me as I haven't played enough to know. Is it something that jumps out at you? Or is it something that you find out the hard way? He says its been stored in a dry place but hasn't been played aside from testing it out to sell it in 6 years. I guess he's a guitar player who wanted to learn the keys, but never really did much with it. Can you guys please give me a few pointers on what exactly to look for and or listen for. I can't afford to make a bad investment and my dreams of owning a rhodes would of course be shattered if I bought a lemon. Thanks in advance guys. Re: How do I know if I've found a Rhodes worth buying? You don't tell us if he is selling a suitcase piano or a stage piano, 73 key or 88 key. If you're gigging with it, suitcase pianos are a bear to lug around. If it is a stage piano make sure it has the legs, the leg braces, the sustain pedal, and the sustain pedal rod. These are often misplaced. The extra keys on an 88 don't really sound that great and don't add much to the sound unless you like doing RH glissandos like a real piano. Action is the one thing to beware of. Many Rhodes pianos old and new suffer from a spongy action that is hard to play fast runs and can hurt your hands after a long session. Action can be improved but I would recommend Vintage Vibe or other reputable shop do the improvement. There have been many failed DIY attempts to improve the action which can damage the piano. Don't bother trying to replace the keysets to improve the action. They used different sources throughout the years and none of them are interchangeable. This is because the holes don't line up to the pins and the pins can't be relocated. The same manufacturer will even change the location of the pins in a later keyset! Inspect the tips of the hammers for wear in the form of grooves. Also inspect the tines for rust. If it is a suitcase piano, turn the vibrato on and make sure both stereo channels work. These are not hard to remedy. And finally, the tone. When they left the factory they were not optimized for good tone, and 'good tone' is a personal preference. Many players never tweaked the escapement, the tine position relative to the pickup, or the distance from the pickup to the tine so you may encounter a nonideal sound. All these can be adjusted by the player, and the amp of choice can go a long way to getting 'your sound'. If the action is good, then tweaking the tone isn't hard. Quote from: tylert on April 14, , PM Can you guys please give me a few pointers on what exactly to look for and or listen for. Here you go. Rhodes buyer's guide. Rob A. If this one's a wreck, he's asking too much. Thanks for the advice guys. Yeah its a 73 stage. I'd love to be able to afford a Vintage Vibe 64 those sound amazing but I just don't see myself having that kind of money anytime soon. That Guide it great Rob. I was under the impression that most of the earlier 'Fender Rhodes' had bad or heavy action. Is that true? Is it wise to take the harp off for a closer inspection of the tines, grommets, and pickups? I'm trying to suggest that tone is relatively easier to adjust, and a tone issue shouldn't be a deal breaker. Action problems could be deal breakers depending on your comfort in doing that sort of work. If you know you hate the feel of the thing and don't know what specifically to do about that, don't buy it. That may be a better way to put it. They don't all feel horrible. The truth is that none of them play like a concert grand -- so don't expect that. And none have keys that return fast enough to allow you to 'sputter' trilling on a single note like a Hammond jazz player might do. I found a significant difference between the relatively heavy touch on my which was not modified in any way, but was nicely adjusted and lubed to make the action as light as possible , and my more recently acquired , which has a lighter action, thanks to the factory pedestal bump. If I had to choose between them, I would probably prefer the ' But you get tend to get used to what you have, and when the '73 was the only Rhodes I owned, I found it totally acceptable. In fact, I felt like it helped me build finger strength, and made me a better player of other keyboard instruments. So, I don't think this is a big deal. Just buy one that makes you smile when you play it. April 15, , PM. Thanks guys. I'm from a small town of Connecticut where you rarely hear about Rhodes pianos let alone people that even know what they are. I mention that to the seller and his reply was 'Yeah well this is a Fender Rhodes Logo'. Do those years tend to be worth more? To my understanding, 'Fender' was dropped off the logo to allow more dealers to sell the piano. For example; A music store carried Gibson guitars and the contract with Gibson stated that they couldn't sell Fender products because they were a competing company. Therefore, the store could not sell 'Fender Rhodes' pianos because Fender and Gibson were adversarial companies even if just in the Guitar segment. Dropping 'Fender' off the logo allowed that store to sell the piano without breaking the contract with Gibson. Regardless of the name I believe the changes made to the piano were the natural progression and development of the instrument. Having 'Fender' on the logo is a cool thing but I've picked up a Rhodes '78 88 key and a '79 73 key and from what I've read on this forum in the last few months I feel lucky because both have the factory bump on the key pedestals. It's the prospective buyers interest in the sound, playability and overall condition of the individual piano that's important and sets the price. While not necessarily in your immediate area, I've seen plenty in the northeast listed for less than what this seller wants. Is this the one in questions? It does look pretty clean. Yes it is. I was just gonna post the pics. What do you guy's think? Location: Upstate NY Logged. It seems to be decent, but I think the price is too steep. I wish there were close up pics of the inside. If you are having serious trouble finding another one, and this one looks good to you, and you can afford it, then I would say go for it, but at least try to negotiate a little I have mentioned before And the guy thought it was too much I almost put it back in my car. I wish I had. He was a pain in the arse and all he did was complain because it wasnt voiced the way he liked it. How was I supposed to guess how he would want it voiced? Quote from: pianotuner steveo on April 15, , PM I have mentioned before The bargains are definitely there if you're patient. But if you live in a small town, you might have to be willing to drive a couple hours to drive to a city with a bigger inventory. I'm gonna check it out tomorrow and if I like it I'm gonna talk him down on the price. I'll be sure to report back after the trip. Thanks again fellas. April 16, , AM. First off, it's on it's second listing and my guess is that it will get listed again if he doesn't drop the price. Go look at it and test it out if you absolutely fall in love with it then you decide what it's worth to you. If it needs any work remember to factor that in and remember almost all work on one of these is a tedious undertaking or costly. Look at Vintage Vibes site for their prices on services. Yeah it looks like I wont be able to check it out until tomorrow. I didn't realize it was his second post but the last time I played that game someone beat me to it. Its just the way it is around here, not to many around. I'm already betting on the action needing some work because it hasn't been played regularly in years. The thing is a lot of people are just realizing how much an old rhodes it worth and wanna get the most for it. The thing thats hard to pass up is that its complete and in great condition cosmetically. Thanks to this site and all the Knowledgable people who frequent it, I'm able to go there a little bit more prepare than I would have. On a different topic Has anyone played it yet? Personally I think they are amazing and its my longterm goal to be a proud owner of one. Thats kinda why I'm investing this money so that I don't blow it on useless stuff that wont be worth much in the future. April 16, , PM. How far are you from Providence RI? Yeah I saw that one too. I'm waiting for the guy to call me. I'm roughly 2 hours from there so its manageable. That picture kinda scares me though. If you have a Rhodes in good condition wouldn't you wanna show it off with good photos inside and out? I wouldn't assume anything from the photo. The 'mint' Rhodes I bought recently had nothing but dark pictures on Craigslist, taken from a distance. People tend to post awful photos taken with cell phones. And lots of Rhodes sellers aren't players they found them at garage sales, or inherited it from Uncle Wilbur and don't even know what you might want to see on the inside. As soon as a played one note I knew something was wrong. The action was way too fast and light for a mark 1. All the keys had been replaced with the mark 2 plastic ones, which felt like a toy. Almost all of the Hammers were not alined with the tines. The overall sound it produced was distorted and muddy. My intuition told me that this Rhodes had been stored in an attic space or someplace with a lot of humidity. This caused the original wooden keys to swell and the plastic hammers to warp. When I told him about this his response was.. Honestly I'd feel cheated if he gave it to me. Still waiting to hear back from the Providence guy. April 18, , AM. I know it was probably disappointing, but you did a nice job figuring out what was happening with that Franken-Rhodes. Apparently, the guy carefully chose his words when he told you earlier that the asking price was justified because of its Fender Rhodes 'logo. With a little luck and patience, I'm sure you'll find a nice one at a reasonable price. There were tons of these built April 18, , PM. Thanks man. Yeah I'm definitely more prepared for what to expect and this one was a good point of reference. I suppose it is all about patience.. The right one will come to me I feel. Stuff like this peeves me. From my local Craigslist today, a Rhodes that looks like it's been through a flood or some other form of sadistic torture, with this message from the seller: 'Rhodes itself is in great condition, case is a little beat up. Other than that, works and sounds great!! This is my baby so no low offers please. Funny how most every musical instrument that you see on eBay or Craigslist that looks like it's been through a trash compactor still is described as 'works and sounds great. Yeah really! I even suggested he might want to sell it for parts. I just wish I picked one up in the 90's when schools and Grandma were giving them away. Do any of you use VST's Live? Scarbee, Mr ray. Although I'm trying to go the organic route, I do like the way they sound. This is my daily battle. One minute I'm think.. But then I speak with someone that completely disagrees with all that and I start think they might be right. Eventually I'd like to have both, but at the moment I can only afford one major purchase. There's just too many people out there thinking just because somethings vintage its gotta be worth a fortune. They almost see it as.. It can be very frustrating when you've been searching for a year and you either just miss one, or they're not what you thought. Sorry I just realized I'm venting a little here. I value all your opinions and thought I'd pick your brains on that topic. April 19, , AM. To bad you're not closer to me right now. That's the point to stop thinking. There is nothing like the real thing. Still sounds cheap to me. That one from washington looks pretty nice. I knew you guys wouldn't dig the VST option. I Just thought you guys might knock some sense into me. I know in my heart that I wouldn't be happy with anything else. I bought a Nord a while back and absolutely hated the Rhodes and Wurly patches the first time I played it. I had to trick myself into believing they were good enough because of how expensive they are. Trying to record it one day I freaked out and instead of smashing it on the ground I decided to sell it. I made all my money back and vowed to get the real deal no matter what, but as time goes on it gets harder and harder to stay true. There is always the option of saving up a little more to get a refurbished one. April 20, , PM. Tylert, what area do you live in? How far are you willing to travel to pick one up? April 22, , PM. Sorry I've been working a lot. I live in North west Connecticut. I'd say about 4 hours is the longest I'm willing to drive. I saw that one from Providence and I think that looks pretty good. Thanks so much for thinking of me, this is the best! There also were a couple that were priced very high April 26, , PM. My only concern is if I'd be able to fix the problem with the pick ups. Looks like a nice deal for a Rhodes with all the accessories -- although, as you've learned, you've got to see it in person. If the seller is being honest, it sounds like this has only minor issues. Since the seller says the entire middle register isn't as loud, its unlikely that all those pickups are bad. So, likely culprits are that someone simply moved the pickups too far back from the tine you can fix that with a nut driver in minutes or something is wrong with the pickup wiring to fix that, you'd need to be able to solder and use a multimeter in basic ways -- people here might be able to coach you through using a meter to solve this. To deal with the pickup wiring, I'd think any buddy you have who has basic electronics know-how even if they've never seen a Rhodes before could handle the task after looking at the service manual at Fenderrhodes. Good luck Alan Edit: Another possibility is that depending on how this Rhodes is wired it varied over the years a single dead pickup could cause a section of pickups to fail. Replacement pickups are readily available. Thanks, Yeah I'd like to learn how to do it all myself but it would be nice to find some one to coach me the first time around. I waiting for his reply and maybe I check it out this weekend. Thanks again. Go Up Pages 1. User actions.

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