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by Truth22 » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:35 pm
Why are so many men attracted to preteens?
I was doing a school project for psychology class and came across this study.
Based on objective studies, rather than anecdotal evidence and adamant denial rants (which mean nothing), about 90% of men are attracted to preteen girls.
A peer-reviewed scientific journal study (Behavior Therapy 26, 681-694, 1995), conducted by Kent State University, 1995 (Lori L. Oliver, Gordon C. Nagayama, Richard Hirschman) was conducted on a sample of normal (adult attracted) male volunteers using the "penile plethysmograph".
The team carried out hundreds of tests exposing men to female adult and child images. 95% exhibited arousal to the female adult images.
A staggering 88.7% exhibited arousal to the female child (less than 12 years old) images.
Prior to the study, 80% of the participants claimed to have no attraction to children and all of them had no history of illegal or legal youth attracted behavior.
For credibility information about this study, simply type in the citation info from the beginning of this post. The full report is quite detailed and it explains the many controls that were in place to ensure the result were accurate.
No similar studies have been conducted since this one because people know the results will be the same and they don't want further proof about how common attraction to preteens is.
I know that many people are going to post and say, “you have nothing to worry about, those studies are wrong, it’s rare, I don’t know anyone attracted to preteens”… but denying something that’s controversial to not deny means nothing. That would be like asking a thief if he steals, of course he’s going to say no. This is why objective studies are much more meaningful than adamant, violent denial rants. I haven’t found ANY objective, fair studies that support the idea that preteen-attraction is rare or that all preteen-attracted adults are crazy monster (like the media says).
It seems as though all the media’s stereotypes are based off prisoner studies. That would be like making generalizations about the prevalence and manner of same-age (normal) attraction based off ONLY interviewing convicted rapists. Like saying, ALL free same-age attracted adults with no criminal records will rape because all convicted rapists rape. I don’t understand why most people think prison studies (a small segment of the population) are more important than general population studies (like the Kent State one) when studying preteen-attraction.
It seems like most men are secretly attracted to preteen girls, but they go around telling people they're not so they can meet some false idea of what a few have deemed as “normal”. Many people think that if they just act crazy (talk about wanting to kill/torture anyone attracted to preteen girls) people will believe they’re “normal” and never suspect that they actual have the same feelings they pretend to condemn. But, I’ve known a lot of liars, and this kind of response (overly defensive) is very common among people that lie.
It seems as though the voice of a few appears to be the voice of the majority only because the majority is silent and secretive about their attraction. 9 out of every 10 men are attracted to preteen girls, but most men will never openly divulge this secret to anyone.
I don’t understand? I though attraction to preteens was supposed to be rare? What’s going on? Should I be concerned? I have young relatives. Should I recommend home-school for them?
Or maybe these media stereotypes are wrong? Maybe having a preteen attraction is very common, but is also typically harmless, that is, most humans have self-control? .... News people are always saying everyone with an attraction rapes. But if that were true, wouldn’t there be 2 billion child rapists (6.7 billion (world population)*.5 (% male)*.7 (% adult) *.9 (% attracted to under 12).
The media’s assumptions are based off unfair prison studies, so I’m inclined to believe that they’re wrong. I’m inclined to believe that preteen attraction is generally harmless and preteen-attracted adults are not monsters..but I don’t know? What do you-all think? Should we be concerned or are preteen-attracted adults being falsely demonized?
Sorry if I don’t respond to you-all’s post quickly, I’m going to gone tomorrow.
Thanks in Advance
Bye
by Mythic » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:53 am
Nice try but ....
http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/97 ... ticle.html
According to this, less than 30% show such responses and this seems to accord with other studies. The Griesemer theory would account for this and it probably would show up as stronger in the young (e.g. students) rather than those older.
Mythic
by Graveyard » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:15 am
by Truth22 » Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:16 pm
When you posted, the full article, I began to wonder if I was mistaken. The original data I read cited the article. However, after further analysis, I see where the results from the article I read came from.
The original article (your link) purposely reports the results in a manner that supports what society wants to believe.
“Over 1/4 of the current subjects self-reported pedophilic interest or exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equaled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.”
However, “Eighty subjects completed the study”.
And Only “9 exhibited no arousal to the female child slides.” … stated differently, one could say 71 exhibited arousal to the preteen girl images.
This means that 71/80 (88.7%) exhibited arousal to the female child slides. Many may have been just slightly less than the arousal they exhibited to the female adult.
So basically
Over 1/4 (32.5% in fact) of the subjects exhibited penile arousal to pedophilic stimuli that equalled or exceeded arousal to adult stimuli.
95% exhibited arousal to the female adult images (4 exhibited no arousal)
88.7% exhibited arousal to the female child images. (9 exhibited no arousal)
The results for part of the study were INVERTED by stating those that were not aroused. This was an effort to hide the nature of the findings. In addition, 3.7% of the subjects were removed from the results because they admitted to preteen-attracted behavior.
Ooh and as for trolling. The part about being worried about rape epidemics was sarcasm. My point was that obviously these negative stereotypes about most preteen-attracted adults being crazy monsters can NOT be true. These stereotypes have no reliable factual basis (They're based off prison studies, which to not represent the majority of society. This is why this study is compelling. It studies the general population rather than prisoners). Even if we used 25% instead of 90% these malicious, false stereotypes cannot be true.
by Blben » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:29 am
Wow one study at Kent University represents 90% of men in the world? WOW
Oh my god I can't even respond to this without laughing my butt off!
by Truth22 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 4:08 am
Blben wrote:Wow one study at Kent University represents 90% of men in the world? WOW
Oh my god I can't even respond to this without laughing my butt off!
by Mythic » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:27 am
Apart from the problems with small numbers and sample populations, this study as reported in the link seems to accord with several others, which I have not seen, but probably can be located. It also doesn't make much sense for such larger numbers since that should be reflected in offences or attitudes within society. You know how paedophilia is viewed - does it really make any sense for all those people to be deceiving themselves? A percentage of about 30% is large enough anyway and this might effect some changes in attitudes if it is truly correct.
Mythic
by GinaSmith » Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:33 am
To deny is not to refute. I can understand why people might not want such statistics to be true, but science isn't (or shouldn't be) about pandering to what the people want. It's about exploring what is, and why. Whether or not these statistics are accurate is something that scientific endeavours can corroborate or refute. The beauty of science is that one can test and retest findings. If flaws are spotted in a study, then further studies can be performed with these flaws ironed out, in a kind of dialectic process.
How we then live with the results is another matter. People didn't like the notion of a heliocentric universe as opposed to a geocentric one; many still don't like the theory of evolution; I still see plenty of people struggling to accept the idea that the conscious mind or the brain itself might not be the most 'important' aspect of the human organism. Not liking something doesn't make it true or false. One of the poorest arguments I hear touted is in the free will debate, from the libertarian camp: 'but if we don't have free will, then that means murderers aren't responsible for their actions', which is not a refutation but an expression of the libertarian's dislike of the consequences. (I'm not going to go into my own opinions on that particular subject; I'm just highlighting the very human tendency to argue very badly based on what they do and don't want to be the case.)
Is there anything positive we could gain from the above stats if they are accurate? I think so. If a significant number of people (or, at least, men) are attracted to young pubescents and prepubescents, then we can look at what this means for our mythopoeic (myth-making) processes and our handling of the subject of paedophilia (indeed, human sexuality as a whole) and child abuse.
by LivingSoul » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:50 pm
Great post Truth22.
I usually look to anthropology and something like "Game Theory" to understand how we went from monkeys to how we are now. It's a really long story I have told too many times to bother retelling now (short answer: "egoic consciousness" standardized into patriarchy standardized into contract-capitalism). Judging by the sub-text of your post I'm guessing you have a pretty good idea of how and why things are the way they are. You figured out that attraction to juveniles is the norm, and basically harmless; and that the present state of affairs on the social level is deeply ill. (I say 'socially' because at the level of the Universe/God everything is A-Ok; by 'ill' I just mean thinky and suffering.)
by Truth22 » Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:59 pm
Mythic wrote:Apart from the problems with small numbers and sample populations, this study as reported in the link seems to accord with several others, which I have not seen, but probably can be located. It also doesn't make much sense for such larger numbers since that should be reflected in offences or attitudes within society. You know how paedophilia is viewed - does it really make any sense for all those people to be deceiving themselves? A percentage of about 30% is large enough anyway and this might effect some changes in attitudes if it is truly correct.
Mythic
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