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User Name Remember Me? Banjarmasin keris? Hello, I get offered this keris and want to ask you if you agree that this keris is maybe a Banjarmasin keris. I am allowed to show the pictures here. Handle is maritime ivory and very well patinated. Attached Images. Very nice hilt, Detlef, albeit the carving was rather crude! Can't comment on the keris as I know next to nothing about Banjarmasin kerises Congrats, Jean! I believe your piece does deserve a seperate thread with larger pics once you receive it. Regards, Kai. Banjar carving work tends to be very neat, especially floral or geometric design elements found with non-figural wooden hilts. I agree that this hilt seems to be old and exhibits some genuine wear; it's certainly desirable and warrants further research. This seems to be a kinda odd ensemble: How well does the blade fit into the scabbard? Any close-ups of the base of the blade as well as of the mendak? I agree that the origin of the blade is not clear and it is not a fantastic piece but it has age and fits well into the sheath slot. According to the seller this kris was purchased in Indonesia about 40 years ago. Best regards. I dont' know about the blade but i think the hilt is not from kalimantan. It seems made for dress a selut jogja or solo. I never seen of course in my personal experience a banjarmasin hilt with a javanise selut. Imo maybe this hilt hade a lost selut that married well the mendak of the pic. Hello Marco, Quote:. You are right Kai. I agree. Strange is the oval base of the hilt It would be right for a ring as Bali or Lombok ring but i have looked some of my banjarmasin hilts just now So i am more confused than before :-p. And regarding the ivory hilt shown by Detlef, I never saw a similar piece but would posibly attribute it to East Java with a specific local style. Hello Jean, you could be right by your guess. How longer I look to this hilt I get the same feeling. Any guess about the blade? Regards, Detlef. Hello Detlef, Frankly I have no clear idea about the blade as well and was expecting Alan to comment on it. It has some very specific features such as the shape short and wide , the thick and protruding kembang kacang, the peculiar lambe ganjah and grooves on the front of the ganja a bit similar to Balinese blades. It seems to have some age from the worn greneng and gap between the blade and ganja. Because the hilt has some balinese influence, I would guess East Java Hindu area Banyuwangi but it is just an unsupported impression. Anyway I find this mysterious kris very interesting! The engravings on the warangka are unusual also, the horn buntut looks Sumatrese but it could be a more recent repair. Probably the vast bulk of keris have been made according to established patterns:- patterns that follow the lead of either a tradition of a ruling house or of a group of people. But sometimes a keris will be produced by a person, or in a place , where there is no established lead from either tradition or ruling house. When this happens, guidance is lacking. The first keris that I made was certainly recognisable as a keris, but nobody could ever guess where it was produced, because although I knew very well what a keris looked like, I had not been taught the necessary elements of structure that would permit me to produce a keris that had some relationship with other keris. My first keris lacked a foundation. The same is true of every attempt at the making of a keris by any person who has not had the tuition of an established maker, and who is working outside a community with a keris tradition. In my personal collection I have several similar keris. Keris that have been produced by somebody who had no tradition to draw upon. The makers had seen a keris, and they produced something that was keris-like, but it did not conform to a tradition. Possibly what we are looking at here has a similar history:- a keris produced outside any recognisable tradition. Look at the individual elements:- a straight gonjo that is almost nguceng mati, but not Tuban, additionally the material seems not to be the same as the iron in the blade, and a different hand cut the attempt at a greneng than cut the greneng features in the blade; the kembang kacang looks a bit like nggelung wayang but doesn't quite make it; the proportions are not in conformity with anything I can recognise; it has pamor, but the maker had no idea at all of how to manage pamor. So did this maker have any guidance or tradition to draw upon? I doubt it. The wrongko looks like a mixture of different elements. Since one of the functions of a wrongko is to provide an item of dress that conforms to dress in its particular area, and since this wrongko does not conform to any dress standard that I have seen, I'm only prepared to agree that yes, it is a wrongko. Similar story with the hilt. It mimics some elements that appear in Central Javanese hilts, but all that additional ornamentation is not a part of anything I know. Overall, this looks like a Javanese keris to my eye, but not of a Javanese tradition. I'd be inclined to classify the whole thing as folk art:- a collaboration between somebody who wanted or needed a keris and the village smith. Lots of little isolated villages in Central Jawa, even now. What would it have been like or so years ago? Actually, I rather like these keris that don't follow a tradition. They possibly get closer to the feeling of the people than any elite art work adorned with gold ever has any hope of doing. One question:- is the gandar from a single piece of wood, or is it from two pieces of wood that have been joined? Thank you Alan for your thoughts about this keris, very helpful. The gandar is built up from two pieces. Thanks again and best regards, Detlef. As promised I attach the pictures of my recently acquired Banjarmasin kris with the following comments for discussion: The blade has a rough surface and it does not seem to be Javanese nor Buginese; a specific feature is the presence of small dots of pamor tambal regularly spaced along the blade. This is also found on another kris from Banjarmasin shown to me by another collector, does it mean that this style of blade is indigenous to Banjarmasin? The hilt in Sumatra style is made from gilt brass and in excellent condition, the selut and virtually all the intens are still present. The gayaman sheath is typical of Banjar, the gandar in 2 pieces is fully covered with very fine cotton thread which was replaced on the top part and a bit damaged at the tip but I will leave it in this condition. Last edited by Jean; 4th July at PM. Very nice hilt Jean Hey Jean, i really like that keris. Thanks David and Marco, this was a rare opportunity which I was pursuing since many years and I was surprised to be the only bidder on Ebay! Hello Kai, Thank you for your kind and detailed comments; Regarding the blade, I showed it from both sides actually and can't do better because the hilt is stuck on the peksi. May be later I will try to free it but I feel concerned about damaging the intens. I will check with my friend if I can show the other blade with a very similar pamor but it seems to be part of a commercial site please check your PM box. I agree that the blade has some Bugis influence but the ganja and kembang kacang are not very typical of Bugis blades and this tambal pamor dots are unusual. Best regards Jean. Last edited by Jean; 5th July at PM. I think that Alan hit the very head of the nail, and his comment rings true re. Somehow, we all have iron-clad patterns, or 'geshtalts', of what constitutes a particular type of weapon, be it its ethnic or tribal origin, defined name G. Stone, thank you! We get apprehensive when we encounter something that does not seem to fit the agreed-upon pattern. This often leads us to either pronouncing the item a fake, or to our exultation of discovering a new and hitherto unknown example of native weaponry. Ih fact, and that's exactly what Alan hinted at, any old weapons were not mass-produced according to some government-dictated standards, but were hand-made according to the professional level or inventiveness of the master, availability of the materials, wealth, desire and taste of the owner etc. The variability is inevitable. It is seen in each and every culture, from Indian tulwars and their handles to Caucasian kindjals. Here an example from this Forum: a combination of a talibon-like blade and a gunong handle. Should we start looking for some deep meanings or just accept the fact that it is a very usable implement fully satisfying its owner's wishes, and no more? Occam's razor, anyone? Very very nice keris Jean! Congrats for this addition to your collection! Thread Tools. The time now is AM. Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here. User Name. Remember Me? Mark Forums Read. Find More Posts by Sajen. Find More Posts by Moshah. Find More Posts by Jean. Find More Posts by kai. Find More Posts by Marcokeris. Hello Marco, Quote: It seems made for dress a selut jogja or solo. Quote: Originally Posted by Marcokeris Strange is the oval base of the hilt Quote: Originally Posted by Jean And regarding the ivory hilt shown by Detlef, I never saw a similar piece but would posibly attribute it to East Java with a specific local style. Find More Posts by A. 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