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Registration's totally free, of course, and makes snowHeads easier to use and to understand, gives better searching, filtering etc. When you register, you get our free weekly -ish snow report by email. It's rather good and not made up by tourist offices or people that love the tourist office and want to marry it either We don't share your email address with anyone and we never send out any of those cheesy 'message from our partners' emails either. Anyway, snowHeads really is MUCH better when you're logged in - not least because you get to post your own messages complaining about things that annoy you like perhaps this banner which, incidentally, disappears when you log in Username:- Password:. Or: Register to be a proper snow-head, all official-like! Prev topic :: Next topic. Poster: A snowHead. Heading up to Kitzbuhel during half term. Going with a friend and his family, and skiing with expert skiers! Just say anything that I might find useful lol. Obviously A snowHead isn't a real person. If they are really expert skiers I don't think Kitzbuhel is renowned for its difficult skiing. Is that useful at this stage after you've booked? Saves you having to lug them all over town each day. Unless you're staying next to the lift in which case this isn't particularly useful. Well, the person's real but it's just a made up name, see? We're staying at the base lol. Supposedly, it's the closest hotel on the mountain to the slopes. You need to Login to know who's really who. Went in Feb for a stag weekend, found most of the pistes over-graded - e. Doens't apply to the hahenkahm run, that was seriously scary looked and went other way! Off-Piste didn't do much. Busy on a sunny sunday. Found that taking the 3s and skiing that bit was better than the main bit. If any boarders they should go to the horn Anyway, snowHeads is much more fun if you do. By looking on the trail map, I can't find the horn lol. Does the Hahnenkamm run exceed about 40 degrees? Because that's what I consider to be steep. And, Bertie Bassett, you said 'Found that taking the 3s and skiing that bit was better than the main bit. Is there enough variety to not be bored by the end of 6 or 7 days of skiing? You'll need to Register first of course. I'm going to Kitzbuhel on the 1st Feb, never been there or the Austrian alps, always been to France. Anyone know of any good off piste routes or areas that are good to free ski? Then you can post your own questions or snow reports Plus has half-pipe and boarder cross and a decent apres scene. Officially it's lift D9 but more usually referred to as the 3s. We found the section above Jochberg to have better snow, better skiing and less traffic than the main hill. F8 is the only drag lift needed to get back from this sector, but we didn't have too many issues with it even on a board! Sorry I forgot my protractor when I was looking at the hahnenkahm bit but like most race slopes it gets seriously injected with water and thus is very very icy Sparkzter Austria has a habit of 'itineraries' or ski-routes which are ungroomed slopes, which are avvy protected but not patrolled officially - although I have seen piste patrol sweeping up in Arlberg on one at close of play. These are usually marked on the maps with a dotted line. There are some in Kitz - 34 and 33 from the top of pengelstein are meant to be good didn't try them ourselves! There's also a 'cat-skiing area' just up from the horn After all it is free. I went to Kitz last season. For a skier like me experienced but aging and timid it was great. I didn't even mind the black runs except number 38 Direttissima which made me feel decidedly wobbly. When I was there March 0 there was no snow at resort level but once you got to the top of the Hahnemkamm bubble it was plentiful. The actual Hahnenkamm run itself was kept open with artificial snow but it was rather slushy The ski area is fine for a week for someone like me, but even if you cover it all in a couple of days, there's reasonably easy access to Westendorf and the Ski Welt area No idea about off-piste I'm afraid as I didn't do any, nor did I go to the Horn as it was a bus ride across town to get to the lift. Apparently there are only a handful of easy runs once you get up there and it's mostly boarders Have a great time and if you're the type of person that likes dancing on tables singing cheesy Euro-pop, the Londoner pub is for you You'll get to see more forums and be part of the best ski club on the net. Don't listen to all the stuff people tell you about Kitz not having any decent skiing! Next to St. Anton it's one of my favourite pastures, and generally one hell of a lot less crowded than St. Try the off piste run down to Jochberg from the top of Steinbergkogel. On a powder day the valley run down to Kirchberg is really nice as well. Ditto for the valley run down to Aschau, but needs a bus to get back again Thousands of variants to choose from! Ski the Net with snowHeads. It doesn't look big at all, like the size of a large North American resort. This is just by observing the trail map and looking at it on Google Earth. Is it as small as I think? And love to help out and answer questions and of course, read each other's snow reports. I wouldn't have said small, but a confident skier would easily cover all terrain in a week. I think we skied all the runs except those on the Horn and those that were closed due to lack of snow There's plenty more to keep anyone entertained there So if you're just off somewhere snowy come back and post a snow report of your own and we'll all love you very much. Are you including the 3s bahn over to the Pass Thurn area? You know it makes sense. No, I'm not including the 3S Bahn. Otherwise you'll just go on seeing the one name:. I've never skied the US so I couldn't tell you. Only way to find out is to go! We like it and I think most others do Whitegold here doesn't! I should have said that the sunday was 'one of my top 5 ever skiing days' despite the 3 hours kip, the fat hangover and the jaegerbomb, cocaine and stripper bill from the night before Ok so I might have made a bit of that up You will enjoy it! If nothing else the atmosphere of the place is worth the experience. And like I said, there are plenty of steeps and deeps to keep you happy! There will be snow up top and in the horn, so don't worry too much about that, the only time it's annoying is if you're used to skiing to your hotel door, which believe me you won't be doing The horn had the better snow when i was there without having to travel far on multiple lifts, but it is easy for anyone who's skied more than 2 weeks. I found very few difficult runs in Kitz that made me just go a different route except when the snow was real bad , only annoyance and slight problem was the narrow runs between lifts that were busy as hell as everyone tried to get to the higher better snow. Once there most runs are quite wide so you could get most down them, blacks included. Everyone is saying that the pistes are very easy besides the Hahnenkamm-- I believe the Mausefalle part is very challenging! There's gotta be some challenge here! I did the streif piste the week after the race, iced up and everything. It was tough, a run that I got down rather than skied! I found Kitz quite challenging Skiing was ok would not think of putting it on my must do again resorts for a while. Kitzbuhel is not a resort I would consider skiing now as it has no challenging skiing at all. The blacks would be graded red at best at other resorts. I haven't skied there since I started skiing a lot off piste, 25 years ago, so I have no idea if there might be any good off piste - but I would be surprised if there were anything much you could call steep. The true line of the Downhill Hannenkamm Racetrack has a few extremely steep sections when you consider they take it straight find the start hut and try skiing the top and as much of the rest as you can identify plus some sections quite flat. However much of the steeper stuff, like the start and near the finish, is off piste except near race days and is not included in the Hannenkamm piste. It is low, and there is not a very large vertical, but do not simply compare with France because the further East you go the lower the snowline. However, especially if you include the linked areas and ski Welt there is a big area. It is very scenic and has a pretty village with a mediaeval centre with town gate. Sorry not to have better news for you. It is a pity your friends didn't enquire about the skiing before booking. We'll see whether you still think it's all flat I'm sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about! Steilhang , It is all relative, surely. What you and I consider difficult may be tamer to those of greater ability and wanting a challenge. Steilhang , I haven't skied Kitzbuhel for about 20 years, but my very old edition of the Good Ski Guide does agree with me and notes that good skiers might miss the lack of any challenging skiing. I was talking about the pistes, above, but I ski much better now than I did then and almost entirely off piste with friends, looking for the steep and deep. For that, of course, we mostly need a guide. I don't think I want to take up a whole week of my limited skiing time going there. However, perhaps one day I might do a tour around with a car and stop off for a couple of days. So, what is the off-piste like? Where in the area would you suggest I try I have a piste map from the web. Under the Brixen lift through the trees looks possible from the map. I am finding it hard now to find resorts with enough challenge but I know from experience that if you have a guide who knows an area well there can be surprisingly good stuff hidden away in even tiny, family resorts. There is plenty of steep stuff around the area of Steinbergkogel heading back down into the Ehrenbachgraben. Particularly the run leading under the chair from Steinbergkogel back down to Ehrenbachgraben is steep and often closed due to avalanche danger. There are some really great off piste runs from the top there heading down to the valley in Jochberg, although not amazingly steep they are really fun to do! Just depends on the snow. Also the off piste run down to the other side of the area from Pengelstein to Aschau is fantastic on a good day. But if couloir skiing is what you're after then this is not the place for you! These days I either ski St. Anton or Kitz or if I don't have a lot of time I just head down to Garmisch-Zugspitze for half a day! I find that skiing Kitz is generally more enjoyable than St. Main reason being that it is MUCH less crowded. But St. A does offer a few gems that Kitz can't match, like the couloirs off the top of Schindler. Steilhang , yes, those couloirs of theSchindler Spitze are good, especially the left end one which you access by doubling-back along under the lift after you get off, and go down with the big rock wall on your left. As for crowds - once you go off piste you may not see anyone at all till you get to the bottom. At Kitzbuhel, I don't remember the runs being steep where you mention, but I'm sure they would be fine for most intermediates. For someone even near expert, though, such as skiking4 suggests, expecting double black diamond equivalents, I still reckon may be disappointed. Unless the off piste is good, which I don't really know. I'd probably enjoy a few days skiing around there just for the scenery -I'm sure we could find some fresh tracks even long after the last snow if we walked a bit. But only having 3 weeks per year I try to get the most I can out of each week. Yes I like that one as well, but I wouldn't say it's necessarily any steeper than the run off Steinbergkogel that I mentioned before. It's just a lot narrower! I was severely put off St. A last season when I went for a day and found the off piste effectively un-skiable, frozen wind ridged tracked out breaking crud , so had to stick to the pistes! There were so many people skiing completely out of control that I was seriously frightened by the experience. I retired to the Albona for the rest of the day even found a small amount of untracked. Steilhang wrote: but I wouldn't say it's necessarily any steeper than the run off Steinbergkogel that I mentioned before. Oh, Ok, I obviously never discovered that - the one I remember was a red. Its a long time ago. Your St Anton experience sounds nasty. The only time in like conditions I've been there, a guide did find us some first tracks in compacted old north facing snow - partly just down the valley, outside the St A circuit - but it was a matter of making do. Conditions looking great! TR coming soon. But for now: 2 ft of snow the day before arrival, 3 ft of snow on Tuesday, a couple of inches on Friday. Hahnenkamm run: conditions play a huge part in this. Pistes: What you guys said. Diressitima is the only decent black piste IMO the bottom is amazing. Off piste: The couloirs to the left of C1 are amazing. The big bowl to the right of C7 is also very good. The Barenbodkel however u spell it has some nice off piste opportunities. But if you want GNARLY, then you'll have to head under the Hahnenkammbahn gondola lift, which has many different entries, all leading into a high 40 degree narrow couloir. There's not tons of gnarly, but enough for me. Overall, very pleased with the trip and TR with pics might be coming soon I'll see if I can make time to do so. No, I was actually carelessly unaware of the avvy risk. They sound a little steep to me I have seen the site you link to so I know you know someone who estimates gradients. I think these slope angles are reasonable. That's 38 degrees on average for a good hundred vertical. Now, a few stuff off piste I had skied at Kitz were definitely steeper. The Hahnenkammbahn couloir probably definitely hit 50, as you could touch the slope with an outstretched hand it looked like. It then mellows to about degrees for the rest before ending on the piste. The Barenbodkogel glades are about at their headwalls for about, again, a little less than half the chute, and then 'flattening' to 35 degrees and ending on the piste. The bowlish kind of thing that is in the bowl to the right of the C7 lift is rocky degree steeps, but are only very few hundred vertical before ending in this ditch sort of thing which is fun, but a lot more skied than the upper part. I did not measure, but I assume, and I tend to guess right or only overestimate by a degrees or so. So, therefore, these are subjective opinions. And please note: these are lines that are rarely skied, but visible from the piste or lift. In the couloir off Steinbergkogel, my friend fell and lots of snow tumbled to the bottom of the slope. Please be careful out there. New Topic Post Reply. Snow Snow Snow! 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