Ymca Naked Swimming

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A couple of years ago, when Trine was editing the blog, she covered a story about nude swimming at the YMCA (in America).
Some readers commented that boys did swim nude, and girls in costumes, but on different days.
As I wasn’t editing at that point, it was a story that largely passed me by, until I discovered some photographs online today purporting to tell the same story.
It’s hard to know what’s true. CFNM (Clothed female, nude male) is, I would suggest, a bit of a fantasy thing in the internet era. Wiki calls it ‘a genre of erotica’.
From what I can gather, nude swimming was present in the YMCA -because the clue’s in the name, Men- but was discontinued when the YMCA began admitting females. This seems to have been a fairly commonplace change in attitudes in once male-only preserves.
So some of those photos of nude male swimming teams may just be true, although I don’t really see those photos making it to the school yearbook, do you?
There’s quite a number of this type of photo around, but note, if you’re doing your own research on the topic, just how poor quality some of the photos are, and without any definite sort of detail, i.e. the school involved, where they were located and so on. Are they hiding a bit of photoshopping?
The colour ones are almost certainly ‘real’ photos, but ‘modelled’ to play on this ‘genre of erotica’ more than anything else. They’re unlikely to reflect the real world.
But it was certainly a scenario, whether it ever happened in real life or not, that was simple to recreate for the blog.
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My recollection is that in New Zealand, swimming at the YMCA was naked. This was certainly the case in 1964 at the Christchurch YMCA for their holiday programme. Swimming at the Hamner Springs hots pools was segregated and naked in the middle 1960s and this had been the situation for years.. The same applied at Rotorua and was definately the case in 1967. Around that time social attitude to public nudity changed. No state schools had naked swimming, but one of the private prep. schools in Christchurch did to about 1967 also. One historical oddity regarding the Government run facility at Rotorua, is that around 1907 the state proposed to make costumes compulsory. This caused a huge uproar from those using the pools and the Govertnment had to back down.
Someone did a series of videos on the subject while back
An update to my earlier post It was 1967: Naked swimming at YMCA swimming pools in NZ was male only. There was an exception, this being the school holiday programme for boys up to the age of 14/15. This was overseen by the Matron at the Christchurch YMCA. Swimming instruction and water sports were only part of the programme : there was gym work and various trips around the City. The instruction was carried out by older school boys. I cannot recall if they were nude or not, but probably were on account of them participating in the various games in the pool. The Matron was a close friend of my mother. Her boys were enrolled in the programme, one a little older than me, was one of the instructors. The question was asked would I and my close friend like to join in, this is 1967. We were shown around the facilities by the Matron. The pool was in use for a water polo game. Not too many boys of my age I thought. My friend was really keen on the nude swimming. This matter did not appeal to me as I was having a difficult puberty, which none of my friends were having by the way. I was 13 at the time. It was difficult enough wearing a swimming costume : the mind boggled on what would happen being naked. Anyway we had been a little irresponsble and had spent the fee we were meant to pay to the Y, so that was that. No fee paid, no entry. That programme was the last as the building was knocked down later that year. Attitudes to nude swimming were quickly changing at that time. Some private primary schools with boarding facilities had nude swimming instruction for boys 5-13. This was over around 1968. The Government run thermal hot pools at Rotorua and Hamner Springs had nude segregated swimming for many years. This was also done away with about the same time. Rotorua was naked in 1967, and Hamner Springs clothed in 1969.
It’s an interesting subject for sure. The old pics I would think would be pretty hard to photoshop and it would appear they add credibility to the fact that these things did actually happen. The newer color pics I believe are staged by some porn sites. The logic of swimming nude is one thing that most people these days just can’t deal with.
@ Gerald What I find interesting is that 50 years and more ago, a period where we think of a world being more repressed in terms of the naked body, there is often evidence to the contrary, even if the nude activities involved were segregated by gender. Nowadays, any evidence of instructors or people in charge overseeing nude children (or adults) would almost inevitably lead to accusations of ‘pervert’ behaviour.
@sassycoupleok. Yes, the colour photos are almost inevitably ‘porn pics’ aimed at those who have ‘CFNM’ fetish/fantasies. Not usually the type of photo we’d publish, but I used them to demonstrate that, real or staged, it still exists as ‘a thing’.
Nudity in colonial times in NZ is another interesting topic, in those years to about 1910 there was considerable freedom for males to swim naked at public breaches, in rural localities, and at certain locations within cities. At public baths, the sexes were segregated and men and boys swam naked.. Reports printed in the papers of public nudity in the cities was as a rule accompanied by the demand for the authorities to take firm action and put a stop to this nakedness, In Wellington there even was a naked beach scene at Lyall Bay during the weekends in summer of course. Echoes of the earlier open era are found in World War One where ANZAC troops at Gallipoli swam naked in the sea, and favourably described in the press reports. I can recall my Grandfather speaking of naked swimming near Christchurch when he was a member of the Home Guard in the Second World War. With respect to the British settlement of NZ the social space afforded of public nudity was one of several differences with Britain that soon became apparent. Probably reflecting a desire of many immigrants to break away from the social conventions of Britain.
The CFNM fetish/fantasy has a very strong following. In some settings it is a wholesome opportunity offering females a safe place to view full male nudity. There are however some CFNM events that are porn in nature.
Agreed. Within naturism CFNM (or CMNF) situations arise all the time. I speak to my holiday neighbours when I’m dressed, heading out to a supermarket, and they’re nude, and they speak to me when I’m nude and they’re coming home from their church on a Sunday morning (yes, they find the time to attend a Mass, even on holiday) and neither situation is fetish/fantasy. Just ‘normal’, everyday happenings in a naturist resort. As you say, ‘wholesome’. But there are those who elevate these CFNM (or vice versa) scenarios into porn.
The current Naturist Society’s N magizine has a nice lengthy article with facts and figures showing that this practise did indeed exist in schools. Interesting reading.
I must look out for that online. Thanks for the info.
And ‘N’ magazine isn’t done online. However, sometimes people will scan and upload magazine articles and I’m hoping this may subsequently be the case.
Interesting post. However, after doing some net research, I have found that many if not most of these grainy b/w photos that seem to show naked men or boys swimming with clothed females are in fact fakes, with the original mens’ trunks having been edited out and replaced with genitalia. The originals can often be found on the web, especially in a Russian article on the history of swimming in that country available at the site https://studfiles.net/preview/1844727/ from which many of these fakes have been taken. Others of the b/w photos I think are just modern. This is not to say that males did not swim naked in schools in the 1960s and before. In fact we did at my school in South London in the mid-sixties. However, we did not have our pictures taken and there were no women around. There are just a few genuine pictures out there and some of these feature in the Naked Swimming in School videos mentioned above including a few published in Life magazine. These are generally discretely photographed though and don’t show genitalia.
I have found the original for another of these fake CFNM images: the vintage one of a naked man flanked by two women in bathing costumes. In the original (from site http://www.shorpy.com/node/15984?size=_original), there are four figures, all in costumes. The young boy on the left has been cropped from the fake image and the old-fashioned trunks of the other man removed digitally. Faked CFNM images are rife on the internet. As the original post comments, there seems to be a fetish for this type of image.
We were made to swim nude in gym class back in late 70s at my jrhs. In Kansas. The girls didn’t have to. Double standards and kinda perverted looking back at it now.
This is a link to a Tumblr site. https://boysswimnude.tumblr.com/archive I would be pretty sure that most images are faked, certainly of high school competitions, The Life images are genuine though.
My grandmother was on a swim team in the 1950s in Texas, and she said that the boys swam nude and girls wore a swimsuit. However, she also said that there were times that girls swam nude also. She said no one looked at nudity in a perverted way back then. It was considered natural and healthy. She also said boys worked out and ran track nude. She also told me of a time that she went to summer camp nude. It was a mixed summer camp meaning girls and boys. Most likely that wouldn’t happen today, but back then I guess people were more open minded. Go figure.
Jennifer, definitely a different time. Nudity on farms and such was quote commonas well. I inexperienced this back in th 50 and 60s. After hard hot dirty work the men and boys often stripped off and hosed themselves off with a hose and go set under a shade tree to cool and dry off. My mom or other moms plus daughters depending on whose home we at would bring ice water and lemonade to us. No one thought anything of the full nudity of the men and boys. Us boys often went off to the farm ponds to skinnydip, my mom often would come set on the pond bank and watch us swim and play. None of us ever thought a thing of it.
Mind blown! That would be indecent exposure today. That’s crazy! I thought my grandmother was misremembering or something. She also told me that a lot of people from her town didn’t wear clothes often to cut down on expenses of having to buy new clothes as soon as the old ones wore out. She said it was common for her to take a walk on the street, and see a nude woman sitting on a swing on the front porch. Or see naked girls playing in the yard with naked boys. That’s just mind boggling! And this was in the early to mid 50s! Omg!!
So,I just talked to my grandmother again. I asked her about the nudity when she was growing up. Just like before she told me that no one thought anything negative about nudity in those days. She told me of another time that her girlfriends came by to pick her up to go to the lake. She said they drove up in a Chevrolet coupe, and got out of the car wearing nothing but sun hats with bows. She said when they came to the door, her mother answered the door and invited them in, and they were nude. She told me her mother called for her. When she came to the front room she said she was wearing a light blue sun dress and hat. She said she laughed when she saw her girlfriends nude, and took off the sun dress and went to the lake nude with them. She told me of another time that she and a friend of hers had PE class nude. She said both she and her friend left the gymnasium ,and got into her friends car nude and went home. When she got home she said her dad was in the front room listening to the radio. She opened the door and she said her dad asked her how PE class was. I asked her if he minded that she was nude, and she said no, not at all. Wait for it.. HE WAS ALSO NUDE. Lol. That’s just so crazy!! I had no idea people were like that back then!!
I think we’ve (as a society) become more conservative in recent years, much more so than the ‘golden years’ of naturism (post-war) in which a relaxed attitude prevailed more than it does now.
Yes, you very correct, it’s a sad situation to realize that families and people have lost their ability to be comfortable with social and family nudity as a casual way of life.
WOW !! This conversation has stirred many memories that I had taken for granted simply because we lived in a more relaxed and accepting time of what was considered normal and at times necessary as a way of life. Has brought back to mind many stories.
I’m intrigued by the way an historic post has suddenly come to life once more. So much so that I’m hoping to do a new post, linked to this old one, and discuss not only naked swimming at the ‘Y’, but further investigate Jennifer’s understanding of how things were, and research this further. Stay tuned!
Let’s do it right, with specific dates and specific places–right down to the name of the school.
Jennifer: In some parts of the world there is still hope. In my country, Denmark, you are allowed to be nude at any beach since 1976 and in state forests since a couple of years. And in Germany mixed saunas are very common. This also applies to some places in Denmark. So bare with me, Jan, fellow naturist
Thanks Staff, and sassycoupleok! Because I’m so fascinated by this subject, I had to know more about my grandmother’s life in the 50’s. So I called her back again today. I asked her how many boys were in her gym class and how many girls. She said there were about 15 boys and 20 girls. I asked her if they swam nude in the same pool. She said honey, we swam nude side by side with the boys sometimes. I asked her if any of her teachers cared that both the girls and boys were naked? She said no, back then it was common for boys and girls to swim nude in lakes, ponds, creeks or pools. I asked her what year this happened. She said it was 1954 to 1956. My grandmother is in her early 80’s now. Her looks have faded, but in the mid 50’s she had long blonde hair, and was skinny. She was very pretty.
I asked her if she ever did anything while nude that was daring or be considered illegal nowadays. She said everyday after PE class, she never bothered putting on clothes unless it was cold out. If it was warm enough, she stayed nude. She said she wasn’t the only girl who stayed nude. Several girls stayed nude after PE class. She said her friend Dixie would sometimes take her home after class. She said many times she got in the car with her friend nude. On this one occasion Dixie had to have a package of Old Gold cigarettes. She said Dixie drove her Chevrolet coupe to a smoke shop to pick up the cigarettes. She said that they were both nude, and they walked into the shop to pick up some cigarettes. I asked her if anyone said anything to them or complained to them about being nude. She said no, everyone just minded their own business. I asked her if the men in the store stared or made cat calls or anything. She said that there was a guy who whistled, but she said both her and her friend took that as a compliment. I asked her if that was all that happened, and she said yes. I asked her if it was common for people to go the store nude back then or ride around in cars and trucks nude and she said she saw it almost everyday. She said back then no one thought anything of it. It was common to see that in those days, but it never was mentioned in the newspapers or in the news like it would be today. That’s so crazy! I never knew that in the 50’s people were more open minded than they are today!!? Well, that’s all I got for now.
Staff, we think that would be a good idea, this conversation has gotten quite long and spans a year and a half.
Jennifer, your stories are quite interesting for sure, I have several myself but were not as bold as your grandmother’s. That being said my experiences primarily were from the mid 50s to the mid 60s, so things were probably becoming scrutinized by others. Sadly none of what your grandmother did or what I experienced could be experienced today becuse we have become society prudes.
Right. I agree that society has become much more prudish. I really can’t believe how much more open minded people were back then! Omg! I don’t think my grandmother was being bold as much as that was just the way society was back then. She did say she wasn’t the only girl who walked out of the gym building nude. She said several other girls walked out nude and got into a friends car or their mother’s car to go home. It was just what they did. There are still parts of Texas in which public nudity is still legal. The high school she attended is near Dallas, Texas. Nudity is no longer legal there, but it is in Austin, Texss. The old school building and gym where she had classes and swam was torn down in the mid 1980s. I did find a blog that mentioned a woman from California had to do nude P.E. class in the early 50’s. So, it seems there were other schools that made it a requirement for girls to do nude P.E. and nude swimming.
What was the name of the town? What was the name of the school? I need to add them to my list at http://www.tnsprofessorsig.org/nude%20swimming%20in%20school.html.
Love it, a way of life that’s almost forgotten, so sad.
Ranger, Texas. Its near Fort Worth and Dallas, Texas. It was Ranger High school. The high school was torn down in 1979, and the swimming pool was closed and torn down in the mid 1980’s.
How interesting, most of my experiences occurred in and around Shawnee OK and few in Ark with my dads mother. Until blogs like this came along I never really thought much of those expereinces except that I always thought it was sad how prude our society has become.
I would be pretty sure that nothing like this occurred in New Zealand in the modern era aside from nude swimming at certain boys schools and the YMCA. In colonial times there was a degree of freedom for males to go naked in certain situations but restricted to what was called bathing at certain beaches and rivers some within the boundaries of colonial towns and at privately owned swimming pools open to the public. Bathing was segregated and only males could swim naked. In pre colonial times with Maori it was different again.
Paul LeValley, my grandmother said Ranger High School had nude swimming in the 1930’s because her mother( my great
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