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And I would rather have a good friend than the best cockLysis is the Plato dialogue on Friendship. After a preliminary discussion with Lysis about his parents and the things he is and not premitted to do, Menexenus enters into the dialogue and the focus shifts to friendship. Socrates says, I should greatly prefer a real friend to all the gold of Darius, or even to Darius himself: I am such a lover of friends as that. And when I see you and Lysis, at your early age, so easily possessed of his treasure, and so soon, he of you, and you of him, I am amazed and delighted, see that I myself, although I am now advanced in years, am so far from having made a similar acquisitiion, that I do not even know in what way a friend is acquired. With this kind of preamble to the start of the innocent questions you have an idea that the concept of Friendship is in trouble. The moves that Socrates makes through his questioning end up in a stalemate about what is Friendship. The dialogue ends with Socrates saying, O Menexenus and Lysis, how ridiculous that you two boys, and I, and old boy, who would fain be one of you, should imagine ourselves to be friends--that is what the by-standers will to away and say--and as yet we have not been able to discover what is a friend!Besides this last little bit of dialogue being kind of creepy (these first two dialogues that Ive reviewed lately (Im reading through the complete Dialogues of Plato, translated and edited by Benjamin Jowett, in case if youre wondering about the order of them that Im reading), each have this sort of creepy quality of Socrates, as a lecherous old man sitting around a group of half-naked boys and trying to make himself one of the guys), it also raises some thought about why something as simple as friendship shouldnt be able to achieved. If you follow Socrates line of reasoning you sort of arrive at a lite-paradox about friendship, in crude terms it is like this, friendship is good. Only good people have friendships, good people by the definition of good have no need of friends. There is more subtlety here, but that is the basic argument using giant leaps and bounds. To me this means one of three things. Either Lysis is a very cynical dialogue about friendship, which might be the case if you take into consideration the quote I took from the start of the dialogue; why doesnt Socrates have any friends? Or, the dialogue is pointing towards Friendship being beyond the scope of reason, that there is say a sublime aspect to it (which is also possible, if one looks at the digression towards the end of the dialogue where first causes are invoked, and if you re-define friendship away from the more utilitarian definition that Socrates seems to attribute to it, and think of Friendship as a thing-for-itself and not reducible to something else, in which case much of the arguments prior to this point in the dialogue collapse under the mistaken definitions the argument had been founded on). Or, third, that the dialogue isnt about friendship at all, but rather it is an attack on Sophistry and an attempt to show that their are limits (misuses?) to Reason.Or maybe its a combination of all these things?In the first part of the dialogue, the Lysis section, Socrates starts by showing Lysis that there are problems with the idea that his parents love him since they wont let him do certain tasks that a slave is allowed to do, or that they put slaves in a position to teach and scold him, so does that mean they value the slave more than their own son? These questions are innocent sounding, but they are also showing how someone skilled with some logical questions can sow discord where there shouldnt be any present. Of course, commonsense dictates, his parents dont value the slaves more than their own beloved son, but you can see how Socrates could put doubts that arent easily dispelled into the youngsters mind through reason. Reading this section made me try to remember if there were actual examples given in the Trial and Death dialogues for exactly how Socrates was corrupting the youth of Athens. In this case, Socrates doesnt act irresponsibly and brings Lysis to a satisfactory answer for why his parents would act the way they do and yet still love him, but looking at the way the second part of Lysis ends you can wonder about situations where logic is deployed to destroy things and all that is left is some ambiguous rumble and a wise old man standing in the midst of it with a goofy grin and a shrug. And isnt this in a way what the Sophists did? They taught people who to reason well in order to win arguments. But every undergraduate in Philosophy quickly learns that logic is fairly easily deployed to destroy just about anything you want to knock down (not that the questions you use to knock something down are necessarily correct ones to ask, but they can be used as the right one to smash holes in things), but replacing what youve demolished with something constructive that isnt worse than what youve just gotten rid of isnt exactly an easy task. Its sort of just a more mature way of playing this favorite game of kids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5af8wm...Im going to wrap up this mini-review / some thoughts here. I dont feel like Ive done justice to anything I wrote here, but I guess this will just serve as some notes for this dialogue.
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